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A_N_N_O_U_N_C_E_M_E_N_T_S

October 30 2001 at 7:26 PM
ConcernedMembers  (Premier Login madisonchurchofchrist)
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Dear Fellow Madison Church of Christ Members;

A MESSAGE FROM THE ConcernedMembers

Our Job Is Not Over!

We have a plan that covers what we will be doing in the short and long range with three different phases.......

If you think back when you first learned about the real cause of the problems in our congregation, it probably hasn't been that long ago. Oh sure there are those that have known, but the large percentage of us didn't really know until somewhat recently.

You do have to wonder if things would have been different if someone had told us a year or so ago?

You know, I think people did try in their own way, and probably in the only way they could, and maybe we thought they were a little extreme.

I remember when Bob Johnson first told me what was going on and tried to show me the evidence. As much as I trusted Bob, I found it all rather hard to believe.

It wasn't until I sat down and read the material, that I realized what he said was true!

We should not expect anyone to believe us, unless they have read the material.

We are now in a situation that is addressed in ; Ezekiel 33:1-6. We have become the "Watchman". We are aware of information that affects our fellow members spiritual life. We are under an obligation to warn them. What they do with that information is then up to them.

I think we realize that we are not going to win many battles in the future, in fact only those the Lord wants us to win.

The battle at Madison Church of Christ is not about financially overburdened realestate. It is about the souls of our fellow members.

Before we move on to other churches, or before we can be relieved of this burden of knowledge we must try to inform as many others as possible.

There are some 314,000 churches in the U.S.A. That's a lot of souls! For some of us this could be a life long job.

Before we warn other churches and their members, we have a job to finish here. We have put together a three Phase program.

PHASE I

The first phase is warning our brothers and sisters in Madison, at the Church of Christ.

There is a book ( What Happened At The Madison Church of Christ?) being printed as you read this. This book covers a lot of the information for folks that have not accessed our web site at:

The book size was necessary to communicate the amount of information we need to relay.

The book is going to be made available to every Madison Church of Christ member FREE.

The first printed editions will be available through any of the ConcernedMembers, at 15 locations in Nashville, and downloadable and printable on the web.

We are not sure how long phase I will take. At it's completion we will begin phase II.


PHASE II

For 60 years Madison Church of Christ has been a beacon of light to the world. I think it could still be a beacon. But, this time it may be a beacon of either success or failure of the "Contemporary/Community Church Movement". At this time only the Lord knows which that may be.

This phase begins with us telling the world about the troubled waters in churches across America.

We will begin in the Greater Nashville Area.

Through advertisements in newspapers, and on the web we will try to bring folks in to our dedicated web site at: http://www.ConcernedMembers.com

Here they will have the resources and information to understand and cope with the changes they may find in their church. There will be links to ConcernedMembers web sites all over the country telling their story, and their successes and failures.


PHASE III

This is the beginning of our direct mail program. We will start with all the Church of Christ congregations in Tennessee.

We want to thank all the members for their overwhelming support.
Lets get started, we have a big job.

Thanks

ConcernedMembers

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This message has been edited by ConcernedMembers from IP address 65.80.190.188 on Oct 24, 2002 5:00 PM


 
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Racnor
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Re: A_N_N_O_U_N_C_E_M_E_N_T_S

July 17 2012, 6:23 PM 

Back where it all began. How about an update on Madison coC.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: A_N_N_O_U_N_C_E_M_E_N_T_S

July 17 2012, 7:05 PM 

That was just after a member called me: the "agent" let it slip that they intended to turn Madison into a "theater for holy entertainment." And we gonna let them think that they are on a train to Birmingham (or somewhere) but WE gonna switch their car and take it to Louisville, cause that's were we gonna take em.

They had a church in exile with their own secret web page.

Well, if you think that is "cute" then you will not like CM.

Churches of all kinds flooded the pages because "prophets" in most bible-based groups had a PLAN and you are not to question were we are going: don't speak to an elder unless it is a salvation issue at Madison.

This is still a terminal sin and in the words of Calvin and mine, "a long period of time does not exhaust the statute of limitations."

 
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David Fields
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Here We Go Again.....and Again....and Again

July 18 2012, 8:36 AM 

Donnie Cruz said "I think it (Madison church of Christ) could still be a beacon."

Donnie, you and your words of hate and spite will not keep/have not kept our Lord's church from being a beacon....the Lord's church at Madison has always been/will always be a beacon.


