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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Dunning Book

March 3 2007, 2:03 PM 

PPB, over at FaithSite, one poster claimed that when we get to heaven, we'll be shouting and dancing, clapping and playing in the "heavenly band" with "smiling faces" (implying that reverent worship is gloomy and boring). He made it sound like being in heaven will reproduce the worldly, entertainment-oriented, boisterous, rock-and-roll-type "worship" services now prevalent in many churches of the Change Movement.

I submit that until such time as Christ authorizes us here on earth to behave as hedonists and wild animals, then we must abide by Christ's command to sing and make melody in our hearts without the "assistance" of musical instruments or other entertaining gimmicks, for neither IM nor entertainment are authorized on earth in Christian worship. We must also abide by the New Testament's directive that we do all things decently and in order (1 Cor. 14:40), for God is not the Author of confusion but of peace (1 Cor. 14:33). Shouting; loud, boisterous rock music; running amok; and emotional outbursts with adrenaline highs in worship are not only false indicators of "faith," but they are the very epitome of confusion and the antithesis of "peace."

Just because one is able to maintain self-control and self-discipline in reverent worship is certainly no indicator that one is dour, sad, and unhappy. On the contrary, it is even more indicative that one has the "peace of God, which passeth all understanding" (Phil. 4:7).

 
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Lawson Mayo
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Is Church Music Exclusively Congregational Singing?

September 30 2010, 2:49 AM 

Source:http://www.churchofchrist.com.au/Lectures/Issues/Music.htm
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Is Church Music Exclusively Congregational Singing?


by Lawson Mayo



Is church music exclusively congregational singing? Yes! Both history and Scripture point to the validity of this. Neither instruments nor special music (i.e., choirs, sextets, quartets, trios, duets, etc.) are sanctioned by God as being acceptable forms of music in congregational worship. Other innovations such as hand clapping, foot tapping, humming, and vocal imitations of musical instruments, are equally unscriptural. You can search for a commandment, an example, or an inference to justify these self-satisfying innovations, but your search will be in vain. The only Biblical authorisation for church music is congregational singing (Colossians 3:16; Ephesians 5:19).

Although instruments were used in many types of activity (including Hebrew Temple worship) they were not used in the early church. Its a well documented fact that early Christians worshipped for a number of centuries without the accompanying strains of instrumental music. Joseph Bingham, one of the most learned scholars of the Church of England, confirms in his book, Antiquities of the Christian Church. Without mincing words, Bingham simply states:

Music in the church is as ancient as the apostles, but instrumental music is not.

Lyman Coleman, another accurate scholar, offers this noteworthy statement:

". . .musical accompaniments were gradually introduced; but can hardly be assigned to a period earlier than the fifth and sixth centuries. Previously they had their place in the theatre rather than in the church. "

Professor John Girardeau, of Columbia Theological Seminary, makes this reinforcing comment:
"...the church although lapsing more and more into defection from the truth...had no instrumental music for several hundred years. "

Professor Girardeau also records that the Calvinistic Reformed Church had ejected instruments from its services as an element of Popery (Music in the Church, p. 179).
"It is impossible to find anything concerning the origin of instrumental music in the New Testament, but these statements show very definitely that scholars, in the field of church history, recognise instrumental music in the worship as an innovation which did not make its appearance until many hundreds of years after the church had its beginning. Encyclopedias of religious knowledge, coupled with church histories, confirm quite definitely that instruments were introduced a number of centuries after the death of the apostles."

In the Greek church, musical instruments never came into use; only after the eighth century did they become common in the Latin church, and then with much opposition from the monks.

While still on the subject of historically documented quotations regarding music in the early church, there is another significant quote that I want to share. It not only sheds some light on the introduction of instruments, but also on the special music upheaval that were facing in the church today. Listen carefully. Lyman Coleman said that:

". . .the tendency of instrumental music was to secularise the music of the church, and to encourage singing by a choir."

Did you hear that? Coleman, who is considered to be an accurate scholar among religious historians, states that instruments were introduced not only to secularise church music, but also to encourage singing by a choir -- interesting isnt it, in light of the changes that are taking place in our age! Where does our authority lie: in the world or in the Lord?

