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  • Re: The Father is God; Jesus is the Son of God
    • Donnie Cruz (Login Donnie.Cruz)
      Posted Jan 2, 2017 12:34 AM


      Hebrews 1:8 must be read in CONTEXT of the entire chapter. Acknowledge, first, that there are two primary subjects in this chapter:

      1. God the Father spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets (v. 1).
      2. The Son of God by whom God the Father has spoken in these last days (v. 2).
      3. God the Father said: "Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool (v.13).
      4. The Son of God is sitting down on the right hand of God the Father (v. 3).
      5. God the Father said: "Thou are my Son; I have begotten thee" (v. 5).
      6. God the Father said: "I will be to him a Father; he shall be to me a Son" (v.5).
      7. Make no mistake: God the Father is NOT the Son of God; vice versa.
      8. God the Father is the only one true God (declared in several passages in the Bible).

      [8] But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
      [9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

      You are taking verse 8 out of context. You are also making the Scripture conform to your predisposed belief in the Trinity, rather than letting the Scripture prove that such a doctrine is man-concocted:

      1. The exlamation "O" in "O God" is not in the original NT Greek text. Trinitarian translators included it for the reason of being able to address "the Son of God" as "O God." Otherwise, without regard for English grammar, it would simply say: "Thy throne, god, is for ever and ever."

      2. The English language makes a clear distinction between "God" and "god"' but...

      3. The biblical languages cannot make the distinction between "GOD" and "god." The word may refer to God the Father or to people with God's authority on earth and important people such as kings and rulers.

      4. We have already listed references above that clearly indicate that Christ is seen to be lesser than God the Father.

      5. Those references match another passage when Jesus said, "I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28).

      6. The context must determine whether Christ is being referred to as the Supreme Being or just a man with great authority. We read that Christ, called “God,” himself has a “God.” The very next verse, Hebrews 1:9, says, “therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” Thus, Christ cannot be the supreme God, because the supreme God does not have a God. Furthermore, Christ’s God “set” him above others and “anointed” him. This makes it abundantly clear that Christ is rather a man with great authority under another God.

      7. It is true that Christ has a God. "Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..." (II Cor. 1:3).

      8. It is true that Christ has a God. "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory..." (Eph. 1:17).

      9. The entire chapter is about the kingdom of Christ, His throne, of which he is the ruler or king (god). Moreover, God the Father is essentially stating to Christ: "I am God -- thy [your] God"; see verse 9.

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