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Author: David Fields, not "Cinabon"


    
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Re: Here We Go Again.....and Again....and Again

July 19 2012, 7:37 AM 

A church can hardly be called a "beacon" if it changes or alters the teachings of the New Testament to boost or keep its membership.

 
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David Fields
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Re: Here We Go Again.....and Again....and Again

July 26 2012, 8:41 AM 

The beautiful thing about it all......no matter what anyone says.....the Lord's church is just that.....whether in India or Madison, TN.....HIS church.....and it will reign supreme....no matter how evil and harsh the words are that come from the naysayers.


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Author: David Fields, not "Madison Rules"


    
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Re: Here We Go Again.....and Again....and Again

July 27 2012, 12:26 AM 

Yes, the Lord's True Church will always reign supreme. However, those congregations that add to, take from, change, and alter the teachings of the New Testament to suit their worldly desires are NOT a part of the Lord's True Church and never will be, no matter how loudly they proclaim they are. Congregations cannot thumb their noses at the Lord's New Testament teachings and still expect Him to lift them up as examples of shining light. If such congregations are any kind of "beacons" at all, they are beacons of abomination.

 
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July 28 2012, 1:47 PM 

Someone once said...."However, those congregations that add to, take from, change, and alter the teachings of the New Testament to suit their worldly desires are NOT a part of the Lord's True Church and never will be, no matter how loudly they proclaim they are. Congregations cannot thumb their noses at the Lord's New Testament teachings and still expect Him to lift them up as examples of shining light."

The good thing....it isn't man's interpretation of the Scriptures or man's jugdgment that marks whether a congregation is of the Lord or not. That is where this site fails miserably. They believe that they can do the marking by the way they interpret the Scriptures. The men who take part in this site, concernedmembers, are not the popes of the Word. They are not the interpreters for the rest of the Christian world. It is no wonder why the Lord's church gets such a bad rap. The Lord's New Testament teachings cannot and will not be set by a few bad men. The questions is......who or what men do you believe concerning what the revealed Truth is? Does every congregation worship in the same way? That is why the men here who have gone against the elders at Madison are pure evil. Every church will not worship our Lord in the same manner. The evil men believe that it has to be their way or no way, and thus you have some who have gone against the Word and against the Elders from different congregations who make some decisions that didn't jive with what they wanted.

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NOTE: Original message unchanged -- only your user-ID. "Madison Rules" hardly identifies your demeanor, Dave. So, pick another one that you will use consistently.


    
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Re: A_N_N_O_U_N_C_E_M_E_N_T_S

July 28 2012, 5:06 PM 

Dave,

Fact is that the change agents also should be asserting that no one should alter the New Testament teachings of Christ and the apostles. But they choose not to do that.

(1) The "change agents" are living up to their name -- changing God's truth.

(2) The "change agents" have authorized themselves as "popes" of the church.

Therefore, Dave, advise them. Do not advise the ones who cling to the truth and who have NO INTENTION of altering the truth.

 
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Re: A_N_N_O_U_N_C_E_M_E_N_T_S

July 28 2012, 5:55 PM 

Since we here at CM advocate following the teachings of Christ and His apostles as written in the New Testament, it's odd that an "elder" of a church of Christ congregation would object to that. He apparently thinks that we here at CM interpret Christ's teachings according to man's principles. Although this "elder" didn't get into specifics, I can think of at least one. This "elder" apparently thinks it's perfectly acceptable to ADD more to Christ's explicit commands than what Christ has specified therein, all on the false, man-made reasoning of "God/Jesus didn't say not to." Specifically, this so-called "elder" sees nothing wrong if congregations ADD instrumental music to worship God when Jesus through Paul specifies vocal music and stops there. This "elder" guy apparently thinks that "God/Jesus didn't say not to" is part of Jesus' Gospel. Here's some news for this guy who plays at being an "elder": Adding instrumental music interprets the New Testament according to man's principles. Refraining from using instrumental music simply stops where the New Testament stops; doing so simply follows the New Testament directive without going any further. That false "elder" recently accused the members of this site of interpreting the New Testament according to man's principles, yet he does exactly that when he gives a nod to those who use instruments in worship.

 
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July 29 2012, 10:14 AM 

"Since we here at CM advocate following the teachings of Christ and His apostles as written in the New Testament, it's odd that an "elder" of a church of Christ congregation would object to that. He apparently thinks that we here at CM interpret Christ's teachings according to man's principles."

