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  • Re: Jesus Is God, but NOT the Father
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      Posted May 20, 2017 5:02 PM

      John 10:11 I am the good shepherd:
      .....the good shepherd giveth HIS life for the sheep.
      John 10:12 But he that is an HIRELING, and not the shepherd,
      .....whose own the sheep are not,
      .....seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth:
      ..... and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

      Christ gifted APT ELDERS who by definition will "Teach that which has been taught" in an assembly defined as a School of the Word of Christ. In a WORLD ORDER group he is not APT and therefore HIRES someone to be CEO. This is MARKED as no longer a Church or Ekklesia of Christ and as Rubel Shelly says THE leader must have CHARISMA. Of course, he does not and cannot know that JESUS is the name of God's GRACE which teaches us to REJECT what the new GIG

      GIG is slang for a live musical performance. Originally coined in the 1920s by jazz musicians, the term, short for the word "engagement", now refers to any aspect of performing such as assisting with performance and attending musical performance. Jazz, like Scribes and Pharisees, is "made up on the spot" and creates sexual arousal as does any rhythmic noise."

      A hireling is a mercinary who does anything for reward or paid: opposite GRACE. A hireling is always paid to express the opinions of a group. A Jubeo is commanded to teach or not teach certain things. That is why trying to dialog with a preachers is met with silent contempt or quickly ends when challenged by the Scriptures. It is not possible to be a hireling and teach that which has been taught. He is an eye-server according to the Greek

      lukos of treacherous or unnatural love, Hymn or humenaioi, of an impossibility,
      VI. nickname of paiderastai, . Pl.Phdr. 241d.

      Aesch. PB 552 And the difference in the song stole into my thought [555] —this song and that, which, about your bridal bed and bath, I raised to grace your marriage, when you wooed with gifts [560] and won my sister Hesione to be your wedded wife.

      Melody ALWAYS steals your thoughts. He goes on to repeat what God said: "You sacrifice the lamb to me but YOU eat the flesh."

      paiderastai A. lover of boys, mostly in bad sense, Aristoph. Ach. 265 X.An.7.4.7, The god of generation worshipped in the form of a Phallus or Hermes (KAIROS)

      Xen. Anab. 7.4.8 Episthenes' turn of mind, how he had once assembled a battalion with an eye to nothing else save the question whether a man was handsome, and that with this battalion he proved himself a brave man.

      This hymen hymn speaks of the real impossibility wolf UNITING with the Lamb because, where worship teams have slipped in the Lambs flee.

      Plat. Phaedrus 241d “Just as the wolf loves the lamb, so the lover adores his beloved.” There it is, Phaedrus! Do not listen to me any longer; let my speech end here.

      Greek: harpazo snatch away, carry off snatch away, carry off to be a robber seize, overpower, overmaster, with his tongue opportunity of attacking, S.Aj.2; “ha. ton kairon” 6. captivate, ravish, LXXJu.16.9, Plu. Ant.28.

      He RAPIO or Rapes to seize and carry off, to snatch, tear, drag, draw, or hurry away “Nasonis carmina rapti,” i. e. torn from his home, borne far away, To carry off by force; to seize, rob, ravish; to plunder, ravage, lay waste, take by assault, carry by force
      i, n., the plunder, that which is stolen: “rapto vivere,” to live by robbery,

      Rapture or Rape with a CARMEN [Melody: a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental, Apollinem) APOLLON concordant carmina nervis “citharae With allusion to playing on the cithara the sound of waves, “Carminibus Circe socios mutavit Ulixi,

      Circē "CHURCH" the Sacred Whore in the area of Patmos and referenced as the "Babylon mother of Harlots" in Revelation 17 who practiced Magical Poisoning induced with SONGS: Circe or Kirke is the daughter and uses magical poisoning. Daughter of the Son

      Socios: she was in league with Jupiter or Saturn whose chaldee number is 666 and worshipped by the Jews. She mutated Odysseus's men but He was given a drug, moly, to resist her songs and drugs.

      They receive their Second Incarnation as "musical worship teams" or women doing sex talk at Pepperdine or any of the once-Christian schools.

      This was the THEME of Pepperdine's Lectures this week. Their Pattern the Song of Solomon is this Hieros Gamos or worship of the Babylon Mother of Harlots (again in Revelation 17). Even when God many times promises BURNING they will never listen to warnings because in the words of Jude about the "sacred marriage" at Mount Sinai with sexual and homosexual rising up AGAINST GOD that they are FOREORDAINED.

      When Madison was attacked by A Musical Worship Team most of the flock scattered because they felt. if not understood, that they were being seduced into what the Vineyard or Wineskins promoted as a sexual-like climax with God.

      The Hireling if challenged by APT elders will flee to the next sheep fold after as many have noted in this forum SCATTERED the flock. My last close to 300 flock had about 200 flee.

      John 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
      John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and KNOW my sheep, and am KNOWN of mine.
      John 10:15 As the Father KNOWETH me, even so KNOW I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
      John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

      Obviously the Son is not the Father nor a "fellow God." Here is the MARK of a Hireling Shepherd who scatters and moves on:

      John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me,
      BECAUSE I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
      John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.
      .....I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
      .....This commandment have I received of my Father.

      John 10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
      John 10:20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
      John 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

      John 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
      John 10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch [Jesus never entered a Holy Place].

      John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

      John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not:
      .....the WORKS that I do in MY FATHER'S NAME
      .....they bear WITNESS of me.

      They cannot honestly think that Jesus made Himself the Father Just before he obeyed the Father's Commands.

      The father and son are ONE in their testimony which is THE POINT of the discord.

