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  • Scripture Against Scripture? NOT
    • Donnie (Login Donnie.Cruz)
      ConcernedMembersMadison
      Posted Aug 5, 2017 3:59 PM

      Bill said:
      Those "few" verses convey just as much important information as the "many" verses do. The "many" verses teach that Jesus is the Son of God. The "few" verses also teach that God and Jesus are one and the same. If you accept the "many" verses but discount the "few" verses, because the latter conflict with your personal beliefs, then you are most definitely playing the "numbers game."

      RESPONSE: Ken Sublett (besides being very knowledgeable of the Scripture) can be funny. There are several passages that make reference to the MAN Christ Jesus "sitting on the right hand of God." But there are those who deny that truth and instead claim that Jesus Christ is "God" who is "sitting on the right hand of God." So, is it God sitting on the right hand of God???? Ken illustrates it best: "When I sit down on my right hand it isn't pretty!"

      In response to anyone who pits the "few" verses against the "many" verses, that should not happen because the Scripture does not contradict itself. The Scripture itself teaches the Christian to "study" and be "a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (II Timothy 2:15).

      Ken has something to say about those who have this attitude: "That explains why family and friends or preachers and elders go glassy eyed when you quote too much Scripture to them." [Taken from another thread, "God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son" by Dianna Howell (sub-topic: "Image of God" also by Dianna)]

      For example:

      (1) Scripture (even common logic) says: "God" is not the same as "the Son of God."
      (2) Scripture (even common logic) says: "God" is not the same as "the image of God."
      (3) Scripture says: "God the Son" ... NOT!!! The Pope declared that!
      (4) Scripture says: that Jesus has a God.
      (5) Scripture says: that Jesus has a head.
      (6) Scripture says: that Jesus has a Father.
      (7) Scripture says: that the God of Jesus is also the God of the believers.

      (8) ... OK, just a few of numerous scriptural teachings.

      There are some 50 references to Jesus being "the Son of God."
      There are some 90 references to Jesus being "the Son of man."

      There are a "few" verses [Bill's idea] that some folks think teach "the Trinity" concept or creed while "many" verses do not. Without elaborating further, it's time to examine these few verses and consider the words from the original text, the not-errorless scribes or text transcribers, the prejudices and pre-conceived theories and notions of Trinity-influenced translators -- born centuries later than the original manuscripts -- who manipulated certain passages of the Scripture.

      It is also time for these folks to do their own researches and seek any valid explanation as to why certain passages seemingly contradict other passages. The truth of the matter is that there is no contradiction in the passages of Scripture.
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