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Rise of the OCCULT right on Time!

February 21 2004 at 3:43 PM
Kenneth Sublett  (no login)
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Christianity Today noted that one Methodist church had FIVE MUSICAL SECTS meeting in the same building. And it is a fact that people who rejected trying to worship IN THEIR SPIRIT with a pipe organ became the ONLY SECTARIANS in the first Restoration Not surprising, the Greek world understood that and Paul SOLVED the unity in diversity in Romans 15 by defining the ASSEMBLY as a synagogue where the MARK of faithfulness was that everyone spoke the same thing from "that which is written."

We noted that "scholars" at ACU claim to have REMOVED the old conservative doctrine of the non-instrumental churches of Christ. In order to make the prophesied end-time "church" steal everything from those who paid for it they plan to manufacture men with "Advanded degrees trained as PROPHETS, Chanellers and Facilitators."

Jesus repudiated the DOCTORS OF THE LAW (Pharisees, Scribes) because THEY TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE.

Paul defined the role of the PASTOR-TEACHERS or elsers as to "teach that which has been taught" and to "rebuke those who oppose" that which is writte.

Paul refused to preach that which he had not received from Christ the Spirit.

He defined the SYNAGOGUE as the way for "unity in diversity." That meant that both the Orphics and Dionysiacs left their MUSICAL TRADITIONS out of the assembly. Then, with one MOUTH and one MIND the only way to glorify God was to "speak that which had been written." Jesus built an ekklesia or synagogue: not a church or circe the "holy whore" who used music and drugs as the SORCERER which was the medicinam to produce sects of the Magi.

Music had value only in CHARISMATIC rituals which intended to drive you MAD or Enthus O Mantic. Paul understood that PSALLO or MELODY attached directly to Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon and the MUSES (musica sorcerers). External melody is NOT a musical term but that of warfare. God gave the silver trumpets as WEAPONS to drive the enemy into PANIC to turn them cowards. ALL music afflicts the human spirit and makes worship in the PLACE of the human spirit impossible. That is the purpose: remember that the Judas Bag was for carrying the reeds of his wind instrument. It is derived from "speaking in tongues" and "of the kosmos" ruled by Satan. Jesus had ground the SOP and fed it to Judas and spirit of SATAN came into him. SOP is directly related to PSALLO or external melody."

In addition to Pharisees and Hypocrites (actors) the group includes rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers and musicians whose SECOND LEVEL performance was called SORCERY and the performers were parasites (the Pharisees performed and made the widows pay). For instance:

The word Musica or mousikê, the art of music, i. e. comic and dramatic poetry, musice antiquis temporibus tantum venerationis

The mousikos
    I. of or for music, musical, Ar., Thuc., etc.; ta mousika music, Xen.; v. mousikê.

    II. of persons, skilled in music, a votary of the Muses, a man of letters and accomplishment, a scholar, more accomplished in SPEAKING

    A votary of the MUSES has pledged himself to be the AGENT of Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon.

    His speaking art is lego [!lech] to lay asleep, lull to sleep,

      And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman (Techne=professionals) ,of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22

    When Samson had to GRIND in the king's house he was turned into a prostitute. The GRINDERS speak of concubines who were also prostitutes. The end-time church IS defined as a harlot. Revelation 18 defines some of the PROFESSIONALS attracted to ride her popularity: new style worship.

    Mousikos (g3451) moo-sik-os'; from Mousa , (a Muse); "musical", i.e. (as noun) a minstrel: - musician
The craftsmen are:
    Technites (g5079) tekh-nee'-tace; from 5078; an artisan; fig. a founder (Creator): - builder, craftsman.

    For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made SILVER SHRINES for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; Ac.19:24

    The Israelites had worshipped Dianne in Egypt and the Golden Calf points to the worship of the Egyptian Triad with MUSICAL IDOLATRY or Play:

    "As Herodotus reports, WOMEN sang the praises of Osiris while liknesses of the gods were born about and, during the festival of Diana at Bubastis, Women's singing was a vital part of all pagan worship. In other times women became priestly singers of the gods in the temple. [But, NEVER in the holy places]. They were always THE HAREM OF THE GODS. Their PERFORMANCE intends to call down the SPIRIT in order to be PRAISED (made vile) with "favors." The VINYARD "lady" boasts that this is the PURPOSE of the NEW STYLE MUSIC. That enhances the last ACT of worship which is "giving of resources." It is the almost-NORMAL method of selling GOD and WIDOWS hoping for greater wealth.

However, we have no TRAFFICK with those who build shrines but:

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Heb.11:10
    Techne (g5078) tekh'-nay; from the base of 5088; art (as productive), i.e. (spec.) a TRADE, or (gen.) skill: - art, craft, OCCUPATION.

    Whom he called together with the workmen of like OCCUPATION (techne), and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our WEALTH. Ac.19:25
John used the PAGAN RELIGIONS of his time and place to send a secret message even to us. Circe or church--the holy whore--was burried within view of Patmos. She used music, drugs and sex to turn mean back into BEAST people and fed them on "sermons" made of dung.

While they blame anyone not TERMINALLY pledged to Satan and the occult with being LEGALISTS and SECTARIANS, they do not want you to know that by spewing out the Words of Christ and being Christ-centered they become GRACE-CENTERED. Grace is free of charge opposite opsonia or for PROFIT.
Charismatic means hedone which is "delight, enjoyment, pleasure, Lat. voluptas, Hdt., etc.; hêdonêi hêssasthai, charizesthai to give way to pleasure. hêdonên legein to speak so as to please another. Speaking in tongues is to PLEASURE one's DOMINANT LEADER

The BURDEN Jesus removed is:
    Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please.

    Airo (g142) ah'ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).

    "The most primitive form of charisma occurs in shamanism. This is the religion of the small tribal unit and the witch doctor. The shaman-- "one who is excited, moved, RAISED" (Lindholm 1990, 158)--becomes master of the "techniques of ecstasy" (Eliade 1964). Typically he (or she, for among the !Kung fully 1 0 percent of women become shamans; Lindholm 1990, 163) is identified early as one with a "shadowed heart." The shaman is not psychotic but is disturbed in some way--the "disease of God," an "emotional seizure" that originates in the unconscious of the leader and results in three "extraordinary" emotions: ecstasy, euphoria, and political passions. To produce ecstasy they may use alcohol and other drugs, music and dance, sexuality, or some combination of these; They were reluctant to seek therapy but had been forced to do so because of having been compromised by various fraudulent or sexually perverse behaviors.

    Xenophon, in Symp. 8.32, say that pederasty was the usual custom in Elis and Thebes, and Plato adds that charizesthai erastais was not considered dishonorable because the people there were too inarticulate to persuade with words.

    The same pederasty is also present in the cases in which tyrants were allegedly or actually toppled by pairs of lovers

    Voluptas a-tis (gen. plur. voluptatum and -tium), f. [Gr. elpô, to hope; root Welp-; cf. volo] , satisfaction, enjoyment, pleasure, delight (whether sensual or spiritual; syn. oblectamentum).

    B. Voluptates, sports, shows, spectacles,
Charisma (GRACE) was worshipped as a Goddess: Charisma erastais Pederasty. The word "erastais" is used in Ezekiel:

They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom. Ezec 16:33

They are not PROPHETS but PROFITS. They intend to TRAFFICK in the free Word of God. To do so they have to convince you that MY books, songs and sermons are superior to those offered free by God. The MUSICAL thrust, hermeneutics and exegetice all point to the huge RISE of the OCCULT in your church: they will hurt you real bad because GRACE the sacred whore told them to.

More of the musical-sermonizing connection later.

Ken Sublett

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MUSICA like all such terms speak of SORCERY

April 5 2004, 5:56 PM 

musica, ae, and mu-si(ce- , e-s, f., = mousikê, the art of music, music; acc. to the notions of the ancients, also every higher kind of artistic or scientific culture or pursuit: musicam Damone..,i. e. comic and dramatic poetry 1, 10, 9
    Similar meaning:

    , es, f., = exêgêtikê, the art of interpretation, exegesis,

      Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe.1:20

Christ identified His role as SON as speaking what He heard from the FATHER within. He defined the clergy as sons of the Devil because they "speak on their own."

Jesus promised to build an ekklesia or synagogue where "two or three" could meet with Him in a position of REST. The "theatrical performers" laded a BURDEN which was "spiritual anxiety from religious ritual." I physically grasped that, in fact, while listening to a FHU singing group which once felt SPIRITUAL but suddenly sounded DEMONIC as ALL of the Bible and history knows it to be.

Christ the Spirit God DOES NOT NEED further expounding and using the MELODY word (Psallo) which is not remotely musical but speaks of warfare with bows and arrows of which Apollo is the father.
    Epilusis (g1955) ep-il'-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: - interpretation.
    Epiluo (g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (fig.) to explain, decide: - determine, expound.

The Greek world identified rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers and musicians as SORCERERS. Because the guitarIST or psalmODIA provided no lasting value they were classed as PARASITES. Do you remember FHU sending out 'missionaries' dressed as Gargoyles (demons)?
    MAGICE- , e-s, f., = magikê (sc. technê), the magic art, magic, SORCERY, medicinam: magices factio,
    magia, ae, f., = mageia, the science of the Magi, magic, SORCERY (post-class.), App. M. 3, 16, p. 201 fin.; id. Mag. p. 290, 23; 304, 24; id. M. 3, p. 136, 19; p. 137, 36; Prud. adv. Symm. 1, 89.
    FACTIO , o-nis, f. [id.] II. (Acc. to facio, II. B.; lit., a taking part or siding with any one; hence concr.) A company of persons associated or acting together, a class, order, sect, faction, party (syn.: pars, partes, causa, rebellio, perduellio, seditio).
    B. In partic., a company of political adherents or partisans, a party, side, faction

ONCE- Christian colleges are the major sowers of discord by sending out musical worship teams (how disgusting and blasphemous) because NO Phd knows the facts. Donnie has noted that 90% of division and deliberate SOWING OF DISCORD is caused by musicians wanting to PERFORM.
    mageia , hê, theology of the Magians, m. hê Zôroastrou Pl.Alc.1.122a .
Techne is a crafty craftsman:
    And the voice of harpers, and musicians, (Abaddon's Singing Team) and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22
There are no exceptions: any kind of artistic skill used to PROP UP God was seen as sorcery and the participants were parasites.


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Your response to the FHU singing group

July 4 2004, 12:22 AM 

I was in the FHU Ambassadors, of which you speak, a few years ago. I respect your opinion and your passion. However, I would like to know if you think that all singing mentioning God is worship. If so, is it worship when we praise God for the beauty of nature in a sentence? Is every mention of God worship? If not, is it wrong to use talents and skill to spread God's word? Is it wrong to paint a picture of the Last Supper? Is it wrong for a crafted jeweler to create a necklace in the shape of a cross? Is that worship, or is that simply dwelling on that which is good? If it is not truly worship, then should we not dwell on God outside of worship? Is it wrong for five young people to sing about their God if it is not during a worship setting?

