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  • Try This ['I AM' vs. 'I am']
    • Donnie Cruz (Login Donnie.Cruz)
      ConcernedMembersMadison
      Posted Jan 1, 2017 2:43 AM

      Dave,

      (1) There's only ONE (not ONES): God is the only one who said it. The KJV renders Exodus 3:14 -- "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM [GOD] hath sent me [Moses] unto you."

      (2) The expression "I am" [no caps], with the same Greek text, was said by:

      ------ Paul in Acts 26:28,29 [KJV] -- "Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds." But that "I am" did not make Paul into God.

      ------ The man born blind that Jesus healed in John 9:8,9 [KJV] -- "The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged? Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he." But that "I am he" did not make the healed blind man into God.

      ------ Jesus in John 8:58 [KJV] -- "Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.". Trinitarians would like to think so, but that "I am" [no caps] did not make Jesus into God. This will be explained further below.

      (3) Dave, this is the correct question ... in singular form. Exodus 3:14 [KJV] is explained in (1) above -- only GOD said it.

      John 8:58 must be taken in context. God, Whom Jesus called "my Father" is in the conversation. (In fact, the New Testament makes reference to "my Father" more than 50 times.) This is important because of the relationship between: (1) the only true God the Father and (2) His Son Jesus whom He sent -- and note the SENDER (God) and the SENDEE (Jesus the Messiah). [Sadly, there are posters who confuse God the Father and/with His Son Jesus because of the passage: "I and my Father are one" ... these folks think that they are one and the same and that they are interchangeable.]

      There are many other occurrences of the phrase "I am" in the New Testament. The implication is that "I am" is equivalent to "I am he" or "I am the one."

      Speaking of context, please note John 8:41,42 [KJV] -- "Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me."

      Speaking of context (and Ken has already mentioned this), please note John 8:56 [KJV] -- "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." This verse is speaking of the coming of the Messiah. In John 8:58, Jesus was saying "I am [the Messiah sent by God the Father]." It was a prophecy of the Messiah which Abraham knew about and saw it coming. The Messiah came from God -- not God coming from God.

      CONTEXT ... CONTEXT ... CONTEXT. The coming Messiah was prophesied and Abraham knew about it. The coming Messiah was sent by the only true God the Father: "I proceeded forth and came from God" (John 8:42, KJV). The Jews picked up stones to kill Jesus, not because he was claiming to be God, but because they understood he was claiming to be the Messiah. "But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God" (Matt. 26:63, KJV).
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