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Is Sunday School Biblical?

June 14 2004 at 1:47 AM
Mindy  (no login)
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I apologize in advance if this is not the place to post this question. This post is actually the result of days of searching the internet trying to find the answer. Right now, my family is trying to decide if Sunday School is Biblical and if that is the road we need to take.

I was raised Baptist while my husband was raised Church of Christ. He has always gone to a church that did NOT have Sunday School. Since we have children now, we feel a conviction to teach our children and to become closer to God ourselves. I see that Sunday School is fine but that is based on the way I was raised. I don't have scripture to back me up. He sees that Sunday School is wrong as it is never mentioned in the Bible, is a pretty new thing being less than 200 years old, and seperates the family. He sees that it is a parents job to teach the child, not the church.

He feels that Sunday School would be fine, like a Bible Study, if it were not a part of the worship service. He has agreed to pray on it as have I. Both of us are willing to go in the direction the Bible teaches. The church that we attend now does not have Sunday school and for various reasons is just not united. I have not felt at home there in a few years. I would like to switch churches so we are exploring the next step. Any ideas or scripture you all could find would be most appreciated.

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical (Mindy, June 14 2004 at 1:47 AM)

June 15 2004, 4:23 AM 

Mindy,

For now I’m going to respond to your question briefly. Hopefully, I’ll be able to expound or elaborate on this issue later on.

It would be illogical to discuss “Sunday School” without connecting or relating it to the “worship service.” [Frankly, I prefer the expression “Bible study” or “Bible school” to “Sunday School.” I also prefer the expression “assembly or gathering of the saints” to “worship services.”] In addition, the assembly of the saints would be greatly misunderstood without associating it with the synagogue.

The word “synagogue” does not appear in the Old Testament except in Psalm 74:8; but it is very frequently referenced (at least 60 times) in the four gospels and in the book of Acts. This is proof that there is a bit of history involved in the development of the synagogue during the intertestament period, as well as during the establishment and the early life of the church. The term “synagogue” is derived from the Greek language and means “to gather” or “to gather together” or “to bring together.” The Hebrew equivalence is “assembly” or “convocation” or “calling together

Without discussing the historical aspect in detail for the time being, we should note that by the New Testament times, the synagogue was firmly established and of major importance or role in the “religiousness” of the Jewish people. It is noteworthy that the Jewish assembly was [God’s] Word-centered. The meeting was on a particular day, of course, the Sabbath (Saturday, the seventh day of the week). They prayed; they read from the scrolls—the law of Moses and the prophets; they heard a lesson of exhortation. NOTE this one: they did read, sing or chant from the Psalms—with NO mechanical instruments used or accompanying. An offering was taken each Sabbath mainly for the poor. And each synagogue had a ruler(s) or elders—men of age, experience and dedication.

The New Testament assembly is patterned after or similar to the synagogue gathering format, indeed, WORD-CENTERED. Simply put—the New Testament gathering is also a school of the Bible in itself. The book of Acts (a history of the early church) and the epistles have a lot to say about how the early Christians gathered. They met on a particular day, specifically on THE first day of THE week (Acts 20:7); prayed and read from the scriptures (Acts 2:42; Col. 4:16); sang the word of Christ to admonish and teach one another (Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16); heard a lesson of exhortation (Acts 20); gave of their means in a freewill manner (I Cor. 16:2; II Cor. 8:12)—TO HELP THE POOR. They had a plurality of elders and deacons (Acts 14:23; Phil 1:1). As you can see, the nature or purpose of the gathering did not change except for the day of the assembly. And, understandably so, the observance of the Lord’s Supper was instituted as part and for the purpose of the gathering of the New Testament saints (Acts 20:7ff; I Cor. 11).

So, now, the big question—Is Sunday School biblical? Historical perspectives indicate that the “gathering” or “assembly” of New Testament Christians is WORD-CENTERED, in which studying and learning is already an integral part of “the school of the Bible”—the assembly itself—along with the commemoration of the Lord’s suffering and death, the collection (conveniently on the same day) for the poor and needy. In other words, this form of BIBLE STUDY is already an important part of the “ASSEMBLING OF OURSELVES TOGETHER” that we are not to forsake, EXHORTING [TEACHING] ONE ANOTHER (Heb. 10:25).