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July 5 2004, 10:34 AM 

I was speaking of doing mission work dressed as gargoyles. These are "griffins" or "demons." I don't know why you cannot just "teach that which has been taught." Children are already crippled by teachers teaching at teachers levels rather at the advanced stage which all are able to learn as proven by being able to memorize and recite destructive singing methods with destructive messages. The Mogen David philosophy of education: "We will teach not fact before its time" has the teachers having to go to their children to learn how to do advanced computer stuff.

Worship in the external sense literally means to fall on your face or faun before God as a dog licking its master's boots. I suggest that worship be in "reverence and Godly fear because God is still a consuming fire."

The woman at the well was "spiritual" enough that she knew that "Messiah will TELL us all things." Jesus defined worship in the PLACE of the human spirit which is the human mind just as God as pure or holy (wholly) Spirit is the Mind of Christ. That is as difficult for flesh-based people to grasp as SPEAK or PREACH the inspired metrical text. People can read SPEAK or TEACH or ADMONISH and it literally CANNOT be grasped by the mind or spirit. Therefore even Phds translate it SING externally and MAKE MELODY externally when the Spirit in Paul could not have made it clearer.

Paul said that the circumcised Jews now "worshipped God IN the SPIRIT." No one seems to be able to read that: especially "scholars." They translate it "sing enspirited" which means Enthus O mania or the mad prophesying. But Paul contrasted worship IN THE SPIRIT because "we have no confidence in the flesh." Therefore, Paul defined the place of worship in a POSITIVE sense and then defined it as NOT being related to the flesh. If you can see it, hear it, smell it or touch it it simply CANNOT be in the spirit or mind. The mind can focus on only one thing well at a time. When we sing a "song" in the modern sense, the total brain and mind is CONSUMED with trying to translate and interpret the simple song or poem. When you add: four different tunes, at four different times, with four different voices with four different sets of words you have SCRAMBLED the brain and there can be NO intent on either teaching or worship. The brain is put into a frenzy which the Greek world calls MADNESS. The effect is to cause PANIC or fear which is trafficked as "spiritual." History knows that SOMEBODY does not want the songs and sermons of God in Christ to be heard in the SPIRIT. Music has no role to play in "worship."

The temple was a model from which the people's congregation was excluded. Outside the holy places the singers and musicians made a great crashing sound. It was called "service" which means hard bondage even connected to the word for Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon. They SERVED the priests while the priest sacrificed tens of thousands of TYPES of Lord Jesus Christ. The Levitical warrior musicians mocked Jesus right to the cross.

The Holy Place had the symbols of the function of the synagogue which the common people attended (even in the wilderness). That was the bread of communion, the seven lights representing the seven spirits of God ALL related to knowledge taught by God. The Incense altar was in or looked into the Most Holy Place. The incense typified our own silent prayers during which there was total silence (no back up band).

The "national" worship was in the Most Holy Place in darkness and silence where the "priest" meets God alone: any singers or musicians who attempted to "lead" you into the presence of God would be executed because they presumed to be Christ the one and only Mediator.

The WORD was under the Mercy Seat and therefore believers must accept the sacrifice of Christ and be "washed" before they can enter in to meet God--no help possible, please.

Jesus TAUGHT in the synagogues but preached the kingdom throughout the area. However, He defined our alms as private and calculated secret. He commanded that our prayers be in the CLOSET and not public. He said of the twos or threes "I will give you REST and then you can 'come learn of me'." Worship is holding the thought of God in our minds. Therefore that is not COMMANDED nor is it POSSIBLE in a public assembly where people feel obligated to flood the "theater" with sight, sound and motion: the ladies try to bring in incense flowers. When you "give heed" to these your SPIRIT cannot possibly give heed to God.

You have heard of the RELIGIOUS WARS in Africa? Well, this is caused by musical-charismatic people--including churches of Christers in connection with the Christian Church--absolutely making Muslims justifiably violant as you use "demons" to teach, use the Lucado-Shelly trinitariasm and make the services into loud, musical "mind control" propoganda events. Rubel Shelly proposes that Jesus would join in a pork barbeque during pot luck. Some far out church takes the Lord's Supper with pork oozing from their teeth just after they have "wooorrshupped" their pagan god as THREE persons (people). I suggested that if you go dressed as DEMONS you can mark up division and even wars to your charge.

Music IS a word of warfare and sorcery because it shuts down your rational (spiritual) nature and scrambles your brain. They PROCURE musical worship leaders to "lead you to the presence of the collection plate" for which they have no command.


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July 7 2004, 7:35 PM 

You are wasting your time trying to argue with someone like this.

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Rise of the Occult 3

April 7 2004, 10:24 AM 

Any dedicated student of the Word and its culture know that ALL musical terms and names point directly to Lucifer, prostitutes, the warriors (David's) or people playing the role of Witch or Sorcerer. Remember that the Witch of Endor's familiar spirit was not a little person informing her about the dead: it was a hardened wine skin used as an echo chamber which was a musical instrument. The booming gongs of Paul have the same meaning as does the harp or Nebel derived from Nabal a vile man. These have the same meaning as the nebel or harp which means "to make self vile."

In the Greek world all of the religious PERFORMING roles such as singers or musicians or sOPHISts (serpents) are defined as SORCERERS. Their music was like a real drug. Only those who are defined as the sons of the Devil because they "speak on their own" are literally defined as fallen angels reserved in judgement to be aroused (like Dracula) by Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon). The BEAST is identified as something like PAN who is a little perverted, goat horned (horny always meant horny) animal. His horns are identified as MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS. He gives his "horns" the power to ascend to their own HILL and establish their own little kingdom.

Donnie has noted that musicians confess, as they always have, to having "sold their soul" for the power to ASCEND above the plains (of Armageddon) to rule. Men like Hitler, Machiavelli, Jung and the preacher next door prove that they sold their souls to Satan being themselves deceived that they were getting a VISION from or "hearing God's voice" ringing in your ears. Lucky for the eternal dimension, the spiritual terrorists carry the SEED of their own destruction which grows into barely- hidden insanity. People just LOVE them because the physically, emotionally or sexually abnormal have always been seen as witch doctors, prophets or priests.

Alan Morrison Notes that:
    "It is important to realise that the bulk of the New Style of Worship songs have been written by people who are ardent advocates of Charismatic teachings which previous generations of believers rejected as "fanaticism" and "enthusiasm".

      "These songs have been composed for the deliberate purpose of seeding their teachings in churches.

      "In other words, the New Style of Worship is promotional -- and what it seeks to promote is another gospel and a form of Christianity which is very far removed from the Bible,

      although the majority of professing Christians today are unable to recognise that.

      "The New Style of Worship songbooks have been deliberately published in order to effect a change in churches to this new form of Christianity. One only has to read the books written by the major advocates and composers of the New Style of Worship to be convinced of that.

Because it can easily be shown that many "churches" in their present incarnation are more Greek than Biblical, it is interesting that Plato warned that music was a tool of "gradualism" used as change agent. In the Republic, Book IV he understood that those changing the musical forms intended to change the laws. Therefore --
    "music and gymnastic (must) be preserved in their original form, and no innovation made. They must do their utmost to maintain them intact.

      And when anyone says that mankind must regard...
      The newest song which the singers have, (Odyssey)...

    "they will be afraid that he may be praising, not some new songs, but a NEW KIND of song;

      and this ought not to be praised, or conceived to be the meaning of the poet;
      for any musical innovation is full of danger in the whole State..

    So Damon tells me, and I can quite believe him; he says that when modes of music change, the fundamental laws of the State always change with them..."

      "Then," I said, "our guardians must lay the foundations of their fortress in music?"

      "Yes," I replied, 'in the form of amusement:

      and at first sight it always appears harmless'."

Music has always been called "the effeminate art."
    If the element of spirit is naturally weak in him the change is speedily accomplished, but if he have a good deal,

      then the power of music WEAKENING the SPIRIT renders him excitable;

      on the LEAST PROVOCATION he flames up at once, and is speedily extinguished; instead of having SPIRIT he grows irritable and passionate and is quite impracticable. (The Great Dialogs, Plato, Classic edition, p. 312)

Yesterday I watched a TV program warning of the danger of LOUD and FAST in the early years of a child's life. The brain is REWIRED so that it can never grasp or appreciate that which is slow and quiet. Remember that God, warning of the musical bowing to Baal, that He is not heard in the EARTHQUAKES and WIND STORMS or FIRE but in "a still small voice or a GENTLE WHISPER." Job who agreed with Jesus that "from the foundation of the world" in which he used figurative language, God speaks in quiet parables which fools turn into EARTHQUAKES . God used the WHISPERED VOICE as a superior form of Spiritual speaaking to us. If WE don't shut up God will not speak to us. Remember that Jesus said that if we want to speak to God we should go into our CLOSET of a dark silence. A SMALL voice will NEVER be found in the CHARISMATIC rhetoricians or hand flinging, loud preachers. Just as Jesus picked poor, meek fishermen who never grew eloquent, God's quietness is from the Greek:

    Daq (h1851) dak; from 1854; crushed, i. e. (by impl.) small or thin: - dwarf, lean [-fleshed], very little thing, small, thin.

    Now a thing was secretly brought to me, and mine ear received a little thereof . Job 4:12

    In thoughts from the visions of the night, when deep sleep falleth on men, Job 4:13

    Fear came upon me, and trembling, which made all my bones to shake. Job 4:14

    Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up: Job 4:15

    It stood still, but I could not discern the form thereof: an image was before mine eyes, there was silence, and I heard a voice, saying, Job 4:16

    Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker? Job 4:17

    Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly: Job 4:18

    Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. Psalm 46:10

The word SELAH signaled by a harp string is thought to mean BE QUIET AND MEDITATE on the stanza. Didn't PAUL say "make melody IN THE HEART?"

When you see MUSICIANS trying to influence the Mind of God by singing silly, erotic, effeminate praise tunes you know that they are performing as SORCERERS. They have stings in their tails. The word CHARISMATIC which involves music in the Greek world was directly related and is used by the GAY world to mean PEDERASTY:

When you see them singing and clapping and swaying, in the words of the ancient Greeks who taught the Israelites to RISE UP TO PLAY, you know that they are, as proven by Mother Carol Wimber, having an aural and visual orgasm. That is, they are projecting themselves as the HAREM OF GOD and pretending that the "excitement" is God responding to their seduction. All of the evidence proves that MUSIC is the MARK of people who have tasted the WORD and spewed it out of their mouths. All of the examples prove the Hebrew's 6 principle that "there is no more sacrifice for sins" so they might as well eat drink and make mary.

When you see preachers who can lie about every passage of the Bible and declare that it is no longer suitable for OUR CULTURE AND you see the congregation lapping it up you know that SORCERY is taking place.