      God was the Logos or PLAN or REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE.
      The ONE GOD breathed (spirit) without METRON which most often means without METER as the mark of the Scribes and Pharisees in their howling CANTILLATION but never metrical in a tuneful sense.
      As the ANTITHESIS to the Pagans Paul commanded that the TEXT (only) be SPOKEN whichi is the oppposite of OODE, poetry or music.

      People OF the World marked by selling their own words CANNOT Grasp that Jesus came for Lost Sheep or Lost Spirits who find themselves in an evil and hostile World, Kosmos, Ecumenical or the World Order of the Devil and His angels of light. Jesus MADE the world in the sense that He opened a TINY GATE for anyone but He said that He does not pray for the ECUMENICAL who are in a hostile frenzy to expel the faithful and collectivize the goats (cappellas). He said that God HIDES from the wise or sophists: self-authoring preachers for sale, singers or instrument players. This MUSIC has the true meaning as to Make the Lambs Dumb before the slaughter. Lucky for the lambs, at places like Madison the lamb escape when they see the goats or CAPPELLAS molesting them.

      Of those the PROGRESSIVES use as PATTERN as the Jewish-Christian Covenant with Death and Hell Jesus tells them WHY they had the Word or Regulative Principle:

      John 10:26 But ye believe not, BECAUSE ye are NOT of my sheep, as I said unto you.
      John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
      John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
      .....neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

      John 10:29 My FATHER, which gave them ME, is greater than all;
      ..... and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
      John 10:30 I and my Father are one

      The Father is greater than the son: the father and son cannot be one or the SAME. All of the context shows that Jesus must be accepted as the Christ because He speaks only what they thought of as Jehovah commanded Him to speak

      And or the Greek KAI used to distinguish the I from his FATHER cannot prove that "I Am my Father" but I and my FATHER are united because I have no input in the WORD.

      The CONTEXT proves that Jesus was doing EXACTLY what the "One God the Father" breathed (spirit) into Him and which He ARTICULATED. Words are w.o.r.d.s or that which one SPEAKS. There was no difference between the Words of the Father and the SPEAKING of His Son. They are one: not the ONE PERSON.

      The Son is not the father because He is the Son: the Father shows what the Son does not know. When God shows Jesus then He can say that He speaks what He has SEEN with His father. However, this is not from all eternity.

      John 8:38 I SPEAK that which I have seen with my Father: and ye DO that which ye have seen with your father.

      The sons of the Devil DO: that is the "poetry word" including anything you make or do or compose or speak ON YOUR OWN.

      of Poets, compose, write, epos or hymns generally, that which is uttered in words, speech, tale, A.“dithuramba kōmōdian, tragōdian“palinōdian” of sacrifices, festivals, etc., celebrate, observe the Sabbath

      The Father loved the Son and cannot BE the Son.

      The Father Gave Jesus the works to do. Therefore, Jesus is not the Father.

      The Father SENT Jesus and therefore the SENT is not the SENDER.

      John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son,
      .....and SHEWED him all things that himself DOETH:
      .....and HE will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
      John 5:36 But I have WITNESS witness GREATER than that of John:
      .....for the works which the Father hath GIVEN ME
      .....the same works that I do,
      .....BEAR WITNESS of me, that the Father hath SENT ME

      Jesus said that the sons of the DEVIL can be seen with those with spiritual eyes and ears: They SPEAK ON THEIR OWN. This is the authoriity or Authentia outlawed for females because no straight, spiritual male would ever hire out their antics which Paul called MADNESS claiming to "lead you into the presence of God.

      John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you,
      .....I go away, and come again unto you.
      ..... If ye loved me, ye would rejoice,
      .....because I said, I go unto the Father:
      .....for my Father is greater than I.

      Jesus received the PROMISE or the COMMISSION or ASSIGNMENT as The Holy Spirit or MIND OF GOD who would guide the Apostles into all truth..

      Jesus the POURED OUT what they could see (firey tongues) and hear (BREATH NOT a person.]

      The NAME of the Holy Spirit Comforter is "Jesus Christ the Righteous." He lives in the SPIRIT World but he is stil the KING but He will be on the throne only until He comes again. He will return the THRONE to the FATHER. He is the ONLY Teacher and the Great Commission is the CENI.

      The Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy for saying that He MAKETH THYSELF GOD.
      That would be true IF Jesus had ever said that he WAS God

      John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not;
      .....but for blasphemy; and because that thou,
      .....being a man, makest thyself God.

      Jesus did the works of the Father because the Father gave Him the power. Jesus always claimed to have done everything by the authority and power of the Father. Therefore, the Jews prove that they had no interest in understanding Jesus who threatened their ungodly religious institution.

      There is one Lord [YHWH] the only true GOD [Elohim]. Jesus said that "gods" were those to whom God revealed His mysteries because they are sons of God. Jesus was filled with theotes or godhead as Divine NATURE and those who are baptized into or clothed with Jesus share in that Divine Nature. I know of no theologian who does not eat and thrive by saying that Godhead means that God has three heads or in the words of LU and John Mark Hicks "three centers of consciousness" who serve, in the words of H. Leo Boles as a very friendly COMMITTEE.

      Therefore, Jesus told the clergy then and now that they could not grasp the mysteries because:

      John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world,
      .....Thou BLASPHEMEST;
      .....because I said, I am the SON OF GOD
      John 10:37 If I do not the WORKS of my Father, believe me not.

      As Son of God Jesus was ONE with Him in the "united" sense that the Son then and now will never do anything to TRAFFIC but will speak what they have heard from Jesus Who heard from the Father and will be hated and despised and never get on the workshops of evil.
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