Now, what about the so-called “Sunday School” (say at 10:00 a.m.) that is SEPARATE AND APART from the “synagogue” or assembly to exhort and teach each other (say at 11:00 a.m.)? Well, this Sunday School, a misnomer, would be less questionable if intended as an “additional” Bible study period. Such a study period is biblical in the sense that we are commanded to study anyway (II Timothy 2:15), but not necessarily only on Sunday because it can occur anytime, any day of the week. In other words, a Monday or Thursday or another day or even everyday could be designated as a Bible study period. Remember in Acts 17:11 when “they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures DAILY”? Perhaps, the “Sunday School” should be called instead the “Daily Bible School”—it just happens that the Bible study period on a Sunday is undoubtedly convenient to those already assembled.

Donnie

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical (Mindy, June 14 2004 at 1:47 AM)

June 15 2004, 8:01 PM 

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond. My husbands take on things has to do with women teaching, family being seperate where you put faith in others as to what your children are learning, and the fact that it is a study called by Elders which makes it a part of the worship.

I wholeheartedly agree with what you have to say. I love the Church of Christ and feel that I have learned more truth than ever before since attending church. What bothers me is that, at least the church we go to, seems to be ver legalistic ON SOME THINGS while throwing caution to the wind on others.

There is some splitting of hairs on this issue I believe. Women are allowed to teach a Bible study but not allowed to teach in a worship service. So we go through the eternal debate over what constitutes a worship service and such. I say that I want to feel alive in my walk while he says that your walk isn't about feelings. I say that God wants us to have joy. He sees joy as very different from happiness.

A bit of background to explain why his views are as such. He comes from a devout Church of Christ family who believe that Sunday School is wrong, celebrating Christmas is wrong, everything has to be done a certain way, etc. There have been endless debates with his family over them holding on to scripture that isn't even scripture. He went to a very small church where there was little emotion and a large sense of duty. Because of this, you don't go to church because of the feeling it gives you or anything like that. You go because you are not supposed to forsake the assembly.

I am in the process of trying to figure all of this out too so once again, I thank you for taking the time to research all of this and respond.

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical (Mindy, June 14 2004 at 1:47 AM)

September 13 2012, 12:08 AM 

Mindy email me at seedsofhopeonline.com@gmail.com. I would like to discuss this issue with you free of the moderators diversion to the truth.

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical (Mindy, June 14 2004 at 1:47 AM)

September 15 2012, 8:33 PM 

Mindy asked her question about Sunday School in 2004. So what took seeds of hope online eight years to show an interest in her question?

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical (Mindy, June 14 2004 at 1:47 AM)

September 16 2012, 11:09 AM 

Good point "B", it just dawned on me what you were saying. Donnie said "For now Im going to respond to your question briefly. Hopefully, Ill be able to expound or elaborate on this issue later on."... Eight years pass... If not for seeds of hope would Mindy ever have her question answered? happy.gif

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical (Mindy, June 14 2004 at 1:47 AM)

September 16 2012, 5:43 PM 

Judging from Mindy's response, it looks like Donnie's answer satisfied her back in 2004, so Racnor need not worry about it now. Besides, we have no idea if, after eight years, Mindy ever saw seeds of hope's invitation to email him/her/it.

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical?

June 17 2004, 10:57 PM 

Mindy,

Sunday school is not Biblical, but it isn't anti-scriptural either. Being unBiblical simply means it isn't mentioned in the Bible. As such, many of our brethren believe that a congregation can't support such a thing (buy curriculum, pay for classrooms, divide the assembly, etc.).

This belief, to my mind, is rather unreasoned, despite that there are many good students of scripture that would disagree with me. The non-Sunday School wing of Churches of Christ are a rather small group and do not represent the 'mainstream' (as though that means anything).

Sunday school is, in reality simply an opportunity to study the Word, which is mandated by Scripture. The argument against it pays more attention to what a congregation may or may not be able to do rather than recognizing that Christians are expected to study Scripture either singly or in groups.

However, you and your husband need to discuss this between yourselves and this response is not intended to cause any division in your family. You all pray about it, and then decide what to do.

H.Roberson

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical?

June 19 2004, 12:52 AM 

Your post was not only informative, it was kind and considerate. For that, we both thank you!!

I think when it all comes down to it, this is an issue where we have to pray to follow where we are led. Sometimes that is the hardest part.

Thanks again and God Bless you and yours

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical?