Modern scholars note that it is the URBANS and most sophisticated who are SEDUCED in this turning God's Word and worship into a pagan ritual. Since Jesus repudiated the doctors of the Law and we LUST to proocure "one of those" we need EXEGESIS which is attached to MUSIC, this may be the promised STRONG DELUSION to SILENCE the quiet voice of God:
    "History notes that when religion swings from repression to permissiveness,

    those with MENTAL DISORDERS lose their emotional footing

    and react by flaunting the violation of PREVIOUS RELIGIOUS views. Karen Armstrong, A History of God

    "Several of the Ranters claimed to be the Messiah, a REINCARNATION of God, who was to establish the NEW KINGDOM. The accounts that we have of their lives suggest MENTAL DISORDERS in some cases... William Franklin, a respectable householder, became mentally ill in 1646 after his family had been smitten by plague. He horrified his fellow Christians by declaring himself to be God and Christ, but later recanted and begged pardon. He seemed to be in full possession of his faculties, but he still left his wife and began to sleep with other women...

    Mary Gadbury began to SEE VISIONS and HEAR VOICES,

    prophesying a NEW SOCIAL ORDER which would ABOLISH all CLASS DISTINCTIONS." (Armstrong, p. 321)

The brutal terrorist attack upon non-instrumental churches of Christ has been SPECIFICIALLY to load the colleges and universities with people who BOAST that they are repudiating the PREVIOUS RELIGIOUS VIEWS. They have called for a SECOND INCARNATION, established a JUBILEE to repudiate the One Jesus Christ fulfilled, some have been declared 13the apostles and some claim to have power SUPERIOR to Moses and that they should be the CHRIST for their generation. They make it a SCHOLARLY and PRIESTCRAFT priority to repudiate the olden Bible which the olden people WORKED out for their salvation as they PARTNERED With God. The new priestcraft and "doctors of the Law" claim that since CULTURE CHANGES (isn't that a rotten, dirty discovery they have made) WE need to PARTNER with God to work out OUR OWN narrative and salvation fitting with OUR EVOLUTION. They pervert Scripture and have the children MOCKING God in Christ and the PEOPLE LOVE TO HAVE IT SO and disturbed people who lust to CLAP or MOCK Jesus to His face are believed to be dispensing spirit and WORSHIP but it is just Jonestown KoolAid.

Fred Peatross of GRACE CENTERED MAGAZINE defines an EMERGING church of Christ which sounds like WITCHCRAFT just as the Greek religions condemned by Paul were practicing SORCERY. Lynn Anderson uses terms right out of Neo-Paganism

It has been a millenium (Jubilee 2000) phenomena that certain marginal minds deliberately went out of control and used "christian colleges" and "churches" as their institution.

If you hear people self-selected to SPEAK FOR God and tell you that non-instrumental churches SOWED DISCORD and HATRED by refusing to be FORCED into introducing instruments when none of the involved denominations had EVER used instruments then you know that you are seeing a MENTAL DISORDER. And it is a fact, that the RELIGION which goes along with such a spectacle SAW mental, emotional or sexual abnormality as PROOF that they were moved by the spirit of the gods. That was the message of Paul to the Corinthians who composed songs out of THEIR OWN SPIRIT and arranged them in the language and style of their native dialect (tongues were minor dialects). They boasted of literal INCEST, we boast about INTELLECTUAL INCEST.

Others have called this "the holiness of sin." By sinning, grace may abound and the thumbed-nose is given to old moral values because, in one pattern, you simply have to burn down the old world order in imitation of the Aztec jubilee before your new "lighted fires" can be restored to all of the houses (congregations). Remember that the newly hatched Grace-Centered concept confesses: "Yes, we are sinning, so what is it to you, grace covers all." Don't believe it. It is not GRACE-CENTERED but SELF-CENTERED.

"It could never happen in the intellectual 21st century!" Of course, in their spirit most people are still wild hunter-gatherers whose sexual ritual is SORCERY to guarantee a good hunt---or more SEEKERS to help our budget.

The musicians and false preachers CONFESS that they USE music and musicians to create a spiritual elffect. They are practicing WITCHCRAFT OR SORCERY and they will never give it up. You must see this as God pouring out His Wrath (making them buffoons) as the MARK.

It is a fulfilled MARK that:
    although the majority of professing Christians today are unable to recognise that.

Look up: your redemption grows closer, praise the Lord!

Ken Sublett

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Occult denies Godhead and GROWS

April 15 2004, 4:53 PM 

The reproaches of CHRIST cause the traitors to abandon the ONLY name of God because they do not have the Spirit of Christ as proven by their treatment of Baptism. Isn't it interesting that the BELIEVETH NOTS who do not believe what Jesus Christ said about salvaton are defined as TREACHEROUS. Not just uninformed: eternal traitors.

The message of Apollo or Abaddon or Apollyon unleashing the LOCUSTS which are the Muses or musical performers is that those with the musical mark (History is certain about that) chases away those with the Mark of Christ, His Word and the seal of baptism. At the same time, we are certain that ALL musical terms--including MELODY--are warfare words of those who are taking you CAPTIVE. The task of the locusts or musical performers under Apollo is to take captive and TORTURE the lost with music turned by a Satanic lie into a "spiritual" feeling.

They turn to music because of the reproach of Christ, His task as TEACHER and the Word as RESOURCE. The REPROACHES are often hatched up by those selling books and sermons who know there is not much TRAFFICK in a literate, faithful church.

Another MARK is that they CUT UP the Godhead like a pecan pie contrary to all history which speaks of the TRINITY nature but NEVER a tri-cut of the Godhead. The term CHURCH OF GOD gives them the excuse to adopt it as the NAME of their witness to the world because THEIR Christ is assuredly not the Christ of the Bible.

There are DOZENS of passages which prove that the NAME of God is Jesus, Joshua or Jehovah-Saves. And that when we see CHURCH OF GOD the context shows that it is IN CHRIST. Those awake with their clothes with them can grasp two doctrines: First, that since things equal to the same thing are equal to one another the CHRIST OF GOD is GOD annointing and indwelling Jesus. Secondly, because the GODHEAD pre Lucado / Shelly is NEVER seen as separated into persons (people), there are not TWO people over Whom the carnal mind can SOW DISCORD. The church of God is the church of Christ ans so proclaims the Bible and all of church history:

When we speak of CHURCH we praise and worship CIRCE the holy whore of Paul's Patmos arena. She seduced using MUSIC and drugs which also means "magical incantations." Praise songs are "sorcery" because they attempt to change the Mind of God or mankind by the "Old Wive's Tales" which included the matical enchantments of the OLD, dead women which became cataloged or in the SONG BOOK to be used by others. To sing their magical songs made them SORCERERS. The Greek culture sees CANTUS and MUSICA as a weapon of warfare just as is the word MELODY. It means to FRIGHTEN and AFFLICT people and TRAFFIC on the lie that it is the SPIRIT PERSON jumping and jiving.

Our Word GOD is derived from GAD the hostile tribe and the GOD OF FORTUNE.

To remove one's identity as belonging to CHRIST is to deny His unique ownership as the ONE and ONLY God of the universe.

Paul defined pagan religions ALL built on MUSICAL PREFERENCE (Orphic and Dionysiac) and in Romans 15 defined the Synagogue where we do not PLEASE in the sense of exciting the PLEASURE CENTERS (which would make it adulterous):
    For even Christ PLEASED NOT himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Rom 15:3

    For whatsoever things were WRITTEN AFORETIME were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Rom 15:4

    Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Rom 15:5

    That ye may with ONE MIND and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 15:6

    Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us, to the glory of God. Rom 15:7

The only SPEAKING role in the church is assigned to the Pastor- Teachers: If they hire a hireling then they are bringing on the WRATH of God. Wrath is defined as making a BUFFOON out of those who would RISE UP and become a JESTER as the MARK that the group has been ABANDONED without redemption:
    If any man SPEAK,
    let him speak (Eph 5:19)as the ORACLES of God;
    if any man MINISTER, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
    that God in all things may be GLORIFIED through Jesus Christ, to whom be PRAISE and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

Paul spoke but the deaf and blind CANNOT HEAR that the way to GLORIFY GOD is to SPEAK with one mind and one mouth "that which is written" which is by the Spirit of Christ (1 Pet 1:11; Rev 19:10). What CANNOT our "doctors of the law" understand about the word SPEAK?

The elders MUST "teach that whichhas been taught" or they are the WOLVES Paul warned about. If you have talent--say singing in an entertaining (effeminate) style then by all means go to the nursing home and MINISTER.


People who have REPUDIATED Christ by claiming that the Name of Christ is a REPROACH which hinders breaking down the walls are letting the BEAST PEOPLE in (Amos, Isaiah 5). It is a FACT that the REPROACHES are brought by the same people who want to MAKE MERCHANDISE of you--They have LOST their blessings and TURNED COWARD (the role of music did this) and repudiated CHRIST because they JUST COULDN'T BEAR their tiny invoice of the BURDEN:
    If ye be REPROACHED for the NAME of CHRIST, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe.4:14
Reproach is exactly what singing, clapping and doing "body worship" (spiritual nakedness or showing the private parts) INTENDS TO ACCOMPLISH.
    Oneidizo (g3679) on-i-did'-zo; from 3681; to defame, i.e. rail at, chide, taunt: - cast in teeth, (suffer) reproach, revile, upbraid.

    Blessed are ye, when men shall HATE YOU, and when they shall SEPARATE you from their COMPANY, and shall REPROACH you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of mans sake. Lu.6:22

Been there; Done that. There can be NO DOUBT when people APPLAUD (and therefore REPROACH others) churches for a sudden INRUSH of people as soon as they REMOVE THE NAME OF CHRIST. Most of these "growth" gurus have already TAKEN CAPTIVE another church just waiting for you to remove the REPROACH. Oak Hills VISIONS being the MOTHER CHURCH of San Antonio (or is that a lie?)

    Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.Heb.11:26
I would esteem Donnie as being the always-tiny REMNANT whom I have never caught in even a minor failure to grasp the WORD of Christ (which is the Spirit and Life of Christ. Jn 6:63). At the same time, those who ESTEEM success and musical (sexual) stimulation NEVER miss a tiny chance to REPROACH him for just speaking what Jesus and His inspired team recorded. The same MOCKERS would just looovveee-uh to take down that Christ sign and replace Him with COMMUNITY. One Greek word for living in community means a MONASTERY. Community as FAMILIA demands a MASTER OF THE HOUSE.

In the mind of Paul "Fools love to be fooled." Rubel Shelly uses the Exodus and Wilderness as a PATTERN FOR CHRISTIAN WORSHIP and COMMUNITY (commune where you have LOST your right to read, understand and teach the Word of God. This is what the Catholics have been afflicted with.) And that is why no "audience" of these groups will DARE question "god's annointed"

    Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his sons name, if thou canst tell? Pr.30:4

    Therefore if any man be IN CHRIST, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Acts 5:17

    And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 2 Cor 5:18
    To wit, that God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
    not imputing their trespasses unto them;
    and hath committed unto us the WORD of reconciliation. 2 Cor 5: 19
    Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christs stead, be ye reconciled to God. 2 Cor 5: 20

    For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness OF GOD in him. 2 Cor 5: 21

    But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Ac.8:12

The NAME (singular) of the so-called baptismal formula proves that Jesus Christ is the NAME of Father, Son and Spirit. Therefore, Paul baptized on Pentecost in the NAME of Jesus Christ.
    Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 1Co.1:2
We will look at other proofs that GOD as Christ came into the world and lived in a human body. The SON is the physical manifestation of the invisible FATHER. To separate the Godhead into a FAMILY of GODS is a unique heresy in the history of the Church. The LUST to remove the name CHRIST and depend on the hallucinated PERSON of a separated Spirit of Christ is intended to do an END RUN around what Christ in the flesh taught and inspired. The NAME of Father, Son and Spirit is Jesus Christ. Removing His name because of SELF-INVENTED reproaches is a TERMINAL REPUDIATION of all that we know about God.

