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  • Re: RE: Religion
    • Donnie Cruz (Login Donnie.Cruz)
      Posted Sep 13, 2017 11:49 PM


      I wasn't correcting your grammar. I understood it clearly when you emphasized that the "CHURCH OF CHRIST" is not a denomination. The "habit" I have, as I already mentioned, is personal with me -- that "the church of Christ Jesus" is not a denomination. It is also referred to scripturally as "the kingdom of Christ" (Matt. 16:18-28; Acts 1-2) or simply "the body of Christ" (I Cor. 12:27; Eph. 4:12). That's what I meant by not capitalizing the word when used in a sentence. It helps me think that the church established by Christ in Jerusalem (not Rome) is not a denomination.

      I would like to say again that even though man's perversion of the truth (or varying opinions about the truth) has resulted in hundreds and hundreds of denominations worldwide, it has not diminished the identity of the church we find in the New Testament, the body of Christ, as the true church. Joining a denominational church of one's choice does not resolve the perceived issue that that there must be a true church somewhere with some "denominational" name.

      If we're dealing with denominationalism, I would say that most of the denominations are about even, or the same, in terms of various religious groups' mission or goal to help those in need, to "seek and save the lost," etc. So, there's the question: Is one denomination as good as another? Perhaps, in that regard. Lest I forget, they're all in competition when it comes to "musical worship" -- which can become idolatrous. That's why we discuss that subject matter (musical worship) quite frequently here because there are certain "churches of Christ" (congregations, i.e.) that have transformed into that "worship" format which is an unknown commodity in the NT church of the first century.

      There's much to say about specifics. But time does not allow me at this point. One thing, though: I disagree that the Lord's Supper should consist of serving steak, fries and drinks. The scripture is clear about its significance: it's not even about the resurrection of Christ; it is simply commemorating the Lord's sacrifice and death of Christ on the cross, the shedding of his blood.

      If all churches are all denominations, the question would be then: Which one is closest to the gospel and teachings of Christ and the apostles? My experience tells me that having come from "denominationalism," I consider the teachings in the church of Christ (the one that many have come to label as the "Church of Christ" denomination) as closer to the truth than any of the other religious groups around.

      It would be unfair to label the church as a denomination or being legalistic because of its emphasis on "we speak where the Bible speaks..." and other New Testament principles. There are still many of its members who teach and practice "love of God" and "love of neighbor" -- and who are not hypocrites.
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