Let me tell you, my brethren, there is no room for the world in the church! When secular trends invade the sanctity of our worship, Satan wins. Yet, in our brotherhood today, we are hearing a drumming echo of a defiant people from ages past. But the Bible doesnt say we cant, is the loud, bold, urgent, immature, self-seeking cry of our day. Everyone else is doing it, is the insubmissive, rebellious statement of our age. Eternal consequence doesnt seem to matter as long as we can cater to our self-satisfying whims.

Regarding such attitudes, let me say this: sin is sin even if everyone else is doing it, and right is right even if no one else is doing it. Furthermore, the Bible doesnt have to say thou shalt not: thou shalt not use instrumental music; thou shalt not have solos, trios and choirs; thou shalt not clap your hands, tap your feet or imitate musical instruments with your voice. The positive commands that God set forth in His inspired Word negates the need for any further elaboration; it nullifies the need for any further instruction. This is an irrevocable fact.

To obey or not to obey, is a choice of the heart that each of us freely makes. One can justify that which he does, but the justification will not make it right in the sight of God. This is true in every aspect of our Christian life whether it be in the realm of modest dress, type of recreation, or appropriate music in worship.

But I like my guitar; I want to play it while I sing praises to my Lord: this is an actual quotation that weve heard since weve been in Australia. In all fairness to my Australian brethren, however, I must tell you that the words were uttered by an American who no longer lives in this country. Nevertheless, the possibility of playing instruments in worship was planted in the minds of those who looked to this person as a spiritual pace setter in the church. Many followed the lead of this young woman and her successful husband. The seeds of error they scattered during their tenure here will, in all probability, someday germinate, take root, and grow. I make mention of this; firstly, because Im concerned; secondly, to alert you to the secular trends that are coming into our country; thirdly, to show how such trends weaken the cause of Christ. Rather than following the trends of the world, Christians should be setting the trends for the world to follow.

We are the light of the world (Matthew 5:14-16). If we allow the winds of change to extinguish our lights, we will lose our illuminating effect.

Weve been sanctified (I Corinthians 6:11). Weve been purified (I Peter 1:22). Weve been washed by the blood of the Lamb (Revelation 1:5). Weve been set apart to be a peculiar people -- a special people (I Peter 2:9). Denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world. (Titus 2:12).

As a whole, the younger generation of the church no longer objects to musical instruments in the worship service; they say the issue should not be a test of fellowship. But this is not the main battle line. No. Satan, through the medium of change agents has turned our attention to the realm of special music (i.e., solos, choirs, etc.), and those who oppose the change are branded as troublemakers. It is said that we are hampering the noble effort to make worship more meaningful. It is also said that we are creedal and divisive. But, as Dave Miller points out in his book, Piloting the Strait, those who are promoting special music are clearly the disrupters. And yet (as Dave also points out), they are masters of acting innocent in this regard.

They are likewise specialists at moving from the New Testament allows special music to the New Testament promotes special music. The militancy with which innovators are now advancing their agenda is shocking and heartbreaking. (Miller, Piloting the Strait).

Shocking! Heartbreaking! Indeed! If God through the Spirit guided the apostles into all truth: which He did (John 16:13), and if by divine guidance their music consisted solely of a capella singing by the congregation: which it did (Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16); should not this be our practice today? I think so! Secular trends are not safe criteria for Christians to follow; neither are personal whims.

To follow the lead of the change agents is a soul-destructive course which should be avoided at all cost. Instrumental music and special music (i.e. choirs, etc.) are inconsistent with New Testament teaching. Therefore, it is unnecessary, unwise, and unscriptural to incorporate these innovations into our worship services. Matthew 28:18-20 leaves the church no liberty in regard to the elements of worship (including music).

When we examine this passage closely, we see: firstly, that the apostles were to teach all things which Christ commanded them; secondly, logically implied, the apostles were to teach nothing but what Christ commanded; thirdly, the church should obey the apostles teachings. Again I say, this leaves no liberty in regard to the elements of worship.

