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  • Re: Nontrinitarianism
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      Posted Jul 30, 2017 4:43 PM

      I have read a bunch of denominational statements and I don't believe that they are as extreme as that promoted by LU and the Gospel Advocate Sunday School literature. I was in a class using their literature and thought that it was safe to question the dogma: I found out in a sudden and even threatening voice that I was blaspheming. They were worshuping God the further, Jesus the Son and the Huly spurt in a song. One of my friends wrote s short story about the Battle between the Unums and Trads.

      Glenn Colley as Part of the Gospel Broadcasting Network says that:

      Father is God
      Jesus is God
      Holy Spirit is God

      To his credit, he is one of two willing to challenge me on all of the list of proof texts which comes stapled to all of the Preacher's License.

      This is radical since other than an swarm of Forumites, the formula is Father, Son and Spirit: that is indeed a TRIAS because Historic Scholarship and the early creeds explain that:

      Father is the author or originator of Divine Thought
      Father BREATHES which is never a Spirit Person.
      Son receives the breath-spirit WITHOUT METRON which is logically without METER.
      The Son SPEAKS the Word, Logos or Regulative Principle and never SINGS it or commands singing. Because He is our only TEACHER and we are DISCIPLES claiming SINGING as a method of delivery would accuse Jesus with being more ignorant or tolerant than a Lecturer in Physics.

      As far as I know no one has ever named their Child Father, Son or Holy Spirit. Trinity does not define persons but explains for we weaklings that God operates like His Creatures who are body, soul or life and spirit. Paul draws that analogy

      1Cor. 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by HIS Spirit: for the Spirit [OF GOD] searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

      If the Spirit is another god person the God the Father cannot even know anything about the DEEP THINGS in His Nature.

      1Cor. 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the SPIRIT of God.
      1Cor. 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit OF the world, but the spirit WHICH is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

      1Cor. 2:16 For who hath known the MIND of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the MIND of Christ.

      False THEOLOGIANS do not and probably CANNOT read and parse anything in Scripture and are given a TABLE to be used in SELLING LEARNING AT RETAIL. Spirit and Mind are used interchangeably many times. Maybe the trinitarian's MIND is really ANOTHER PERSON??

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