Ken Sublett

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Re: Occult denies Godhead and GROWS

April 16 2004, 8:53 AM 

No Ken, that one is not a lie, and, believe it or not, I agree with you 100% on that one.

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David played upon a harp

November 20 2004, 9:59 AM 

And in the Jerusalem temple, musicical instuments were played in their worship. How do you feel about that?

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David did OTHER things!

November 20 2004, 3:29 PM 

A young lady in Seattle approached me after a Bible class:

"Ken, you have a great brain: just like fine cheese -- SWISS."

Well, Lynn, there are LOTS of holes in the knowledge base of all who depend on CHURCHING instead of SYNAGOGUING as the way to worship God. Like the Buffalo path which became the Indian trail which became the Oregon Train which became a super-highway, we still take the same curved path but HAVE FORGOTTEN why we are ANTI as they like to call us.

The blind spot begins in Egypt: God's justice would have left them there to self-destruct. However, He had made a prophecy AND the Israelites were so ungodly that they were giving Him a black eye. So, He rescued them and gave them another chance by restating the Abrahamic Covenant of Grace. The Bible calls it The Book of the Covenant. The Israelites subscribed to the oral covenant but before the "ink" could get dry while Moses was back up on Sinai getting the 70 enabling rules, the people ROSE UP TO PLAY. That was the musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity under the image of the golden calf (calves?).

God took away The Book of the Covenant symbolized by Moses breaking the ten "words." These words or commandments were NEVER restated in their GRACE form. The "because of transgression" spoken about by Paul was musical idolatry. God gave them The Book of the Law and promised them that they would be regulated but would go into captivity and death which they had EARNED the old fashioned way with MUSICAL IDOLATRY instead of spiritual worship which is NOT charismatic but IN THE HUMAN MIND. God made all but the LEVI tribe "strangers." This meant that they would never be allowed to approach God's symbolic presence in the Tabernacle or ANYWHERE. The priests bore the burden both physically and liturgically to slaughter any surplus innocent animals. This was to make them aware of just how sinful sin was. No singer, musician or speaker could enter into the Holy Place which was a carnal type of the body or church of Christ as seen in the three emblems of a "synagogue."

When Israel's elders "fired" God it was, in effect, firing Christ Who was The Spirit of Christ or God. God knew that it was so that they could to WORSHIP LIKE THE NATIONS. He warned that the KING would take the TITHE for himself and their daughters to serve him and his "ministry team" and the boys to make INSTRUMENTS OF CHARIOTS. These were musical instruments which all earthly potentates used to BLAST the 'congregation' out of the way. We have lots of data and images of INSTRUMENTS OF CHARIOTS.

Ezekiel says that God gave Israel kings in His anger and took them away in His anger. Judah was no different except they had a few good kings. David was one of the kings God choose to lead them with some mercy on their way to Babylon.

When David sinned so that plagues broke out on the people, Gad, the king's SEER (stargazer) got the message that David would be permitted to offer sacrifices in a Jebusite High Place later identified as Jerusalem and Sodom. Scholars agree that this was an alternative altar for ADDITIONAL sacrifices. When David made his PLAGUE STOPPING animal sacrifices there is no evidence that he used instruments. However, his plans for Solomon's future was that the musicians would be under the KING and the COMMANDERS OF THE ARMY. Only "draft age" males were MUSTERED in the three annual festivals. One might take one year's tithe, convert it into money, LAY IT BY IN STORE BY HIMSELF, go to Jerusalem and "eat, drink and be merry." These were NOT festivals for the common civilian population. It might be over 200 years between the MUSICAL passages which define PURIFICATION or DEDICATION animal sacrifices for kings, temple, city, nation. But NEVER for congregational singing with instrumental accompaniment. This does not prevent the new COMMERCIAL CHURCHES from lying that "why, they made music all of the time."

David was king and not a "worship leader." He never performed publicly except in his MORTAL, FEARFUL moving of the Ark of the Covenant. Then, the same MOUNT SINAI concept of RISING UP TO PLAY is used of David as he sang, danced the spinning 'till I puke' dance, played his harp, stopped often to make animal sacrifices, lost his EPHOD (the feminine priestly garment) until his wife saw him as what SHE defined as NAKED. Not to worry David says, "I will be held in honor by the slave girls." David used the PRAISE word which means to MAKE SELF VILE or INSANE. Sure, spinning till you puked or singing, playing and drinking till you puked was PROOF that the gods were inside. They tell the same lie about "intoxicated on ignorance" in "musical worship" which is always defined as polluting.

The non-military age including men, women and children were never REQUIRED to attend these festivals. Other than the festivals, the Sabbaths were never called A DAY OF WORSHIP but A DAY OF REST. Any community with ten males and a qualified teacher or portions of the Word held A HOLY CONVOCATION but could not travel to the normal BABYLONIAN SABBATH "worship services." This word means to READ or REHEARSE the Word. They depended heavily on Oral "Scripture" and this is what Paul demanded when He said TEACH and not SING. By learning a new portion of the Law [read through in a three year cycle where we have evidence] they could do exactly what early Christians did: they could return to their NORMAL LIVES and "sing and make melody IN THEIR HEART." Our kids sing obscene lyrics which are WRITTEN ON THEIR HEARTS and we make sure that they AIN'T A GONNA HEAR NO SCRIPTURE to be embedded in their hearts throughout the week.

With Jesus, the SPIRITUAL person who would be both KING and PRIEST on "one throne" it is proclaimed that DAVID IS DEAD and you can still see his tomb. On the other hand, "Elijah" came to prepare the way and Paul defines Baptism as the "saved by faith" promised to Abraham so that we are spiritual Israelites. The Monarchy was against God's will and everything that is recorded is for our admonition but NOT for our WORSHIP PATTERN. David praised God for letting him put his heels on and shed the blood OF the Gentiles. Jesus the Spiritual king/priest would shed HIS blood FOR the Gentiles. Unless we are going to shed the blood of Jesus in the parking lot we had better not be caught CLAIMING to be Levitical singers taking the TITHES AND OFFERINGS.

I will fill in some links. Ken

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RE: David Played upon a Harp

November 20 2004, 4:53 PM 

It's been stressed over and over again too many times on this site that music played on instruments was proper for worship in the Law of Moses. That changed when Christ came along. Even though Christ forever laid to rest the Old Law with His death, burial, and resurrection, people still insist on following both the Law of Moses, as far as using musical instruments is concerned, and the Law of Christ in the New Testament as well, which mentions absolutely nothing about the use of musical instruments. If you follow the Law of Moses, then you MUST adhere to it completely by observing ALL of the sacrifices and ALL the other rituals as prescribed therein, or you violate the Old Law. Read Eph. 5:19. We are commanded to use ONLY the human voice as music in our worship, NOTHING else. Just because Christ didn't say not to, we must NOT presume that we can add instrumental music to worship. We may be "free in Christ," but we are not free to do as we please. Since we cannot serve two masters, God and mammon, we also cannot serve two laws, the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ.

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April 16 2004, 6:12 PM 

There is NOTHING Satan had rather do than to find "agents" to tear down the public testimony (martyrdoon) of the name of CHRIST. Repudiating the entire Bible and church history to RESTORE the Music word, and to repudiate Babptism (vipers love dry and arid places) are the TWO important identifiers of a church of Christ. Therefore, all of these will be found in one bundle of end time MARKS.

Christ is God's personal anointing of the "balm of Gilead" AFTER believers have been "washed" by Him. His ARM is His Redeemer. Therefore, the CHRIST or ARM or whatever name is GOD PERSONALLY but invisibly working for the redemption of a SMALL REMNANT through teaching supernatural wisdom. A church might claim to be Catholic or universal but it called itself the church of Christ even though it fell into apostasy.

The word FAMILY goes along with the revival of SHEPHERDING where Rubel Shelly etal see the "church" as a cummune which attempts to gather FUNDS and EVERY WAKING MOMENT into a commune: even interpreting and reading the BIBLE is now a COMMUNAL practice. The Greek FAMILIA speaks of the "father" as a tyrant who has life and death control of his children and wife as PROPERTY. If they question his "anointing" he can just kill them or CHASE OFF THE OLD GREY HAIRS.

Everyone has the right to reject the Bible but doing so means with certainty that these people CANNOT be CHRISTIANS or Disciples of Christ where we come to HIM if we want to learn. Modern sermonizing is a MARK that God is pouring out His wrath by making sOPHISts, rhetoricians and musicians into BUFFOONS. Be totally assured that most of the NEW GROWTH comes to laugh at and not WITH the theatrical performers. Now, look at a few of the instances where the church of GOD is the church of CHRIST because He is the CHRIST OF GOD or God's visible anointing of Spirit through the Word.

    For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. Acts 20:27
    Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers,

    to feed the church of God,

    which he hath purchased with his own blood. Acts 20:28

Does GOD have blood? Not as Spirit. But as God's Christ or annointed in whom He dwelled, he had flesh and blood. The Holy Spirit also has a Name: to Paul it was "Jesus of Nazareth."

1 Cor. 1:2
    Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, (God at work ruling) both theirs and ours: 1 Cor 1:2
1 Cor 15:9
    For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Cor 15:3

    And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor 15:4

    Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Ro.6:6

    I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.Ga.2:20

Gal. 1:13
    For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: Gal 1:13

    And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ. Gal 1:22

Epesians 5:23
    For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body Ep.5:23

    Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Ep.5:24

    Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it ;Ep.5:25

    This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ep.5:32

Colossians 1:23
    Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his bodys sake, which is the church: Col.1:24

Now, think about this: Jesus defined His role as SON by the fact that He spoke only what He heard from th Father But, Jesus said that He had the FATHER with Him. Therefore, the WORD of God sounded fourth only what the THOUGHT spoke. This is the almost universal meaning before Lucado and Shelly. The SPIRIT is the breath of God by which the Word is sounded forth. Sure, "Spirit" is a He because His name is Jesus of Nazareth or Jehovah- Saves.
    And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the SON of the living God. Matthew 16:16

    He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God. Lu.9:20
What is the CHRIST OF GOD?

No, we do not get an option about what to call the CHURCH or the BODY of Christ. This data is to prove that the CHRIST of God left Glory just as God sent His ARM as Intercessor or Mediator. The name of God has always been a form of Jehovah- Saves. Zechariah identified Joshua the Branch or Jesus as Jehovah- Saves. There is salvation in NO OTHER NAME. When pal Rubel Shelly pronounces (and outlaws your exegeting) that there are only seven facts ABOUT Jesus which are allowed to be questioned, and when Lucado / Shelly restore Tritheism or Polytheism in the form of "three persons who are separated" you know that you are under attack.

