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  • Re: Trust the Scripture!!!
    • Donnie (Login Donnie.Cruz)
      Posted May 29, 2017 4:59 PM

      Dave: All three passages in KJV state that the worlds, that includes earth, was made BY Jesus.


      Response: Nope. Jesus, the Son of God, did not create the worlds. All "three passages in KJV" that Dave has misunderstood:

      1. Hebrews 1:2 -- God has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son; God has appointed his Son heir of all things; by his Son also God made the world.

      -------------- God (NOT His Son) created the worlds.-------------------------

      2. Genesis 1:1 -- In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

      -------------- God (NOT His Son) created the heaven and the earth.-------

      3. John 1:10 -- He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

      All three passages have references to God the Father as THE CREATOR.

      You must read and study those passages very carefully and with an open mind: not influenced by your preconceived notion from the INVENTED Trinity dogma.

      The third passage (John 1:10) must be taken in context beginning with verse 6:

      • [6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
      • [7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
      • [8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
      • [9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
      • [10] He [God] was in the world, and the world was made by him [God], and the world knew him [God] not.

      In that section of the chapter, John was not the light. God was THE LIGHT. God was THAT LIGHT. God was THE TRUE LIGHT. God as THE LIGHT was in the world, and the world was made by God, and the world knew God not.

      Dave: context, context, context!!! Do not depend on Trinitarians when they automatically make assumptions with the pronouns to agree with their dogmatic agenda.

      Dave: Isaiah 9 calls Jesus the "Everlasting Father." If Jesus is given ALL, not some, authority in Heaven and Earth, then Who is in above all? God or Jesus?

      Jesus = God.

      Not a man-made belief. It is straight from the Word. Please don't drink Donnie's kool-aid.


      Response: Again: context, context, context and unbiased translation of Isaiah 9. (We've discussed this passage numerous times before, but you've paid no attention to the context in the whole chapter.)

      Please read the context very slowly: The chapter deals with the prophesied coming of the Messiah whom God the Father will send to earth -- God the Father is not sending Himself as the Messiah: you know that, Dave, right? The coming Messiah is to establish his kingdom (known as the church, Matt. 16:18-19; Acts 1;2). He will be the king of his kingdom. (Do not expect God the Father to sit upon the throne of David. Neither should we expect God the Father to be "the Prince of Peace.") In essence, he is the originator ("father") of that kingdom. The Messiah's kingship is an age or an era: an everlasting age even at the time when the kingdom is delivered to God the Father (I Cor. 15:34).

      Within the context above, Isaiah 9:6 (proper and unbiased translation) should render:

      For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty Ruler [God], Father [Originator] of the [Everlasting] Age, Prince of Peace.

      CONTEXT ... CONTEXT ... CONTEXT!!! And unbiased/proper translation!!!
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