There are those who sometimes claim that instrumental music should be used in Christian worship because David, the singer in Israel, sang praises to God with the accompanying strains of an instrument (Psalm 150:3,4). But, we must remember that David introduced instrumental music into Hebrew worship some 400 years after Gods commandments were issued on Mt. Sinai (II Chronicles 29:25). God tolerated instrumental music in worship, but later the prophet Amos pronounced a curse upon those who, like David, introduced instrumental music into worship: Woe unto them that...sing idle songs to the sound of the viol, and invent for themselves instruments of music like David (Amos 6:5). Thus even under the moonlight age of Judaism, instrumental music in worship was questioned. (Haun, The Kind of Music God Wants).

Perhaps it should be noted that while instruments were tolerated in worship under the Old Law, Christians are no longer under the Old Law (Colossians 2:14). Perhaps it should also be noted that God through Paul says that those who try to justify something today because it was sanctioned (or tolerated) under the Old Law are fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). We do not use instruments of music in worship because we are of Christ; not of David (Galatians 3:24). When we rightly divide the Word, this truth comes into focus more clearly (II Timothy 2:15).

All New Testament references regarding the type of music that God condones, in both public and private worship, state that Christians are to sing.

Matt 26:30 & Mk 14:26: When they had sung an hymn, they went out...

Acts 16:25: At midnight Paul and Silas prayed and sang praises....

Rom 15:9: I will sing unto thy name...

I Cor 14:15: I will sing with the spirit and the understanding...

Eph 5:19: Speaking to yourself in psalms and hymns...

Col 3:16: Admonishing one another with psalms and hymns...

Heb 2:12: In the midst of the congregation I will sing thy praises...

James 5:13: Is any merry? Let him sing Psalms...

Whatever might be said in favour of instrumental music, no one doubts that we are worshipping God in truth by simply singing and making melody in our hearts; neither are we going beyond what is written (I Corinthians 4:6).

Many who advocate the use of an instrument in Christian worship turn to the book of Revelation, citing passages that speak of harps in heaven, and conclude that whatever is suitable in heaven should be permitted in the church (Revelation 14:2,3). We must keep in mind, however, that Revelation is highly figurative; it draws symbolic pictures. Did John actually hear harpers harping with their harps? No! He heard 144,000 singing praises to the Lamb of God like unto harpers harping with their harps; the melody was just that beautiful; if God should choose to have harps in heaven, it still would not sanction the use of such on earth. The principle of acceptable worship is not what will or will not be in heaven, but what God wills here on earth. There will be a sea of glass, jasper walls, and a golden street in heaven, but we dont attempt to reproduce those within the church.

Another argument for the use of instrumental music in worship is that its use is parallel to that of song books. Some cannot distinguish between a book that keeps silent during worship and an organ which, if anything, drowns out the voices that God would like to hear.

Delton Haun, in his tract: The Kind of Music God Wants, suggests an exercise that might be profitable. Take a pencil and paper and draw a line down the centre of the page. Label one column: Commandments of God. Label the other: Commandments of Men. Then use these columns to classify a dozen or so things which are commonly practised in religion today. For example: preaching, prayer, Lords supper, baptism, etc. Include a proof text for as many as possible.

Under which heading would you place preaching? Commandments of God. How do we know? Because preaching is commanded in II Timothy 4:2. What about prayer? What about counting prayer beads? What about the Lords supper? What about burning incense? Under which column would you put each of these items? Now, in all frankness, in which column must we place instruments of music? Can you see how we are obliged to place it under: Commandments of Men, owing to the fact that authorisation for such in worship cannot be found in the New Testament. It simply isnt there! From this simple exercise, can you see how, in vain we worship teaching for doctrines the commandments of men? (Matthew 15:9).

It was no oversight on the part of God that instruments have been omitted from church worship. His divine power hath granted unto us all things that pertain to life and godliness. (II Peter 1:3).