I am stupified that so many claim to be DOMINANT PASTORS with the right to the TITHE or the LAW OF GIVING. Even with advanced degrees they CANNOT grasp that the concept of "music" is associated with sorcery in a religious sense. And yet, without expending one brain cell the INMATES obey because the DOMINANTS speak of love but even an overdose of the word proves that you had BETTER NOT question them. This forum is filled with people frightened to death. Jesus died to set you free from CEREMONIAL RITUALS which produce that overdose of anxiety just like the beer salesmen.

Is the Whole Life Discipleship a warning that you, as an individual had better not be caught interpreting the Bible as an INDIVIDUAL and certainly you MUST NOT teach it OUTSIDE of the community. I have wondered if that is not a threat which keeps people SO SILENT when not to speak is cowardice.


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Sabbath to quarantine the OCCULT

April 17 2004, 5:16 PM 


The Jews were NEVER commanded to WORSHIP on the Sabbath. The Babylonian Sabbath let the "god's agents" rest while the people "worshipped" in the form of providing an INCOME, food, entertainment and even sexual favors.

God began creation on the FIRST day and rested on the SEVENTH day. After that God continued to work on the EIGHTH day and needed no rest or CEASATON from creation. This happened ONLY ONCE.

After Israel sinned almost beyond redemption, he SECOND LAW was in addition to the BOOK OF THE COVENANT which Israel repudiated by musical idolatry, God altered the Sabbath to mean a remembrance of His rescue of the Israelites from Egypt. Sabbath means REST. In the Greek world at the time it also meant WEEK. The church met on the FIRST of the SABBATH to listen to and DIALOG the Word of God. This did not contradict the Jews keeping the Sabbath holy in the sense of CESSATION FROM ALL SERVILE WORK.

Because they were going into Canaan where the Babylonian sabbath was practiced, God quarantined them from travel and restricted them to their homes on that WEEKLY SABBATH.

    The seventh day is the feast of Marduk and Zarpanit.
    It is an evil day.
    The SHEPHERD of the great people shall not eat
    flesh cooked on the coals which is smoked.
    The garment of his body he shall not change;

    A clean one he shall not put on.
    A sacrifice he shall not offer.
    The king in a chariot shall not ride.

    In TRIUMPH he shall not SPEAK.
    In the secret place a seer shall not give an oracle.
    The physician shall not lay his hand on the sick.

    It is not fitting to utter a malediction.

They were never commanded to ATTEND CHURCH on that day but they were to GIVE ATTENDANCE to the reading of the Word in small groups within the limits of the travel restriction. Here are some of the warnings of the OCCULT:
    Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord. Lev 19:28
When in contest with Elijah, the Ball prophets and priests finally reached the point of cutting themselves. However, the common ritual of BOWING TO BAAL meant that homosexual prophesiers worked themselves up to a charismatic frenzy with singing, dancing, and instruments. Homosexuality was common to those prophesiers even as it was among the Jews who had converted to Dionysus and Zeus worship. They tried to induce the initiation into Jesus and others by PIPING hoping they would join the singing and dancing.
    Do not PROSTITUTE thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness. Lev 19:29
Prostitutes (male and female) always meant MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS to ATTRACT customers.
    Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal'; to wound...denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute)...take inheritance, PIPE, PLAYER on INSTRUMENTS, pollute...PROSTITUTE, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
HALAL form of praise most often speaks of, like David, making self VILE. The Greek number is h1986. The word LUCIFER is derived from HALAL which is much the same as cHALAL.
    Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your DWELLINGS. Lev 23:3

    These are the feasts of the Lord, even HOLY CONVOCATIONS, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. Lev 23:4

    In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lords passover. Lev 23:5

    And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. Lev 23:6

    In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lords passover. Lev 23:5

    And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. Lev 23:6

    In the FIRST DAY ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Lev 23:7

    But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the SEVENTH DAY is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Lev 23:8

A holy Convocation is an assembly in community groups:
    Miqra (h4744) mik-raw'; from 7121; something called out, i. e. a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the place); also a rehearsal: - assembly, calling, convocation, READING.
A holy convocation (Paul repeated this) was for READING of the Word. A MEETING does not authorize a CULT STRUCTURE of "ministries" to regulate people's lives ALL WEEK LONG. h7121 is like EKKLESIA in that it was a called out assembly to preach meaning READING the Word.

The first form of PREACHING which was condemned as heresy was a professional TELLING BIBLE STORIES in his own words!
    So they READ in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the READING. Ne.8:8

    Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days: on the FIRST DAY shall be a SABBATH, and on the EIGHTH DAY shall be a sabbath. Le.23:39

Servile is:
    Abodah (h5656) ab-o-daw'; from 5647; work of any kind:- act, bondage, / bondservant, effect, labour, ministering (-try), office, service (-ile, -itude), tillage, use, work, * wrought
This is OUTLAWED on the Sabbath REST. Because the FIRST DAY is the Christian rest or sabbath, it would be unlawful to impose the ABODAH "wervice" on the church of Christ:

In the NIV
    David, together with the commanders of the army, set apart some of the sons of Asaph, Heman and Jeduthun for the ministry ( Abodah h5656 or servile WORK) of prophesying, accompanied by harps, lyres and cymbals. Here is the list of the men who performed this SERVICE: [Abodah (h5656)] 1 Chron 25:1NIV
Because they had FIRED GOD and demanded a king LIKE THE NATIONS so that they could WORSIP like the nations, this service has the same meaning as:
    Abad (h6) aw-bad'; a prim. root; prop. to wander away, i. e. lose oneself; by impl. to perish (caus. destroy): - break, destroy (- uction), / not escape, fail, lose, (cause to, make) perish, spend, * and surely, take, be undone, * utterly, be void of, have no way to flee.

    Abaddown h11) ab-ad-done'; intens. from 6; abstr. a perishing; concr. Hades: - destruction.

Work is:
    Melakkah (h4399) mel-aw-kaw'; from the same as 4397; prop. deputyship, i. e. ministry; gen. employment (never servile) or work (abstr. or concr.); also property (as the result of labor): - business, * cattle, * industrious, occupation, (* -pied), * officer, thing (made), use, (manner of) work ([man], -manship).
Of the king of Tyre as the AGENT of Lucifer:
    Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the WORKMANSHIP of thy tabrets and of thy PIPES was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze.28:13
This parallels the end time Tyrian or Babylonian harlot worship:

Apollo (Abad, Abaddon, Apollyon) will arouse the LOCUSTS which were once MUSES or musicians. Thy will inflict and mark the lost with MUSIC which derives from Apollo's Twanging Arrows to send DINGING arrows to sting you to spiriutal death.

Sure, like Pharisees, they don't hesitate to EAT UP widow's houses while performing rituals condemned for the Sabbath

    And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22

    Technites (g5079) tekh-nee'-tace; from 5078; an ARTISAN; fig. a FOUNDER (Creator): - builder, craftsman.

    Techne (g5078) tekh'-nay; from the base of 5088; art (as productive), i.e. (spec.) a trade, or (gen.) skill: - art, craft, occupation.

    Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this CRAFT we have our wealth. Ac.19:25

The workman or TECHNITES includes rhetoricians, sOPHISts, singers and musicians. The Old Testament holy convocationd would also exclude traveling preachers as WORK and a burden because most disobey concept and WORK when they do not GIVE ATTENDANCE TO THE PUBLIC READING OF THE WORD. The Hebrew word is:
    Malok (h4397) mal-awk'; from an unused root mean. to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; spec. of God, i. e. an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.
Next, we will look at the New Testament. Jesus Christ was resurrected on the FIRST OF THE SABBATH. Both the FIRST and SEVENTH were used for holy convocations which had and has the primary meaning of READING the Word of God. Paul agreed that the assembly was a form of the word "synagogue" and the almost-unique "worship" Word was to give heed to the Word. The REST of the Seventh outlawed exactly what we identify as SUNDAY WORSHIP which is LADING BURDENS Jesus died to lift.

The Greek world saw crafts or professions in connection with religion as SORCERY. It still: Jesus and Paul sent the evangelists out to teach or preach. Other than that there can be NO PROFESSIONS in a Christian "synagogue" where there never was "a praise service." You have been taken captive.

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Legal Ceremonials a MARK

April 19 2004, 8:58 AM 

God in Christ (Messiah) FULFILLED the REST promises which were made BEFORE Israel sinned and were given the whole LAW OF MOSES because of the transgression of POLLUTING sabbaths or "days of rest." The HOLY CONVOCATIONS of Israel were to LISTEN to the READING Word. Musical idolatry WAS the "because of transgression" which lost them the COVENANT OF GRACE.

To see how God sent His CHRIST or ARM to give us REST from the LADED BURDEN of "spiritual anxiety created by religious CEREMONIAL" it is important to see the EXODUS and whole MONARCHY period as a PARENTHETICAL picture of evil. Paul leap-frogged this period and associated Christianity with the Patriarchial period of Faith. Abraham was justified by FAITH when he kept all of God's laws and commandments. Paul identifies that as salvation by faith BECAUSE we have been baptized.

At Mount Sinai, God gave them Sabbaths as a Sign But they Polluted the Sabbaths. The "sabbaths" were not ASTRIAL GOD oriented toward "keeping of times, months, seasons." The REST of God involved only ONE SEVENTH DAY for all eternity. However, God gave the people sabbaths (plural) which were "One out of Seven." When at Mount Sinai they ROSE UP TO PLAY they were practicing the Babylonian or Egyptian or Canaanite sabbath which included singing, playing instruments, clapping, dancing, raising "unholy" hands ans sexual perversion.

God saw this as their PRAYER to worship like the nations (Goyim). He answered their prayer and TURNED THEM OVER to worship the STARRY HOST (Acts 7, etc, etc, etc). This included Saturn which in Chaldee is 666. God also gave them a FIRST DAY sabbath and a SEVENTH DAY sabbath for rest and reading the Word.

1. The sabbaths were NOT moon, sun or planet (wandering star) oriented but related to a certain day of certain months. This totally disconnected the festivals (of muster age males only) from Astrology.
    Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them. Ezekiel 20: 12

    BUT the house of Israel rebelled against me in the WILDERNESS: they WALKED NOT in my STATUTES, and they DESPISED my JUDGMENTS, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them. Ezekiel 20: 13

    "And the people celebrated this feast with BURNT-offerings and THANK-offerings, with eating and drinking, i.e. with SACRIFICIAL meals and sports, or with loud rejoicing, shouting, antiphonal songs, and dances, in the same manner in which the Egyptians celebrated their feast of Apis (Herod. 2, 60, and 3, 27)." (Keil and Delitzsch, Vol. II, p. 222).

Polluted has the following defitions; NONE of which relate to Spiritual worship?
    Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal'; a prim. root [comp. 2470]; prop. to bore, i. e. (by impl.) to wound, to dissolve; fig. to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), to begin (as if by an "opening wedge"); denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute): - begin (* men began), defile, * break, defile, * eat (as common things), * first, * gather the grape thereof, * take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound
This is translated as CAST OUT (as Jesus CAST OUT the minstrels 'like dung.") Satan then showed up in the garden of Eden as the Serpent or "musical enchanter."