September 13 2012, 11:27 AM 

Moses was told how to conduct Sabbath School in Exodus 18. Sub-groups as small as 10 had a designated teacher of The Covenant of Grace. (Abrahamic). The later more organized synagogues were held where ten heads of families existed.

When the leaders led the people into idolatry (musical worship of the Egyptian trinity), God abandoned them to "worship the starry host" (Acts 7 etc.)

God sentenced them to captivity and death and ordained the Jacob-cursed Levi tribe to conduct their neo-Babylonian sacrifices behind closed gates.

Christ the ROCK ordained the Qahal (synagogue) or Church of Christ in the wilderness. The small sub-groups came to gather every REST day (rarely Saturday). "Work" excluded even "sending out ministers of God."

This was INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word.
This was EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrument rejoicing including elevated forms of rhetoric.

The synagogue always existed but under various names: Qahal is still used by many Synagogues. The Campbells tried to restore:

Church is A School of Christ
Worship is Reading and Musing the Word of God

What they were commanded to do in "synagogue" which never changed even when it was more codified after Babylon. Jesus rejected "alms" with attention-getting sounds and commanded that prayers be YOURS and in sected. The PRAY-ER was the READ-ER and they always affirmed that there is ONE GOD.

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Both Jew and Gentile were "wise unto salvation" because the synagogue was the Gentile option to escape the pagan "worship services." That pattern never changed.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Jesus PATTERNED what the Spirit OF Christ ordained in the wilderness.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Paul's practice and direct command continued the Church in the Wilderness by rejecting any of the performance roles (Romans 15) and commanded them to speak that which is written for our learning with one mind and one voice. Disciples go to Bible Class as the UNIQUE meaning of worship in the New Testament.

That was the historic practice of the church until both preaching (sermonizing) and singing were imposed after Constantine in 373. Even then only the Psalms were cantillated until well after John Calvin.

So your husband has Scripture and History on his side. Sunday School was rejected because the publishers gave the elders no authority.

What Jesus attended, commanded, what Paul attended and commanded and what history affirms has no role for either male or female to teach what the publishers "have written for their learning."

Children are NOT fools: They need to hear "that which was written for their learning" as a visual aid that the leaders honor the Words of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles as the ONLY educational foundation for building the church.








    
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical?

September 13 2012, 4:13 PM 

Ken, 2004? Where in the world...?...nevermind....again.

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical?

September 13 2012, 4:45 PM 

I didn't put it back on top: besides you didn't get the point 8 years ago.

maybe "seeds of hope" just woke up?

http://seedsofhopeonline.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi


    
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September 13 2012, 5:19 PM 

"So your husband has Scripture and History on his side."

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Ken, just trying to understand your position on Sunday School/Bible Study, are you saying we should not it have on Sunday?

 
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September 13 2012, 6:36 PM 

No, I am saying that there is nothing from Genesis to Revelation and early church history which would teach anything more than "Teaching that which is written for our learning."

In the Old Testament the synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness held synagogue on the evil, superstitious SEVENTH day. The abandoned Levi tribe 'worshipped the starry host" on the SEVENTH day based on astrology. All Sun or Star worshipers met on the SEVENTH day. The synagogue was specificially to PREVENT the godly tribes from attending the Jewish Sacrificial system.

The Civil-Military-Clergy "profaned" the Sabbath because God had already abandoned them to Babylon: both the Seventh day and Tithing along with the functions of clergy and the stepped ziggurat or temple. The "profane" word identifies the Cain thread and meant to "play the flute, pollute or prostitute."

A "Sabbath day's journey" was held to be about 700 feet and the outlawed WORK included "sending our ministers of God."

Isaiah promised ANOTHER DAY and Jesus came to give the REST Joshua could never provide. The eternal SUN WORSHIP threat changed to the First Day of the Week. The only commanded and exampled pattern is somewhat fulfilled by a Sunday School where "you speak the same things" by "speaking that which is written for our learning."

Women have confiscated "Sunday School" and "Children's worship" and that is why the church has been turned into a limpy burger.

There is no command or example to make SINGING an "Act of worship" before the year 373. Maybe they just didn't understand. That simple singing or cantillation was the commanded Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs which are all types of the BOOK of Psalms. Twila Paris does not qualify and neither does little-bitzy-praise singers trying to stimulate a "sexual-like climactic" esperience according to the Wimbers (Fullerites) and the message of the New Wineskins.

http://www.piney.com/VineyardIntimacy.html

Paul said there is NO COMMAND to lay by senior pastor.

