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  • Difference in spelling of God's proper Name
    • William (no login)
      Posted Apr 9, 2017 5:47 PM

      We do not know exactly how God vocalized, or spoke, his name to Moses. You can actually Google this and find several reasonable articles, all of which contain at least some speculation. However, God did SPEAK, or sound, his name to Moses so it is reasonable for us to attach some sound to his name as well. I happen to agree with those who say that withholding the spoken sound of God's name due to reverence and holiness approaches superstition, but you decide for yourself.

      But as to your question, Jehovah is merely one way in which we as 21st Century English speakers vocalize the name of God as represented by the four letters YHWH. The absolute word is the same. The word "Jehovah" was not invented by John Wycliffe, but he is the one who placed it into English use. I am not certain that the actual source of the vowels added to YHWH (a and o) is correct, as most articles will indicate. At the time Wycliffe was doing his translation he was in Germany and also dealing with the sounds of letters from Latin, Greek, and Semitic languages. For instance, in German the word for "yes" is "ja", pronounced "ya." "W" is pronounced like a "v", to know the difference in "I" and "J" may require context. For instance, "Jonathan" is pronounced "Yonathan" in Germanic and Semitic languages. We say "jail", but if you ever go to Williamsburg, VA, you may see the "gaol", pronounced exactly the same.

      Paraphrased, the introduction of the NASB says that there is no certain vocalization of "YHWH," and the four letters (the tetragrammaton) have little significance to English readers, and "Jehovah" is now seen as something of a corruption. So the NASB has replaced "YHWH" with "Lord" (capitalized) with a side note to indicate it is the Tetragrammaton.

      All in all, not something very important to most, but surely some on this site will disagree and discussion will commence.

      William, Guillaume, Liam, Wilhelm. I'm all the same guy.
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