2. God did not command sacrifices as a "price" in order to bring Israel from bondage, through the "death and baptism" in the Red Sea, and to "recreate" them when safe from Pharaoh. Rather, He restated the Covenant made with Abraham. It was called The Book of the Covenant.
    And he took the book of the covenant, and READ in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. Exodus 24:7 Qara (h7121) kaw-raw'; meaning, "to call out to call forth, guest, invite, preach, (make) proclaim (- ation), pronounce, publish, read, renowned, say.

Preach always meant to go out and CALL people to hear the Word. The first FALSE preaching as apostasy ceased to READ the Word "as it has been taught" and began to tell "Bible Stories" to entertain and AID God's Word

3. While Moses was back upon the mountain, Israel rejected their vows, "mocked" God and turned back to their old Egyptian Apis the calf. Aaron, as prophetic of most Israelite priests, said that the CALF SAVED them. This involved pagan revelry or play with music. Amos shows that Israel totally repeated this event at Samaria. This was Egyptian Calf Worship. The true evil was that it silenced READING THE WORD and the people went into Assyrian Captivity because of hunger and thirst for the WORD.

4. When the people worshipped the egyptian calf, Apis, at Mount Sinai, God "bound them with bonds which COULD NOT be loosed, with a mortifying burden and a hard collar." Many older scholars saw the 40 days as a TEST: Israel broke under the strain of not having a VISIBLE symbol of God and fell under MUSIC.

5. Moses BROKE the first tablets (70 conditional tenets as enabling legislation) and wrote a DIFFERENT SET along with The BOOK of the LAW which had 613 micvah. Ezekiel said they "were not good."

The older generation had been dropped off before the youth took over and led them into Canaan. However, the laws which they take with them are the laws of a totally secular "worship and community." This was is a BURDEN or QUARANTINE to prevent being CALLED OUT to the worship of Satan always with music.

6. God refused to go with Israel into Canaan in a personal way but sent His angel or presence to guide them. This presence was "the Spirit of Christ" in the image of Pillar, Rock, Water and Manna. The message was that God was not a national God and He could not be put in a box. God told Moses that His personal presence would cause Him to DESTROY them. The angel or the Spirit of Christ. End time Satan worshipers claim that the Exodus is "our pattern for worship and community." And so it has become for MOST religionists.

7.The Law and TEMPLE at Jerusalem were signs of slavery typified by Hagar. It is fitting that God under none of the names under which He was identified appeared to "Hagar types" in the wilderness. Rather, God sent His angel because "Ishmael" was not a covenant person. These slavery people showed up when Jethro held a FEAST which was not authorized and Moses attended.

Of Jerusalem now imitated in the NEW STYLE OF WORSHIP AND MUSIC:
    Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. Isaiah 1:10

    And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Rev11:8

8. Ezekiel 33 shows that the people wanted to treat God and Ezekiel as song-singing and instrument-playing prostitutes or Sodomites. The LOVE songs speak directly to the ORGAN Jubal taught people to HANDLE where HANDLE means "without authority."
    Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; Ezekiel 20:25
9. Arnobius represents ALL of the church Fathers who spoke on Mount Sinai and the polluting influence of music--including the use of music even in secular affairs by Christians.

Arnobius: "Let us then ever obey the voice of the divine word. For the to-day signifies eternity. And day is the symbol of LIGHT; and the light of men is the WORD, by whom we BEHOLD God. [This is defined in the New Testament as]
Blessed are the pure in heart:for they shall SEE God. Mt.5:8

Seeing ye have PURIFIED your souls in OBEYING the TRUTH through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart (mind, spirit) fervently: 1Pe.1:22

Purify is to MAKE HOLY: A spirit holy (g48)

Pure is Katharos which is from:
    Katarismos (g2512)
    kath-ar-is-mos'; from 2511; a washing off, i.e. (cer.) ablution, (mor.) expiation: - cleansing, / purge, purification, (-fying).

In Acts 2:38 that is the gift of A holy spirit and the same Peter in 1 Pe 3:21 says that it is a good conscience REQUESTED at baptism

Arnobius continues: "Rightly, then, to those that have believed and obey, grace will superabound; while with those that have been unbelieving, and err in heart, and have not known the Lord's ways, which John commanded to make straight and to prepare, God is incensed, and those He threatens.
    The Israelites had been BAPTIZED and received the guiding presence of God's Spirit (Christ). God then gave them THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT. They rose up in MUSICAL IDOLATRY of the Egyptian trinity and God broke His COVENANT and never restored it for Judaism.
Arnobius continues: "And, indeed, the old Hebrew wanderers in the desert received typically the end of the threatening;

"for they are said NOT to have entered into the REST, because of UNBELIEF,

"till, having followed the successor of Moses, they learned by experience, though late, that they could not be saved otherwise than by believing on Jesus.

"But the Lord, in His love to man, INVITES all men to the knowledge of the truth, and for this end sends the Paraclete. What, then, is this knowledge? Godliness; and "godliness," according to Paul, "is profitable for all things, having the promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. {1 Tim. iv. 8.} Arnobius, Against Heresies.'

God did not command animal sacrifices. The priests made offerings for the nation but individual sacrifices were voluntary:

    Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your BURNT OFFERINGS unto your SACRIFICES, and eat flesh. Jeremiah 7:21

    For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jeremiah 7: 22

    But this thing commanded I them, saying, OBEY MY VOICE, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. Jeremiah 7: 23

    But they hearkened not, nor INCLINED their EAR, but walked in the COUNSELS and in the IMAGINATIONS of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. Jeremiah 7: 24

    Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day, I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: Jeremiah 7: 25

    Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their EAR, but hardened their neck: they did WORSE than their FATHERS. Jeremiah 7: 26

    Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee. Jeremiah 7: 27

    But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that OBEYED NOT the voice of the Lord their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth. Jeremiah 7: 28

God in His Christ and Arm and Word CALLS people out of the world into Christ's Ekklesia or synagogue or SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE. " Church" has been defined to finance "doctors of the Law" to tell you that the Word of God is not suitable for THEIR SPEAKING. The reading is ignored and Satan fills in the BLANKS to keep you from RESTING and READING His Wod and to restrict you so that you cannot attend Ishtar Day Services.

Next, we will look at how Jesus Christ DIED to give you REST. Paul said that we "sunago" and the worship word is to GIVE ATTENDANCE TO THE READING OF THE WORD. You will notice that the Sabbath Rest included SPEAKING but prophets or priests could not trabel. The purpose was to READ the Word as it had been revealed to the. The TRUE Sabbath outlaws SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS. That outlaws preachers of "stuff" and musical performers. That leaves the Timothys to GIVE ATTENDANCE TO REACING the Word.

But they WILL NOT HEAR because Paul claimed in effect that "fools love to be fooled."

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Jesus gave us REST so that WE and read and learn

April 21 2004, 8:41 PM 

Both the FIRST DAY and SEVENTH DAY of the week-long festival were for a holy convocation. Hundreds of years later, Hezekiah held the festivals and repeated the ancient WORKS RITUAL of cleansing the literal temple. Hezekiah looked all of the way back to David who, for his own sins, had to cleanse the temple. None of the Levitical singers could enter into the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place--even to carry out the garbage.

Music and animal sacrifices went together. Nehemiah stated that:
    Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them RIGHT judgments, and true laws, GOOD STATUTES and COMMANDMENTS: Neh 9:13

    and madest known unto them thy holy sabbath,

    and COMMANDEST them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant: Neh 9:14

    Shabbath (h7676) shab-bawth'; intens. from 7673; intermission, i. e. (spec.) the Sabbath: - (/ every) sabbath.

    Shabath (h7673) shaw-bath'; a prim. root; to repose, i. e. desist from exertion; used in many impl. relations (caus., fig. or spec.): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

Many observers complain that the FIRST day has turned into pagan worship or religion: it is the most burdensome day of the week. Furthermore, they MISS Jesus Christ Who assembles with us so we can LEARN OF HIM. Selling God's FREE water of the Word.

We showed that in some cases the FIRST DAY was a sabbath: a sabbath does not mean Saturday but REST or "week." On the First and Seventh day a HOLY CONVOCATION included READING THE WORD.

The Sabbaths, whatever the day of the week, were not weekly "acts of worship." Instead, we noted above that the HOLY CONVOCATION means to READ the word or hear it read because there would not be many copies. This is exactly what Jesus and Paul commanded:


The activity of that date includes NOTHING of human invention; God still commandest precepts, statutes and laws. Rember the FAITH OF ABRAHAM?
    And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed (singular meaning Messiah) shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Gen 26:4

    Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Gen 26:5

The spiritual meaning was that if Israel obeyed God's laws, they would receive the GENTILES as part of the "tribes." Many churches which have had their lampstand removed want you to believe that God HAS NO commands for His "continuing" synagogue. Today, we honor God by often RESTING on the SEVENTH DAY without a holy convocation other than the personal "giving heed to the Word." The first day is another day for Holy Convocation where we ARE SUPPSED TO but rarely READ the Word as even Pauls direct command about "worship."
    Gowy (h1471) go'ee; rarely (short.) goy go'-ee; appar. from the same root as 1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (fig.) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts: - Gentile, heathen, nation, people

    Barak (h1288)baw-rak'; a prim. root; to kneel; by impl. to bless God (as an act of adoration), and (vice-versa) man (as a benefit)...

Before becomming your TEACHER God in Christ demands that you be washed or baptized. Those who "believeth not" in Christ and His commandments about batism are considered "treacheros people." Those who assemble to "LEARN OF ME" will hear Him in the Word as certainly as if we had been an eyewitness.

The Israelites almost never observered the festivals and therefore did not know the Word of God. God promised that He would send ANOTHER PROPHET like Moses and "Him you shall hear."
    At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast HID these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Matt 11:25

The WISE are the Sophists: they preach on anything as long as you pay him to be your SERPENT master
    But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. Matt 11:24

    Even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight Matt 11:26.

    All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Matt 11:27

    Come unto me all ye that labor and are HEAVY LADEN, and I will give you rest. Matt 11:28

    Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Matt 11:29

If you miss THIS POINT then you cannot be a Christian who is a disciple of the Words of Christ.

This ongoing of Holy Convocations to READ the word--Paul said that the elders must teach that which has been taught. The burden Jesus died to REMOVE is exactly the worship or religion of ceremonial rituals
    Threskos (g2357) thrace'-kos; prob. from the base of 2360; ceremonious in worship (as demonstrative), i.e. pious: - religious.
    1. religious worship
    2. esp. external, that which consists of ceremonies
    3. religious discipline, religion
    "Nor are these Thracian orgies, from which the word Worship (Threskos) is said to be derived; nor rites and mysteries of Orpheus, whom the Greeks admired so much for his wisdom that they devised for him a lyre which draws all things by its music.

