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  • Re: Contemporary Musical Worship (see David Young: North Boulevard Hijacked)
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      ConcernedMembersMadison
      Posted Sep 23, 2017 4:20 PM

      There is no Biblical or other historical exception to the pattern. This limits no one's freedom to do whatever works. However, it is to show that the TRIBULATION is based on false accusations against instrumental churches. Many are led into hating others based on the accusation that Churches of Christ REMOVED "instrumental worship" when God COMMANDED it under the CARNAL Civil-Military-Clergy complex which God abandoned because the loud instrumental noise was used to silence infant holocaust as well as goats.

      Clement of Alexandria notes that:

      http://www.piney.com/FathClExHe.html

      "the writer of comedy, expressing his dissatisfaction with the common usages, tries to expose the impious arrogance of the pravailing error in the drama of the Priestess, sagely declaring:
      'If a man drags the Deity
      Whither he will by the sound of cymbals,
      He that does this is greater than the Deity;
      But these are the instruments of audacity and
      means of living
      Invented by men.

      The founding thesis of "musical worship teams" is that they could call God into their assemblies and "lead the audience into the presence of God and used as a means of living or SEEING GODLINESS AS A MEANS OF FINANCIAL GAIN. Jesus and Paul removed ALL money for the pattern of TEACHING THE FREE WATER OF THE WORD.

      (Clement, Exhortation to the Heathen, Ante-Nicene, II, p. 193).

      http://www.piney.com/FathClPed2.html

      "Let revelry keep away from our rational entertainments, and foolish vigils, too, that revel in intemperance. For revelry is an inebriating pipe, the chain of an amatory bridge, that is, of sorrow. And let love, and intoxication, and senseless passions, be removed from our choir. Burlesque singing is the boon companion of drunkeness. A night spent over drink invites drunkeness, rouses lust, and is audacious in deeds of shame.

      For if people occupy their time with pipes, and psalteries, and choirs, and dances, and Egyptian clapping of hands, and such disorderly frivolities, they become quite immodest and intractable, beat on cymbals, and drums, and make a noise on instruments of delusion." (Clement, Instructor)

      Plato: Apology of Socrates and Crito crito,17.2 speaking directly to the charismatic prophesying being practiced by the women in Corinth:

      http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/text?lookup=dyer+plat.+crito,17.2&vers=english&browse=1

      hoi korubantiôntes: here a species of madness seems to be indicated,
      under the influence of which men
      imagined that they heard the flutes
      that were used in Corybantian revels.
      and the song of the bacchanals in Eur. Bacch. 123-127,
      Corybantes, wearing helms three-rimmed,
      Stretched skins to make my drum's full round;
      Then they, in hollowed caves, lithe-limbed,
      With drums, and, with the flute's shrill sound Full Phrygian, bacchic ditties hymned.

      http://www.piney.com/DocEuripBacc.html#Anon

      -Strabo Geography 10.3.15
      http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0198%3Abook%3D10%3Achapter%3D3%3Asection%3D15

      [10.3.15] They invented names appropriate to the flute, and to
      the noises made by castanets, cymbals, and drums,
      and to their acclamations and shouts of "ev-ah,"
      and stampings of the feet; and they also invented some of the names
      by which to designate the ministers, choral dancers, and attendants upon the sacred rites,

      I mean "Cabeiri" and "Corybantes" and "Pans" and "Satyri" and "Tityri,"

      and they called the god "Bacchus," and Rhea [EVAH] "Cybele" or "Cybebe" or "Dindymene" according to the places where she was worshipped. Sabazius also belongs to the Phrygian group and in a way is the child of the Mother,, since he too transmitted the rites of Dionysus.

      The Worship of the Jews was Sabazianism.

      Strabo Geography 10.3.16
      http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0198%3Abook%3D10%3Achapter%3D3%3Asection%3D16

      Of the rites of Dionysus condemned by Paul in First Corinthians and the wine drinking musical worship in Ephesus:

      Also resembling these rites are the Cotytian and the Bendideian rites practiced among the Thracians, among whom the Orphic rites had their beginning. Now the Cotys who is worshipped among the Edonians, and also the instruments used in her rites, are mentioned by Aeschylus; for he says,

      O adorable Cotys among the Edonians, and ye who hold mountain-ranging instruments;
      And he mentions immediately afterwards the attendants of Dionysus: one, holding in his hands the bombyces (reed flute),
      toilsome work of the turner's chisel, fills full the fingered melody,
      the call that brings on FRENZY,
      while another causes to resound the bronze-bound cotylae. (cupped cymbals or vases) "and again, stringed instruments raise their shrill cry, and frightful mimickers from some place unseen bellow like bulls, and the semblance of drums, as of subterranean thunder, rolls along, a terrifying sound.

      Note: In connection with this bold use of "semblance" (eikôn) by Aeschylus, note Strabo's studied use of "resembles" (eoike, twice in this paragraph) and "unlikely" (apeikos). Others either translate eikôn "echo," or omit the thought.

      The sounding brass (echoing) in First Corinthians thirteen was a Greek military instrument or hollow vase. It is directly related to the Chaldean which is a synonymn for astrologer. It was used like the familiar spirit or "old wineskin" of the witch of Endor to call up a ghost from the subterranean world. By whispering and murmuring into the skin the client heard mysterous sounds which were interpreted as from the gods. At the same time, it was used as a musical instrument or weapon to try to panic the enmy with the noise.
      In connection with this bold use of "semblance" (eikōn) by Aeschylus, note Strabo's studied use of "resembles" (eoike, twice in this paragraph) and "unlikely" (apeikos). Others either translate eikōn "echo," or omit the thought.
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