There is no PREACHER in the gifts Christ (the Spirit) ordained in Ephesians 4. The teaching role of Pastor-Teacher is the elders who are more APT to teach the Bible "as it has been taught" than to chase a coon.

That's why the Restoration stripped off everything but:

Church is A school of Christ
Worship is reading and musing or discussing the Word.

Paul defined it to Timothy the EVANGELIST who WENT.

1Timothy 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
1Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Timothy 4:11 These things command and teach.
1Timothy 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
1Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [the public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1Timothy 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
1Timothy 4:15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
1Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

 
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September 14 2012, 1:09 PM 

Mindy, apparently Sunday School/Bible School/Bible Study/Daily Bible Study is a dicey subject at CM. The issue seems to hinge on nomenclature. I feel certain after eight years you and your husband have made a choice. If not, you should consult a local Pastor/Minister/Preacher/Elder/Deacon to help you with this issue.

 
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Daily Bible Study Is Biblical

September 15 2012, 2:31 AM 

Acts 17:[10] And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures DAILY, whether those things were so.

II Tim. 2:[15] STUDY to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the word of truth.

 
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September 15 2012, 12:58 PM 

Li'l David play yo harp but can never grasp: that CM does not do can-can't or may-might but "what does Scripture say."

You might sing Fanny Crosby with four-part harmony. You may sing in unison. You MUST never say that Christ's silence or your Centering prayer or Purpose Driven gives you divine AUTHORITY.

Jesus didn't say: get it right, make it pay: His commanded mission was to MAKE DISCIPLES by teaching what HE commanded to be taught. That will produce A spirit able to live in a spiritual kindgom.

As Jesus of Nazareth the Messiah His mission continued that of the Prophets led by the Spirit OF Christ and the prophecies made more certain by Jesus of Nazareth a man fulfilling the Will of God and the left memories of the Apostles who were eye-- and ear--witnesses. The Apostolic message is that any other teaching is left as a MARK of a false teacher following the false prophets under the Laws of the Monarchy.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

You MAY get your authority from the Levite Soothsayers or the Mother's harpers, musicians, pipers, trumpeters or Craftsmen (Staff).

You MAY NOT say that your authority comes from God.

We MAY say that your authority came from the Babylonian Mother of Harlots. Always an identifiable HER in the changeling churches.

That is God's WAY OF ESCAPE: men writing your own sermons, songs and Bible-Class literature and rejecting the clear COMMANDS, EXAMPLES and necessary inference. This is perfectly clear to those who know the difference between a SCHOOL and a RELIGIOUS TEMPLE COMPLEX. Or for those more interested in Jesus-Speak than preachers speaking about themselves.

Those who deliberately IGNORE the Prophets blaspheme The Holy Spirit because:

1Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.


Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

No one can name a SINGLE preacher or "scholar" who has or can grasp that simple fact because PRIDE will not let them move outside of their curriculum.



    
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Re: Daily Bible Study Is Biblical

September 16 2012, 5:36 PM 

PUT IT ALL TOGETHER IT SPELLS WITCHCRAFT

Lectio - Reading the Bible passage gently and slowly several times.
The passage itself is not as important
as the savoring of each portion of the reading,
constantly listening for the "still, small voice" of a word or phrase
that somehow speaks to the practitioner


A Disciple never speaks of should or shall but WHAT IS WRITTEN." People who cannot grasp that a DISCIPLE goes to Bible Class and learns "that which is written for our learning." Any attempt to enhance the process to make a TRADE is called sorcery and insists that what they say is more important than what God has done. If you think you can engage in DIVINATIONATION or Lectio Divina then we can say "burn witch, burn." (I have a paper close to being ready to prove that this is the MARK of the "unwed" reading as opposed to the commanded "Cultic Reading Aloud" of that which is written.

You may or may do whatever you wish but if you say that God commanded or authorized you to go beyond then the Spirit OF Christ says that you blaspheme. People need to be brave and confess "We do not believe the Words of Scripture" have any authority instead of using treachery.

"Although the sermon was not an essential part of the synagogue service, the translation and explanation of the Scripture lesson was a step in the direction of a preaching service. There is evidence that an exposition of the lesson formed a part of the Sabbath afternoon service. In earliest times the sermon seems to have been connected with the reading from the Prophets. Anyone able to instruct might be asked to preach (Acts 13:15). The preacher spoke from a sitting position on an elevated place (Luke 4:20). (feiffer, Charles F., Between the Testaments, p. 63 Baker Book House).