    "Nor the tortures of Mithras which it is just that those who can endure to be initiated into such things should suffer

    "The term "religion" does not occur frequently in Scripture. In fact the term "religion" occurs less than ten times in the entire Bible. There are two terms translated "religion" in the New Testament. The first term used is THRESKEIA (qrhskeiva – Strong's #2356), which refers to external religious worship and ceremonial procedures (Acts 26:5; Colossians 2:18; James 1:26-27).

    Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee. Ac.26:5

Paul practiced "threskos" and was a Pharisee. He was busily engaged in killing people who would not practice the OUTWARD CEREMONIES.

If you are consumed by DOING acts and even hiring professional sOPHISTs and musicians it is for the expressed purpose of the "worship team leading you into the presence of God." Of course, false sophists or rhetoricians are in all of the literature practicing SORCERY. You are ingaged in ceremonial legalism and no person's legalism can be as terminal as teaching and believing that Jesus died to remove.

These Prophets, Chanellers and Facilitators have restored ancient paganism. In Amos 4; 6; and 8; and Isaiah 5 prove that RELIGIOUS RITUALS cause the "audience" and "tithers" to die spiritually because they have had the Word deliberately removed. Furthermore, as part of the shepherding or discipling system they DENY you the right to read, interpret and teach the Word UNLESS it is all controlled by the COMMUNITY or commune.

You are in a CULT and your "religion" proves that you are in BONDAGE to the top gun. You CANNOT join in this forum without LOOSING your "inner circle" standing. If you want to be a Christian you will have to become a Disciple and never again let any human steal the free water of the Word from you.

The sabbaths were to hear the Word and not to go TERMINAL by hiring someone to do your LEARNING; and reading, interpreting and teaching the Word.

If a "church" and its "worship" looks like ceremonial ceremonies then you are in a CULT. If church looks like a school of the Bibe then it may be an ekklesia then Jesus will meet you there.

The word LEGALISM applies only to those who follow the PATTERNISM of Greek, pagan and perverted ceremonies. The more they try to ride on your backs seven days a week the more you are in a CULT and the PERFORMING ARTISTS practice the OCCULT.

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Anti-Edification is of the OCCULT

April 23 2004, 1:17 PM 

BUILDS UP THE BODY: People have believed the lie that if church "music" strokes their pleasure zones then they have been edified. Builds up is EDIFICATION and edification is EDUCATION. Tell me, if you can, how the moral life has improved while the ANTIS still hold stolen goods?

Webster: Edification 1. The act of edifying, or the state of being edified; a building up, especially in a MORAL or SPIRITUAL sense; moral, intellectual, or spiritual improvement; INSTRUCTION.

"edification n : uplifting enlightenment [syn: {sophistication}]

"Out of these MAGAZINES I shall supply the town with what may tend to their EDIFICATION. --Addison.

And Paul said:
    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti.3:16

    That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim 3:17

Liddell and Scott

aedifica-tio , o-nis, f. [aedifico] .
    III. Fig., building up, INSTRUCTION, edification.

    (a). Absol.: loquitur ad AEDIFICATIONEM , Vulg. 1 Cor. 14, 3 ; 14, 26.

    (b). With gen.: ad aedificationem Ecclesiae (assembly), Vulg. 1 Cor. 14, 12 ; ib. Eph. 4, 12.

One form of PROPHESYING always meant "to sing, dance, clap and play instruments" or to sing enchantments (charms) to legalistically try to change God or the paying "audience."

The word which defines EDIFICATION is:
    loquor , ca-tus (quu-tus), loqui ... to talk, WHISPER; ... to speak, talk, say in the language of common life, in the tone of CONVERSATION; cf. Quint. 9, 4, 10; 11, 3, 45).

    Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. Isa 46:10

    Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it. Isa 2:19

    But the Lord is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him. Isa 2:20

laskô in contrast also means:
    I. to RING, rattle, crash, lake CHALKOS

    Il.; lake d' ostea the bones cracked, broke with a crash, id=Il.
Sounding brass is from: "making a loud noise, to reverberate, echo: like effeminate vibrato:
    Chalkos (g5475) khal-kos'; perh. from 5465 through the idea of hollowing out as a vessel (this metal being chiefly used for that purpose); copper (the substance, or some implement or coin made of it): - brass, money.

    And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Lu.21:25

    Echeo (g2278) ay-kheh'-o; from 2279; to make a loud noise, i.e. reverberate: - roar, sound.

    Alalazo (g214) al-al-ad'-zo; from alale, (a shout, "halloo"); to vociferate, i.e. (by impl.) to wail; fig. to clang: - tinkle, wail

    And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly. Mk.5:38

laskô also means:
    II. of animals, to shriek, scream, of the falcon, oxu lelêkôs id=Il.; of the nightingale in the falcon's talons, ti lelêkas; Hes.; also of DOGS, to HOWL [Catamites wandered around howling like dogs to attract other dogs}
    III. of men, to shout, SCREAM, cry aloud, Aesch., Soph., etc.; ti lela_kas; Ar.; mê nun lakêsêis id=Ar.:--hence of Oracles, to noise abroad, Aesch., etc.: also, to SING, pros aulon Eur.
    2. c. acc. cogn. to shriek forth, utter aloud, Trag.
    V. to crack or BURST ASUNDER, NTest.

klazô , fut. klanxô A.Pers.948
    1. of birds, scream, 2. of dogs, bark,

    3. of things, as of ARROWS in the quiver, CLASH, rattle, eklanxan d ar' oïstoi Il.1.46 ; of the wind, WHISTLE, aipsa gar êlthe keklêgôs Zephuros Od.12.408 ; of wheels, creak, A. Th.205 (lyr.): c.acc. cogn., klazousi kôdônes PHOBON ring forth terror , ib.386; ti neon eklage salpinx . . aoidan; B.17.3; of the sea, roar, eklagen de pontos Id.16.127 ; of the MUSICIANS, kitharai klazeis paianas melpôn E.Ion905 (lyr.); of PAN ON HIS PIPES , h.Pan.14; klazeis melisma luras (of the tettix) AP7.196 (Mel.)

    4. of men, shout, scream, oxea keklêgôs Il.2.222 , 17.88: c. acc. cogn., shout aloud, ring forth

    5. less frequently of ARTICULATE sound,

The TETTIX are the Locust which have been returned from Sheol. They are the MUSES under Apollo or whose name is FEAR.

Plato in Phaedrus wrote:
    [1.25.1] Such were the fates I saw befall the locusts. On the Athenian Acropolis is a statue of Pericles, the son of Xanthippus, and one of Xanthippus him self, who fought against the Persians at the naval battle of Mycale. But that of Pericles stands apart, while near Xanthippus stands Anacreon of Teos,

    the first poet after Sappho of LESBOS to devote himself to love songs,

    and his posture is as it were that of a man singing when he is drunk.

The word SALPINX is
    I. a war-trumpet, trump, Il.,

    II. a trumpet-call,

    II. provide with a sign or MARK seal, sêmainesthai bublôi (sc. boun), i.e. by sealing a strip of byblus round his horn

    sêmainô , Il.10.58, etc.; samainô

    2. mark out, choose for oneself, tous eurôstotatous Plb.3.71.7 .



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You probably remember that Lipscomb recently brought in an ORATOR to teach everyone HOW to preach. However, the same SOPHIST is involved with lying about every MUSICAL word and instrument in the Bible. The purpose was to institute a SABBATH MUSICAL WORSHIP. The FIRST DAY SABBATH and the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH under the Law was for A HOLY CONVOCATION. The central message was REST and the activity was TO READ THE WORD. Jesus brought us REST and did not prescribe what we peddle as "church worship."
    And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, TEACHING in their synagogues, and PREACHING the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. Mt.9:35
Jesus sent Apostles or evangelists out to PREACH the gospel. They were to make disciples by BAPTIZING and continuing to TEACH and not preach. Telling Bible stories was the first form of preaching and it was condemned as was allegoralizing or further expounding the Scripture passage of the day. Performance preaching was one of the early heresies along with the clergy song Precenter.

Paul did not preach in an extablished congregation such as Troas. Rather, he dialoged (dialegomai) or communed with the people. The Greek world understood a SERMON as EXCLUDING an artificial oration.

    Latin SERMO , o-nis, m. [2. sero, qs. serta, conserta oratio] , a speaking or talking with any one; talk, conversation, discourse:

      Concr., a talk, speech, discourse (more informal and unpretending than oratio)
An oration, is the opposite of a sermon which must be in conversational language or the ORATOR places himself in the BEMA or pulpit or HIGH PLACE to rule over the congregation which is seen as his AUDIENCE.
    ORATIO, o-nis, f. [oro] , a speaking, speech, discourse, language
      In partic., formal language, artificial discourse,set speech (OPPOSITE to to sermo, ordinary speech, CONVERSATIONAL language): mollis est oratio philosophorum
It is not possible to have TRAINED ORATORS or in Paul's Words "Super Apostles" without making simple DISCUSSION into a means of financial gain. Also, the professional is bound to ADD to the message to justify his wage from the widows and hard working people.

Therefore, Oration includes the idea of:
    Disceptatio, o-nis, f. [discepto] , a dispute, disputation, DEBATE, discussion, disquisition. controversy, contention, quarrel, question, dispute, debate,
The rhetorical or sOPHIStical ORATOR debates with God and with Himself: he denies YOU the right to read, interpret and speak the WORD unless it is IN COMMUNITY or Commune.

Trained orators or "super apostles" now attempt to destroy anyone who uses the logical or spiritual mind God gave us. Rather, people are "converted" by WATCHING ME! The word "spiritual" speaks of the RATIONAL. Don't bad mouth the MIND because God gave us A holy spirit so that we can worship Him in the new PLACE of the human spirit is silence and darkness--the closet, you rmember.

By definition if you "private interpret" or "further expound" the Word of God you MUST be antilogical and therefore CONTRADICT what God in Christ Taught.
    Antilogia, hê, CONTRADICTION, controversy. chrêsmos 1 [chraô3] the answer of an oracle, oracular response, Oracle: A place where oracular responses were given, an oracle: Esp. (eccl. Lat.), the MERCY-SEAT the place in the tabernacle in which the PRESENCE of God was manifest. The MANTIC or mad person believed that he spoke for God."

      Chrêstêrios 1 [chraô3] of or from an oracle, oracular, prophetic, Aesch., Eur.; APOLLON chrêstêrie author of oracles, Hdt.

      chrauô to scrape, graze, wound slightly, epichraô.

A word which appear with Chauo is Rhetor

This means that Orators can function only with CHARISMA. Charisma was always associated with homosexuality which, they say, bound the flesh and spirit together:
    Charizesthai erastais Pederasty musicians, odes, Mousa PAIDKEE, which are mere PLAY for him. A nomos for CINAED by a Sybarite Hemitheon is mentioned by Lucian adv. ind. 23 (cf. Pseudo-Lucian 3).