Before we zero in on special music in the church, lets think for a moment about the word: psallo. Since the original meaning of the word was to touch, pluck, strike, etc., some claim that this Greek word implies accompaniment with man-made instruments. In the New Testament, however, psallo is always translated to sing because the melody is made by touching the chords of the human heart. Hence the heart is the only instrument permitted by the Lord in expressing divine praise. If, perchance, psallo meant to sing with instrumental accompaniment, the apostles violated the confidence that Christ placed in them, for they did not use musical instruments as they sang; neither did they teach the early church to use them. On the contrary, instruments were not introduced until the church had apostatised.

Now, lets turn our attention to the supporters of special music that are causing such a ripple in the church today. Like the instrumentalist, special music supporters draw attention to practices outside the New Testament; however, if one wishes to be a New Testament Christian, he must remain within the guidelines of the New Testament. Old Testament worship and early church digressions provide no assistance whatsoever in determining divine protocol for New Testament worship in the church today. Our worship must be derived exclusively and warranted by the pattern of worship thats set forth in the New Testament.

As already pointed out, church historians record the use of choirs as a post-first century development, and describe the earliest worship of the church as being exclusively congregational. Records also show that many reformation and restoration leaders voiced opposition in regard to special music issues.

A solo or choir, by definition, excludes the collective whole (i.e., the rest of those assembled). The moment the soloist or choir (or any other select number of singers) isolates itself for the purpose of presenting a programme of special music (whether it be one song or several) it becomes an unscriptural item in the house of the Lord.

From whence comes the innovators authority for such? Well, strangely enough, they use Scripture: I Corinthians 14:26, Colossians 3:16, and Ephesians 5:19. On what premise do they base their argument? Lets see if we can unravel their threads of confusion.

Firstly, I Corinthians 14:15,26: What is it then?...I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also (vs. 15). How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying (vs. 26). To quote David Miller:

Anyone who insists that Paul was referring to solo singing in these two passages could not prove it if his life depended on it. At least four other equally plausible interpretations fit the context. Each one has a psalm could refer to: (1) inspired solo-singing that terminated with all other miraculous gifts; (2) song leaders; (3) recitation of an inspired psalm (i.e., poem); and (4) hymn writers teaching the congregation a new song. Evidences for hymn writers in the early church are seen in the references by Justin Martyr (Apology, v,28), Tertullian (De Anima, c.9), and Eusebius (Ecclesiastical History, v,28) (Piloting the Strait)

Regarding evidences for hymn writers in the early church, McClintock and Strong state:

Here we have not only testimony to the use of spiritual songs in the Christian Church from the remotest antiquity, but also that there were hymn writers in the apostolic Church, and that their songs were collected for use at a very early date of the Christian Church. (Cyclopaedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, Vol 6, p. 757)

The word psalm (psalmos) simply refers to an authoritative writing. Again, as Dave points out in his assessment of changes in the church: When the word psalm does refer to a song to be sung (rather than merely read or studied), the term itself contains no indication regarding under what circumstances it is to be sung. Change agents act as if the passage ought to be translated -- each one has a solo!

If anything, Corinths problem lay in the fact that individuals were being disruptive in the assembly by failing to take their turn, but exactly what they were failing to do in an orderly fashion is ambiguous. We must not allow this one passage to alter the meaning of clearer passages which set forth specific guidelines regarding music in the church.

It must be noted, however, that special music advocates also quibble over the clear meaning of Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16. For example, some say if an individual can speak or read to the congregation, he or she could also sing the same material to the congregation. In their words: There is no significant difference in singing praises and saying praises. But (as Ive said before) every worship practice must be authorised and sanctioned by God. Solo singing cannot be justified on the basis of solo reading or preaching. There must be separate authority for each. As far as that goes, reading, teaching, and preaching differ vastly from singing. Its true, they share a common factor; they both teach and admonish -- but they are not the same. Singing is done in such a way that everyone assembled participates at the same time; whereas, by definition and design, preaching cannot and must not function at the same time. Such would create confusion in direct violation of the principle of peace and order that is to be maintained in public worship (I Corinthians 14:31,40). However, singing may be engaged in by everyone at the same time, which is precisely the thrust of Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16.

