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  • Re: Is That Better?
    • Donnie Cruz (Login Donnie.Cruz)
      Posted Sep 16, 2017 3:13 PM

      It is better, Dave.

      Colossians 1:15 -- "Who is THE IMAGE OF the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

      Now it is time to really know the difference between:

      (1) The invisible God
      ---------- and ------------
      (2) The IMAGE OF the invisible God

      Then, you can review my recent post above.

      God gave ALL power or authority to Jesus Christ -- but God did NOT make Jesus His Son as co-God.

      When Jesus exercises the power and authority given to him by his God, that still does not make Jesus the co-God of the Father.

      II Timothy 4:1 (I'm glad you quoted this one) clearly uses the conjunction "AND" indicating two (2) beings. [Dave, what did you learn about the conjunction "and" in school?] God and Jesus are not conjoined twins. One is the Father; the other is the Son.

      Just remember and always remember that:

      (1) The Father is God, the Almighty God, and He is Jehovah
      ------------------ and -------------------
      (2) The Son of God, the Messiah sent to earth, is Jesus Christ.

      Simple!!! The simple truth that others have made COMPLEX unnecessarily.

      That passage agrees with many other passages regarding the relationship and even communication (read the book of John) between the Father and the Son. They never argue with each other. Jesus obeyed God (Heb. 5:8,9). When God judges, His Son obliges and follows -- after all, God gave him ALL power and authority. STILL, there is no migration from being the Son of God to being the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

      I'm glad you also quoted John 4:9 for it relates to everything else in the Scripture. It all goes back to Jesus being THE IMAGE of the invisible God. Since God is a spirit and invisible, when we see Jesus (who is God's IMAGE), we also "see" God the Father. (I'd like to know how else you can see God without seeing Jesus His image!!!)
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