"Adding instrumental music interprets the New Testament according to man's principles. Refraining from using instrumental music simply stops where the New Testament stops; doing so simply follows the New Testament directive without going any further."

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But you can't have it both ways. A "CM advocate" has stated the following.



"Acappella, A cappella not Biblical: Modern songs sung with complex harmony by groups have no more Biblical authority than the use of Instrumental music."

 
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Re: A_N_N_O_U_N_C_E_M_E_N_T_S

July 29 2012, 2:54 PM 

The New Testament addresses the kind of music to use, which is vocal music, and stops there. The New Testament doesn't address singing in unison or harmony at all. Furthermore, the New Testament doesn't address volume, pitch, or tempo. Therefore, unison, harmony, volume, pitch, and tempo are not doctrinal issues; man is free to implement them. But vocal music IS a doctrinal issue, because it IS addressed in the New Testament. Because vocal music is the ONLY kind of music that is specified, then adding other kinds of music, like instrumental music, does not comply with New Testament Scripture.

 
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July 29 2012, 4:54 PM 

"B" thanks for just giving us YOUR opinion on this matter. It's obvious that the "CM Camp" is divided on the issues of singing and IM. Have a nice day.

 
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July 29 2012, 10:02 PM 

It's like this: If Jesus sent an angel to earth disguised as a simple preacher who urged everyone to follow the teachings of Christ and His apostles as written in the New Testament, Racnor would probably respond with something like, "Well, mister, thanks for just giving us YOUR opinion on this matter."

 
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July 30 2012, 8:43 AM 

It's like this: If Jesus sent an angel to earth disguised as a simple preacher who urged everyone to follow the teachings of Christ and His apostles as written in the New Testament, Racnor would probably respond with something like, "Well, mister, thanks for just giving us YOUR opinion on this matter."


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Hey "B", YOU'RE no angel! [linked image]

 
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July 30 2012, 10:03 PM 

You know, to some folks, an angel just wouldn't do. If Jesus Himself appeared to certain people and said, "If you follow my teachings as written in the New Testament, you will have eternal life," I kinda think those certain people would still respond with, "Well, mister, thanks for just giving me YOUR opinion on this matter."

Which is easier: for a camel to go through the eye of a needle or for someone to enter heaven who thinks that Jesus' teachings in the New Testament are just "opinions"?




 
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July 30 2012, 10:53 PM 

"B", I don't have a problem about what Jesus said or any of his teachings as written in the New Testament. I have a problem with YOUR opinions on IM. Jesus didn't condemn IM, "YOU" did.

 
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July 31 2012, 9:08 AM 

The truth is that Jesus explicitly authorized vocal music, but He did not authorize the addition of IM or any other kind of music. That's not opinion; that's a FACT, Rac. However, it looks like RACNOR, DAVE, and others of similar mindset have decided that the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command is just too old-fashioned to follow in today's adrenalin-driven, entertainment-oriented society, so they've elected to thumb their noses at it.

Racnor claims that he has no problem with Jesus' teachings in the New Testament. I'm sure Dave would make the same claim. OK, then Racnor and Dave should be willing to abide by Jesus' teachings as written without adding to them or taking from them. Jesus said to sing and make melody in our hearts. He stopped there. Are Racnor and Dave also willing to stop there? Are Racnor and Dave willing to abide by the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command, or will they continue to thumb their noses at it?

People do not abide by Jesus' teachings when they persist in polluting those teachings with man-contrived doctrines. Supporting IM because it "enhances" or "accompanies" our singing is a man-contrived doctrine because it's not found anywhere in the New Testament. Supporting IM because "God didn't say not to" is also a man-contrived doctrine because it's not found anywhere in the New Testament.

Racnor and Dave, do the RIGHT thing: Follow Jesus' teachings in the New Testament AS WRITTEN without embellishing them, tweaking them, altering them, or changing them in any way to suit your own personal desires.

 
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July 30 2012, 11:21 PM 

Here's a thought for everyone, even Racnor, to consider: Follow the teachings of Jesus and His apostles as written in the New Testament, and you'll have nothing to worry about as far as eternity is concerned. Of course, if you're an atheist, an agnostic, or some other kind of unbeliever, that's just someone's "opinion."

 
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There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

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Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't know what happened.
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Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

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