"The word that is employed for this "anaginosko, anagnosis) is the technical term for the cultic reading aloud of the Old Testament in the synagogue. By applying this terminology to the reading of his own epistles he not only ascribes the same authority to the apostolic word as to the Old Testament writings...he also combines a quotation from the Old Testament with a word of Jesus and introduces the whole with the familiar formula: 'for the Scripture says.'" (Ridderbos, Hermon, Paul, P. 483 an Outline of His Theo., Eerdmans)

lecto , nis, f. lego.
I. A gathering, collecting.
B. In partic., a picking out, selecting: judicum, Cic. Phil. 5, 6, 16.
II. A reading, perusal; a reading out, reading aloud.
that which is read, reading, text, gramma
juris lectiones, passages of the laws,
To read often, with eagerness, or with attention


They were taught the doctrines concerning God, creation, providence, sacred history, the fall, the incarnation, the resurrection, and future rewards and punishments. Their books were portions of the Bible...When the ecclesiastical spirit overcame the apostolic and Gospel teaching, the study of the Bible was largely displaced by ritual ceremonies and priestly confessionals. A few faithful continued to teach the Bible, as the Waldenses and the Lollards." (Schaff-Herzog Religious Ency., Sunday schools, p. 159).

"Christianity had ceased (about AD 200) to be the close brotherhood which it was at first; it had developed a complicated organization, with a marked distinction between clergy and laity; the conception of priest and sacrifice had won a place.

And as the body changed, so did its worship; the place which had sufficed for the simple, informal gatherings of the first Christians was no longer adequate" (Shaff-Herzog, Architecture, p. 264).

"The public portion of Sunday worship began with Scripture reading, interspersed with the singing of psalms. These selections presented three passages, the prophets, the epistles, the Gospels, and were so read as to cover the Bible in the course of successive Sundays...In the Arian struggle the use of hymns other than psalms grew common, and was furthered in the West with great success by Ambrose of Milan.

"The latter part of the fourth and the first half of the fifth centuries was above all others an age of great preachers in the ancient church...In form it was often highly rhetorical, and the hearers manifested their approval by applause. Yet, while this preacher was probably never excelled, preaching was by no means general, and in many country districts, or even considerable cities, few sermons were to be heard." (Walker, Williston, Hist of Ch. Ch., Charles Scribner's Sons, 1918 p. 167-168)

In the Catholic and Protestant history of England members were required to attend only a few days during the year when sermons were READ. The only purpose was to refresh people's understanding of the doctrines of the church. That was my experience before the GI Bill post WWII produced a flock of preachers.

"The bombastic rhetoric which had ruled in the Roman world since the death of Cicero was now introduced into the Christian pulpit, and the congregation burst forth in applause extravagant enough for a welcome to a chief returning from the conquest of a new province." (John Fletcher Hurst, History of the Christian Church, vol. I., p. 357).


It's ok for people to mock and refuse to listen: throughout Scripture DEVIATION for the only role of being A SCHOOL OF THE WORD is not a warning to repent but the MARK of those IN WHOM THERE IS NO LIGHT. You are not called on to grieve for them.

Anaginosko (g314) an-ag-in-oce'-ko; from 303 and 1097; to know again, i.e. (by extens.) to read: - read. of written characters,read aloud for students.

And after the reading of the law and the prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. Ac.13:15

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth
the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;
which vail is done away in Christ. 2Co.3:14


Who dares dispute that when "making melody IN the heart" shows up through their new spectacles (re Shelly) as "Making music WITH a flute."


    
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical?

September 16 2012, 8:35 PM 

"A Disciple never speaks of should or shall but WHAT IS WRITTEN."

The person who quoted that also quotes from the book of Enoch. Does he mean that he isn't a disciple? The book of Enoch has never been a part of the OT, even with the KJV translation. If this person says to speak WHAT IS WRITEEN, but does not do so himself, what does that say of him?

 
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Re: Is Sunday School Biblical?

September 16 2012, 9:25 PM 

Check your pulse: we are not in Sunday School.

Jude thought the book was pretty important and at least 128 other quotes or allusions in the New Testament might make one want to NOT be ignorant of the Book.

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What Happened at the Madison Church of Christ?


There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least you will recognize the signs early on.

Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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