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  • Re: God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son
    • Kenneth Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      Posted Feb 16, 2017 5:20 PM

      Very interesting! This forced me to look at a few passages

      Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein,
      .....seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth,
      .....dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
      Acts 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, though he needed any thing,
      .....seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

      That seems to eleminate HOUSES or anything we do with our hands AS WORSHIP. Worship recognizes that God is the SOURCE and that is done IN THE SPIRIT or Mind.

      Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men
      .....for to dwell on all the FACE of the earth,
      .....and hath determined the times before appointed,
      .....and the bounds of their habitation;
      Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord,
      ..... if haply they might feel after him, and find him,
      .....though he be not far from every one of us:
      Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
      Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God,
      .....we ought not to think that the Godhead LIKE unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

      The trinity is an IMAGE of three persons always pictured as about the size as Jesus. That is a pretty low view of God Who INHABITS eternity and fills all things.

      Godhead, contrary to the scholars among us, is not a god with three heads or "three centers of consciousness."

      g2304. theios, thi´-os; from 2316; godlike (neuter as noun, divinity): — divine, godhead.

      Jesus as the Son of God was Godlike and connnected to THE Divinity.

      g2316 heos, theh´-os; of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very: — x exceeding, God, god(-ly, -ward).

      Like Paul, Enoch and others spoke of the seventh or tenth heaven. The thinkers can mathematically show that there are ten dimensions along with Time making eleven. If God lives IN Us and we live IN the Father-Son (John 14) then we should not think of God being INSIDE of the Man Jesus. The Spirit or "messenger" of God was represented as a dove or Rock Pigeon which carries messages. That Dove never went INSIDE of Jesus or anyone.

      I would worry a lot if I thought that Jesus WAS God and that He was crucified because He was WEAK.

      2Cor. 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking IN me,
      .....which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.
      2Cor. 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness,
      .....yet he liveth by the power of God.
      For we also are weak IN him,
      .....but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
      2Cor. 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be IN THE FAITH; prove your own selves.
      .....Know ye not your own selves, that Jesus Christ is IN you, except ye be reprobates?
      2Cor. 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

      1John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; FOR GOD IS LOVE
      1John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us,
      .....because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world,
      .....that we might live through him.
      1John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us,
      .....and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
      1John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
      1John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another,
      .....God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

      God IS LOVE does not mean that LOVE is one of the god persons. So, grasping that worship IS IN THE PLACE of the Spirit devoted to THE TRUTH makes one a Child of God. That is the OPPOSITE of those who believe and want to be paid to PRODUCE a worship service for you in A HOUSE as they perform acts of worship with THEIR HANDS: pointing, raising, clapping or playing machines.
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