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  • The Stark Warlick Debate as TYPICAL of all instrumental SECTARIANS.
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      ConcernedMembersMadison
      Posted Jun 3, 2017 7:36 PM

      There two classes of clergy out there who sow all of the discord:

      The Conservative Preachers
      and
      The Anti-Conservative preachers.

      The folly happens when--whatever the level of education--preachers come away with a stack of sermon outlines and a creed.
      Because they intend to SELL their own learning Paul calls that corrupting the Word or prostitution, they have TURF or grazing grounds to protect. God told those before the curse of the law of moses how to conduct synagogue or ekklesia as inclusively and exclusively a School of the Word.

      The assembly defined in Scripture first EXCLUDES the wise from whom God hides and the WORLD for whom Jesus does not pray. That is carried out by the words READ or SPEAK that which is written for our learning. The role of Jesus was to seek and send evangelists out to IDENTIFY by he "good news" and the lost spirits would be marked by wanting to be BAPTIZED. That is mystery and the Wise, Sophists meaning speakers, singers or instrument players need not apply.

      Going beyond READING or SPEAKING that which is written for our LEARNING was the Driving Purpose of the Campbells but soon the merchant class invaded as they always will when you do not have APT elders.
      That which the Love or Grace centered hate in others is always AMPLIFIED when they decide to organize their own little serfdom or "plantation." They, in fact, want you to pay them to fix what they broke.

      The EX-CHURCHERS have the disease of the Muddy Stream Media and ENGAGE IN that which they curse in anyone who may have upset their little ego. There is nothing tokenized by the institution which excuses each person from teaching THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT. The almost-singular DOGMA is defined from Genesis to Revelation as the Mark of the Beast: The beast is defined as A new style of music or Satyric (Pan, Cappella) Drama which they and any literate person knows intends to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

      http://www.piney.com/Stark.Warlick.Debate.God.Authorizes.Instruments.Music.html

      Stark In the Stark Warlick Debate, thought of worship as the emotion of the soul and that it might "produce singing, shouting, praising, leaping, dancing, hand clapping, or thanksgiving and such should not be suppressed by man made rules." [repeated by David Young]

      Worship is something that happens IN THE SPIRIT or MIND. He-they cannot grasp that God never ordained a Day of Worship especially so that professionals can worship IN THE FLESH as body worship which carries a nasty image. Sabbath means REST

      -Sabba^t-ismos , ho,
      A.a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Hebr.4.9, cf. Plu.2.166a (codd., baptismous Bentley).

      --skholas-tērion , to,
      A. place for passing leisurein, Plu.Luc.42, Moschio ap.Ath.5.207e.

      -skholē , hē, A.leisure, rest, ease, Pi.N.10.46, Hdt.3.134, etc.; opp. askholia, Arist.Pol.1334a15, etc.; skholēn agein to be at leisure, enjoy ease, keep quiet Hdt. l.c., E.Med.1238, Th.5.29; epi tini for a thing, Pl.Ap.36d; “peri ti”
      II. that in which leisure is employed, ou kamnō skholē I am not weary of talk, Id.Ion 276; esp. learned discussion, disputation, lecture, Pl.Lg.820c (pl.),
      2. a group to whom lectures were given, school, Arist.Pol.1313b3, Phld.Ind.Sto.10, D.H.Isoc.1, Dem.44, Plu.Per.35, Alex.7, etc.; s. ekhein to keep a school, Arr.Epict. 3.21.11; skholēs hēgeisthai to be master of it

      These commands of men are the creed of their division of God's people. Like Paul's '"man of sin," they have taken their place in the temple of God and assume to speak as God. God put it into his sanctuary by command [FALSE]; and if he has not taken it out, it remains there, unless some one claiming superior authority to God shall as God put it out of the temple of God. That character Paul calls "the man of sin who opposseth and exalteth himself above all that is called God: The Doom of such is HELL. I need no authority for using it; for where there is no law, there is no transgression. [p.15]

      Stark p. 16 If I do not play, is it any of my business if another does? Can I not hymn my praise, though another acts unlawfully If I stand there and am singing one here is playing a harp, does that interfere with my worship of Go? Not if I am worshiping as I should. What have they to do with my worship of god?

      Stark p. 16 The whole thing comes from a devilish, domineering spirit which, instead of worshiping God, has taken God's seat in judgment to control the praise others might bring It is well enough to teach them: but "rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft and stubborness is as iniquity and idolatry." (1 Sam. 15:23)

      Nothing but the grace of God can bring such a man to repentance. If taken as he is to the "city of gold," he would surely raise hell in heaven and make all "know and feel what it is to be there."

      Stark: [p. 18] Shall Alexander Campbell... say to the sweet singer or the wonderful musician: "Keep still and let expressive silence muse his praise?" Shame on such dogmatism, when God has given us such varied talent. Who put the twelfth commandment into God's law, saying: "Thou shalt not have an instrument of music in the congregaton of the saints?" David [Lipscomb], the destructive critic, when like the "man of sin," he sits in the temple of God, says: "Thou shalt not." That is the cornerstone of his departure--the foundation of his schism. Their church is built upon it, and a few old fogies have made it a test of fellowship. God will shake their thounder out of them and put some lightning into them one of these days.


      Lipscomb never said that: If they want to sow discord and steal your group so they can VIOLATE numerous demands to SPEAK which is the opposite of SING. Lipscomb just said that you cannot legislate and force me to see you ignoring that God is still the GOD OF BURNING for those who do not come into His presence with reverence and Godly fear.

      Stark thought that the Prophets were part of the Law of Moses: he had never read the prophets which repudiate the Jews's Covenant with Death and hell which was a CARNAL system to which God had abandoned them BECAUSE of instrumental-trinitarian-perverted idolatry.

      See what I mean? The fellow who craps on your floor blames you for the stink. Adam knew how to do that.

      "Conservatives" can be just as brutal because they are all taught, convinced and teach that under the Law God's pattern was to "woship with instrumental music" and they will never repent.

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