    Remember that the DIONYSUS clergy where polluted worship was part of the Abomination of Desolation in the temple hoped that Dionysus would be Messiah. Therefore, Jesus warned that John didn't wear SOFT clothing of the catamite and:

    They are like unto CHILDREN [paidion] sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have PIPED unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. Lu.7:32

Oration is "A set speech, harangue, discourse, oration: The POWER of oratory, eloquence While a SERMON is just "ordinary speech, speaking, talking, the language of conversation (OPPOSITE contentio)". As an ordinary member YOU will not be able to MOUNT the pulpit, bema or HIGH PLACE and CONTEND FOR THE FAITH which Christ delivered.
    Contento , o-nis, f. [contendo] (acc. to CONTENDO, II.), an EAGER STRETCHING, a straining, EXERTION of the powers of body or mind, TENSION, effort, a vigorous struggling or STRIVING for something, a struggle after [work, work, work, legalism of the worst kind.]

      (Acc. to contendo, II. B. 2.) A CONTEST, contention, strife (with weapons or WORDS), a fight, dispute, controversy

See how this ORATION as a WAR OF WORDS is identical to the WRATH God pours out on those who make "worship" into an EXCITING EXPERIENCE which is always associated with sexual excitement.

Both Paul and Peter claimed that their words were EYE WITNESS and inspired. The demand was to "teach that which had been taught" because if you begin to deviate you open the door to the proffesionals who were NOT part of Chris't kingdom. Notice that the CONTENDING and DISCORDING Orators (rhetoricians, sOPHISts, singers, musicians) are God's MARK that you are harboring the Devil's liars who USE you and ABUSE you:
    For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:5

    Pornos (g4205) por'-nos; from pernemi , (to sell; akin to the base of 4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by anal.) a debauchee (libertine): - fornicator, whoremonger

      But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Re.21:8

        NO! NOT DESTRUCTION: The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up Mt.4:16

      For WITHOUT are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and MAKETH a ;LIE. Re.22:15

      Let no man DECEIVE (Like the Nachash seduced Eve as a "musical enchanter") you with VAIN words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the children of disobedience. Ep.5:6

That is why the ABSOLUTE DIRECT COMMAND is to "teach that which has been taught" and "to glorify God with that which is written" the Spirit or the Word of God.

The clear word is SPEAK the Words of God because the musicians and orators WILL deceive you if you don't lay down the MARK. Paul established this LAW for both the Ephesians and Colossions. "Don't get drunk with wine" means "don't get FLUTED DOWN with wine or ignorance."

Getting fluffed up with hot air is God sending you a MARK or a strong delusion and it is called an ORGE and not "worship.
    Orge (g3709) or-gay'; from 3713; prop. desire (as a reaching forth or excitement of the mind), i.e. (by anal) violent passion (ire, or [justifiable] abhorence); by impl. punishment: - anger, indignation, vengeance, wrath.

    For which things sake the WRATH of God cometh on the children of disobedience: Col.3:6

    But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Col.3:8

A sermonizer is normally a Philosophos. A SOPHOS is one who believes they have SUPERIOR wisdom which can be peddled to others through. The Ophis is the serpent in the book of Revelation. He will go back into Sheol along with the musicians.

By actual definition a PHARISEE takes pay because he peddles himself as having SUPERIOR INSIGHT. One who does not see "godliness as a means of financial gain" (i.e. occupation) CANNOT be a Pharisee.
    sophistês, ou, ho, master of one's CRAFT, adept, expert, of DIVINER, Hdt.2.49; of POETS, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28 , cf. Cratin.2; of MUSICIANS, sophistês

      Same as: Aposter-êtês, one who withholds, esp. one who WITHOLDS what is due, a DEFRAUDER, CHEAT ; aposterêtên agorasas agron a farm that costs money instead of bringing it in, Com.Adesp.109.
      Concussor , o-ris, m. [id.] , one who EXTORTS money by threats (late Lat.),


    II. from late v B.C., a Sophist, i.e. one who gave lessons in grammar, rhetoric, politics, mathematics, for money

    2. sophist (in bad sense), QUIBBLER, CHEAT

    3. later of the rhêtores, Professors of Rhetoric, and PROSE WRITERS [Scribes] of the Empire,

For instance, Philosophers who have invaded the church can SPECULATE that science proves that OLD WRITINGS such as the Bible have all TRUTH shot away when we read with out evolved eyes. The sOPHISts in the book of Revelation point directly to the SERPENT or OPHIS. The Ophis is at the same time both repulsive and attractive. Something like an auto race.

Similar Definition. A philosopher (ophis) or an ORATOR who ADDS to the Word of God is really the BIRD DEMONS Jesus warned about. He PICKS OUT THE SEED of God and "deposits" little droppings which contain the SEED of the tares. That is why Jesus made it plain that the clergy were OFF the Devil because HE SPEAKS ON HIS OWN. You cannot do that without being a liar and a SEED PICKER. That is why MUSIC and SOPHISTRY is connected to DEMONS and SORCERY.
    Spermo-logos, on, ( [legô] ) picking up seeds, of birds, Id.Demetr.28, Alex.Mynd. ap. Ath.9.388a: as Subst., rook, Arist.HA592b28; glossed koloiôdes zôion, Hsch.; spermologôn te genê Ar.Av.232 (lyr.), cf. 579.

      koloiôdês , es, daw-like, i.e. flocking together, Plu.2.93e.

    2. ta spermologa tôn paidariôn guttersnipes, Ath.3.85f.

    II. picking up SCRAPS, gossiping, anthrôpos D.H.19.5 (Sup., ib.4); also pikra kai s. rhêmata Plu.2.456c .

More later on ORATORS as SEED PICKERS. Honest preachers had better get OUT OF THE HIGH PLACE and off the HIGH HORSE and dialog and commune.

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Rhetor = Seed Pickers

April 26 2004, 10:53 AM 

We cannot pass judgment on these people who PICK UP SCRAPS of old religion but they should be warned that without being Bible and history literate it is quite easy to RESTORE paganism believing that it is Christianity. All of the Greek language recognizes the PERFORMING ARTS in worship as perverted: Why pick this as the IMAGE to stand in the Hoy Places?

We noted that SERMO relates to our ONE ANOTHER dialog and SPEAKING the Word while leaving the "singing" (secular) and "melody" a (Warfare word not musical) in the HEART or SPIRIT where God seeks worshipers

On the other hand, ORATORS (rhetoricians, sOPHISts, singers, musicians) are PUBLIC PERFORMERS and related to perverted paganism and not part of Christianity. A word which defines their TRADE is:

The spermologa also TRAFFICKS on other people's ideas.
    III. as Subst., one who PICKS up and RETAILS scraps of knowledge, an idle babbler, gossip,

    The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord. Jer 23:28

    Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Jer 23:29

    Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that STEAL my WORDS every one from his neighbour. Jer 23:30

    Spermologos (g4691) sper-mol-og'-os; from 4690 and 3004; a seed-picker (as the crow), i.e. (fig.) a SPONGER, LOAFER (spec. a GOSSIP or trifler in talk): - BABBLER.

Especially respecting the Word of God where FURTHER EXPOUNDING by professioals is outlawed, the ORATOR or false prophet is a Pharisee, Scribe and Hypocrite we must not see them as kings but parasites:
    parasitus, i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence,

    I. In gen., a guest (pure Lat. conviva): parasiti Jovis, the gods, Varr. ap. Aug. Civ. Dei, 6, 7; App. M. 10, p. 246, 35.--Hence, parasitus Phoebi, a PLAYER, ACTOR, Mart. 9, 29, 9.--

    II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by FLATTERY and BUFFONERY, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite

Of the evangelist who may receive the subsistence wage of a soldier,
    And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. Lu.10:7

    rhêtor-ikos , on, oratorical, hê rhêtorikê (sc. technê) rhetoric; of persons, skilled in SPEAKING, fit to be an ORATOR

    pikros 1 [from peukê]

    I. properly pointed, sharp, keen, oïstos Il.; glôchis Soph.;metaph., glôssês pikrois kentroisi Eur [Glosses is: through love of talking; to let loose one's tongue, speak without restraint; the tongue or mouthpiece of a pipe ]

    3. of sound, sharp, piercing, SHRILL, oimôgê, PHTHONGOS oph.; gooi Eur.

    We want to look at PHTHONGOS again

    III # 2. of persons, bitter, malignant, Solon., Hdt., attic; pikros theois HATEFUL to the GODS, Soph.; pikros politais Eur.

A word with similar meaning:
    Hupo-kritikos, ê, on, belonging to hupokrisis 11 , skilled therein, esti phuseôs to hu. einai having a good delivery,

    2. suited for speaking or delivery, (sc. technê) the art of delivery, but, the actor's art

    3. metaph., acting a part, pretending to

Spermologos Regularly used with:
    Turannos 2. imperious, despotic, an absolute sovereign, unlimited by law or constitution, [turannos is prob. from same Root as KURIOS,

    commeator, o-ris, m. [commeo] , one who goes to and fro, an epithet of Mercury as messenger of the gods to men

See how Rubel Shelly teaches that the LOGOS of the philosophers was where John got his idea for calling Jesus the Word. However, the LOGOS of the philosohers was Hermes or Mercury.

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February 17 2016, 12:44 PM 

This thread is bumped for my earlier comments on the sabbath. It is for reference only and if you don't respond it will slide off first place pretty fast.

Many or most of the churches Purpose Driven to fall backwards into Babylonianism held their "third services" on Saturday. This was to give them authority to debunk the First Day as special and also to build a claque of youth programmed to enjoy "instrumental praise." These services became alternative services on Sunday, then became the Contemporary Worship services intending to make all services instrumental.

They were Purpose Driven because Apollo or Abaddon was one of the SUN gods and as Judaizers they were unwittingly or half-wittingly abandoning themselves to the worship of the starry host.

Sabazianism is a name given to worship on the Seventh day to refute God's giving a DAY OF REST.

That was then and this is now but it will serve for those who think that Jesus died to give THEM an occupation by literally and emotionally binding WE who got the liberty to WORKING and praying really hard to put the yokes back on those Jesus liberated. Again, spiritual covenants are made with the HOUSES, families or the laity exclusive of and freed from Priests and Levites.

Jesus died to give us REST and invited us to come outside the masses and LEARN OF ME. That sounds like a pretty good ONE-PIECE PATTERN.

Iamblichus wrote Of the Hebrew Kadeshim and the Eleusinian. Thus "Bacchus was directly called upon," he says. The Sabazian worship was Sabbatic; the names Evius, or Hevius, and Luaios are identical with Hivite and Levite. The French name Louis is the Hebrew Levi; Iacchus again is Iao or Jehovah; and Baal or Adon, like Bacchus, was a phallic god. "Who shall ascend into the hill (the high place) of the Lord?" asks the holy king David, "who shall stand in the place of his Kadushu [[Heb char]]"? (Psalms xxiv. 3). Kadesh may mean in one sense to devote, hallow, sanctify, and even to initiate or to set apart; but it also means the ministers of lascivious rites (the Venus-worship) and the true interpretation of the word Kadesh is bluntly rendered in Deuteronomy xxiii. 17; Hosea iv. 14; and Genesis xxxviii., from verses 15 to 22. The "holy" Kadeshuth of the Bible were identical as to the duties of their office with the Nautch-girls of the later Hindu pagodas.

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