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  • Jesus didn't exist before the Prophecy or the Foreordanation
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      Posted Jun 23, 2017 12:17 AM

      1Pet. 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

      1Pet. 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

      1Pet. 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

      1Pet. 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

      When everything concerning Jesus Christ was PROPHECIED that does not mean that
      Jesus existed in fact before He existed in prophecy and foreordination.

      1Pet. 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently,
      .....who prophesied of the grace that SHOULD COME unto you:

      NOTHING under the Law of Moses has any connection to GRACE and TRUTH which was brought by Christ.

      John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

      1Pet. 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
      .....the Spirit OF Christ which was in them did signify,
      .....when IT testified BEFOREHAND the sufferings of Christ,
      .....and the glory that should FOLLOW.

      1Pet. 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves,
      .....but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you them that have PREACHED the gospel unto you
      .....with the Holy Ghost [IT]
      .....sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

      The Word is SPIRIT or the BREATH of God in the prophets or Jesus because IT is what one preaches or SPEAKS. It is not possible to PREACH the WORD or Logos by anything but "that which is written for our LEARNING. Again, don't get fooled by people who preach anything from the Law of Moses or the Laws of the Monarchy.

      1Pet. 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

      1Pet. 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

      1Pet. 1:20 Who verily was FORORDAINED before the foundation of the world,
      .....but was MANIFEST in these last times for you,

      1Pet. 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

      1Pet. 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your SOULS in obeying
      .....the TRUTH through the SPIRIT unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

      A purified soul is A purified or holy spirit. That never comes by believing but by OBEDIENCE.

      The Spirit IS the Spirit OF Truth.

      1Pet. 1:23 Being BORN [life] again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, the WORD of God, WHICH liveth and abideth for ever.

      Jesus delivered the WORD but the WORD is the Mind of God and it does not go outof date.

      1Pet. 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

      1Pet. 1:25 But the WORD of the Lord endureth for ever.
      .....And this is the WORD which by the GOSPEL is preached unto you.

      1:12 PREACHED the Gospel with the HOLY GHOST.
      1:25 PREACHED the WORD by the GOSPEL

      John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth;
      .....the flesh profiteth nothing:
      .....the WORD that I speak unto you,
      .....they are SPIRIT, and they are life.

      Jesus as Son, like the Prophets SPOKE what He HEARD from the FATHER. God puts His Mind or Spirit into the Mind of Jesus and this method of INTERCHANGE is called Spirit or Breath, compared to WIND, conveys information without being another god person.

      When people hear VOICES don't drink their KoolAid because God HAS spoken and left for our memory more than anyone can ever comprehend or need for making songs or sermons.

      Anyone, says Jesus, who speaks on their own are Sons of The Devil.

      Is. 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
      Is. 8:17 And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.
      Is. 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
      Is. 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
      Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is NO LIGHT in them.

      Is. 8:21 And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.
      Is. 8:22 And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.
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