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  • Re: Sabbath and worship
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      ConcernedMembersMadison
      Posted Jul 23, 2017 6:53 PM

      We can validate the universal history of the Bible about music because we have exact dates when various parts were imposed and caused discord. In the same way we can validate the Scriptures outlawing "rhetoric, singing or instruments" by the very way people understood the Word or Logos. We know when and why making sermons was introduced and it was not in Scripture. Certain trained speakers discovered that people would make them rich and famous by telling Bible stories according to their imagination.

      The church in Troas did not meet at 9 in the morning: most would work until dark. Jesus needed to let Paul see Him and hear His voice to qualify Him for teaching. Jesus as Spirit promised to appear to Paul when needed. Even so, the emphasis is not on preaching as making up sermons refusing to let Jesus speak but He taught and then DIALOGED:

      "DIALEGOMAI primarily denotes to ponder, resolve in one's mind; then, to converse, dispute, discuss, discourse with; most frequently, to reason or dispute with." In Acts 20:7 and 9 "the A.V. (KJV) translates it 'preached,' this the R.V. corrects to 'discoursed,' lit., 'dialogued,' i.e. not by way of a sermon, but by a discourse of a more conversational character." (Vine, p. 319).

      "The latter part of the fourth and the first half of the fifth centuries was above all others an age of great preachers in the ancient church...In form it was often highly rhetorical, and the hearers manifested their approval by applause. Yet, while this preacher was probably never excelled, preaching was by no means general, and in many country districts, or even considerable cities, few sermons were to be heard." (Walker, Williston, Hist of Ch. Ch., Charles Scribner's Sons, 1918 p. 167-168)

      "The bombastic rhetoric which had ruled in the Roman world since the death of Cicero was now introduced into the Christian pulpit, and the congregation burst forth in applause extravagant enough for a welcome to a chief returning from the conquest of a new province." (John Fletcher Hurst, History of the Christian Church, vol. I., p. 357). "With the victory of Christianity and the development of the service came a soaring of the sermon. Preaching became more frequent, being employed even during the week and during fast seasons in some places daily.

      As the Church during that period assimilated more and more Greco-Roman culture, the sermon developed para passu. The most noted Christian preachers had not seldom been educated in the rhetorical schools of the heathen, and employed in their sermons the rule of rhetoric and the artistic effects taught there, and polish became almost an end, often giving more brilliancy than warmth. The hearers came to look for esthetic satisfaction rather than for edification, leaving after the sermon and before the Eucharist." (The New Schaff-Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Preaching, p. 150, Period 300-450 A. D.). "In the East the sermon was often imaginative, poetic, even bombastic and wordy; in the West the rhetoric was more sober, and the sermon practical, simple, and clear." (The New Schaff-Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Preaching, p. 150).


      There are many homilies written by true Bible Scholars and read in public. Some are still valuable. Most of my early experience was by sober-minded people teaching the Bible fully. Many were topical (now despised) but just as valid.

      When we speak of the great apostasy we slip past "the law of giving" neither condoned by the Bible nor most early scholars. As well, we slip by fabricating sermons by using a verse or two while spending all of the time talking about their own experiences or interpreting based on OUR CHANGED CULTURE.

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