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Oh BIll?

May 13 2011, 9:28 PM 

I wonder.....why you are so preoccupied with me lately?

There is really only one right answer. I'm gonna let you take your time and come up with something good.

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Oh, Dave!

May 13 2011, 11:51 PM 

Yes, Dave, there is only one correct answer. I've given it to you all along; you've just been too busy putting "curses" on those with whom you disagree to see the answer. BTW, it is indeed interesting that you're preoccupied with "curses" and are quick to brand everyone who disagrees with you as "cursed." Are you so insecure that you resort to melodramatic "curses" of all things to give you confidence? BTW, that's just a rhetorical question. If you keep on your present path, people will definitely wonder if you're into voodoo and black magic. I don't think that would go over very well.

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Give A Man Enough Rope......

May 14 2011, 9:00 AM 

No, William, try again....

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Dr. Bill Crump
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You So Want To...

May 14 2011, 6:52 PM 

Go ahead, Dave, put another "curse" on us and entertain us some more. You know you're itching to do it. Buc buc bucAAAKKK! wink.gif

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You Can't Win

May 15 2011, 12:41 AM 

William, you continue to reply bitterly time after time to me are irritated by what I say. You wouldn't continue to respond time after time if you didn't believe in what I say. You can't help but respond William. You can't help it.
Pride and arrogance just pulls you down harder and faster

Remember too, YOU and this site want to tear down churches of our Lord. I am here to warn anyone who will listen of your evil ways. You and your evil assistants began this crusade of evil and I intend to point it out for anyone who will listen.

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Donnie Cruz
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Please STOP...

May 15 2011, 1:14 AM 

It would be a waste of time to determine that a percentage of the messages posted here is not conducive to learning God's truth or to productive discussions of doctrinal differences.

The psychology of human behavior and individual differences does not belong here. We are not here to promote personal attacks and self-glorification ("I am good; you are evil").

Only a few days ago, Todd Atnip posted: "No one bothers to really study Acts 15 and Galatians." Is that a difficult subject matter to discuss?

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Please STOP...

May 15 2011, 10:56 AM 

Donnie, I noticed that the Special Den of Vipers (SDV) thread hasn't been used in quite a while. I think it's hungry, and a bunch of "garbage" posts on this site would more than "fatten up" that thread. I think posts in the following categories would more than qualify for the SDV thread:

--Posts about curses: "You are cursed" and "You put curses on those who disagree with you."

--Posts implying that someone has a god complex.

--Posts from someone who OBVIOUSLY has a god complex.

--Posts implying that those who disagree with the poster do not love the Lord's church and are bound for hell ("Is your soul worth it?" etc. etc.).

--Posts smearing the Concerned Members site as "worthless" and "evil" (if you don't like CM, you are free to go elsewhere).

--Posts smearing anyone for anything using sarcasm, character assassinations, other hate tactics, etc.

I realize that weeding out previous posts may not be feasible, but I do suggest that future posts that fit the above criteria be quickly dumped into the SDV thread or deleted altogether.

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I Still Wonder

May 15 2011, 6:58 PM 

William said "I realize that weeding out previous posts may not be feasible, but I do suggest that future posts that fit the above criteria be quickly dumped into the SDV thread or deleted altogether."

Is that like when Donnie suggested that the "Spelling, Grammar, and Punctuation" thread die out and you just ignored him?

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: I Still Wonder

May 16 2011, 7:48 AM 

Is that like when Donnie recently posted "Please STOP" all the personal attacks, but Dave ignored him and recently posted "No Love for our Lord's Church" in another thread? There, Dave once again smeared this site as well as Donnie, Ken, and Dr. Crump.

I ask Donnie to either put posts like that in the Special Den of Vipers or delete them altogether. They only tear others down. If Donnie wants to delete the SGP thread as well, that's his prerogative.

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Smear Who?

May 16 2011, 8:39 PM 

Dave didn't smear you. You, by being here and supporting and contributing to this evil site did that. YOU did it William, no one else.
You can blame it on Dave until your heart stops beating, but you and the contributors here took it upon yourself to belittle and smear and put up for public ridicule the Lord's church.
YOU have cursed yourself. YOU have to accept the blame.

.....and YOU have to be the one to admit that you are wrong.

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Smear Who?

May 16 2011, 10:01 PM 

Dave especially needs to heed Donnie's warning: "Please STOP" the personal attacks." Here are classic examples: "You [Donnie, Ken, and Dr. Crump] don't love the Lord's church" [because they disagree with Dave] and "You will pay" [implying that because they disagree with Dave, they will all be damned). Attacking and smearing people do not foster civil discussions.

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Smear Who?

May 16 2011, 11:02 PM 

I see that Dave is still preoccupied with "cursing" people. I guess he has no intention of heeding Donnie's warning about personal attacks. I really wish some action would be taken about that.

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