Herein lies another quibble. Special music supporters reason that those (like us) who oppose special music in the assembly must hold to the view that the entire congregation must sing every word simultaneously. This (as you can quickly see) would rule out the singing of songs that have predominant bass and alto parts in which some singers have a few seconds of silence while the others sing. In other words, while we point our finger and say: You cannot have choirs and solos, they point their finger and say: If we cannot have choirs and solos, you cannot sing in four-part harmony. This reasoning, of course, simply fails to grasp the essence of reciprocity.

To fully appreciate the meaning of Colossians 3:16 and Ephesians 5:19, certain grammatical features of the Greek language must be grasped. From these grammatical features, certain observations and conclusions can be drawn. For example teaching, admonishing, and singing are not separate, unrelated activities...Pauls reference to singing is his way of completing and clarifying his initial instructions regarding teaching and admonishing...After all the grammar has been examined and after all the arguments have been presented, one fact remains powerfully clear: A simple, unbiased reading of Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 leaves the reader with the clear sense that God wants the church to assemble together and to sing together. The unprejudiced reader would certainly not get the impression that Paul was encouraging solos and choirs (Miller, Piloting the Strait)

While every single Christian in the assembly may not sing every single word of the song at precisely the same moment, the language of Scripture makes clear that all are obligated to participate together. The act of segregating the soloist or choir group by its very nature militates against reciprocity. The whole point of a choir is for some to sing while others listen in silence with no intention of participating together vocally...Notice, then, the three possibilities with regard to the song service: (1) part of the congregation may be quarantined from the rest of the congregation to sing one or more songs by themselves while the rest of the membership function as spectators; (2) the entire congregation may participate together in all the songs; (3) the entire congregation may engage in simultaneous singing with everyone saying the same words at the same time. Both the second and third possibilities conform to the reciprocity requirement of Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16. The first possibility simply does not. (Miller, The Spiritual Sword, Vol.25, No.1)

In the words of Brother Wayne Jackson:

"It is a tragically sad fact that there are multitudes of deceived people in the religious world who, rather than having a God-oriented faith, have a man-centred religion. More specifically, they have an auto-centric religion. That expression simply suggests that such people direct their religious lives consistent with what pleases them; Jehovahs will is not consulted in the matter."

To quote further from Brother Jackson:
"When Gods standard of truth for regulating genuine worship is dismissed, and feelings are relied upon, the floodgates of apostasy and perversion are thrown wide open. Those who respect Heavens will, will circumscribe their emotions with Truth, and not let their feelings run wild."

To bring our quotations closer to home, Brother Glen Tattersall wrote in the September, 1996 issue of Onward and Upward:
". . .to have any other music in New Testament worship other than what comes from a sincere heart is to add to what God has commanded. Unfortunately many today want to vary what the Scriptures say -- not to be pleasing to God, but rather to please and entertain themselves! Jesus warns that those who do, render their worship in vain. (Matthew 15:9)."

In my own mind, I have wondered why, after a hundred and fifty years of unity, the issue of music in the church has resurfaced; more specifically, why has special music emerged with such velocity and strength? Could it be that the old guard has let down its guard? Or has the old guard (in their vigilance to do battle with the instrumentalist) left the back door ajar, allowing Satan to enter from another direction? As a result, special music has crept in as an enhancer rather than marching in as an intruder. For sure, enhancement seems to be the premise on which the innovators stand. But, I ask, how can anything contrary to Gods Holy Word serve as an enhancer in worship? How can Christians justify using such a feeble focusing point? Special music in the worship of God is as much of a violation of Gods instructions as the use of instruments, and thus sinful. Underscore that point! Special music is a sin that needs to be repented of (Romans 3:23). Innovations that will spark up the singing and give new life and meaning to our worship need to be exposed and expelled. We must be careful, lest these sparks burn up the good works of God. Those among us who want to engage in a particular method of worship for the purpose of producing an aesthetically pleasing alternative, are self-focused and self-condemning members of the body of Christ. Not only must we (as a united force) lift up our voices in song, we must also (as a united force) lift up our voices in opposition to the soul-destructive trends that have invaded the sanctity of our worship.

While I am exposing digressions and issuing warnings, let me cite one more danger zone in regard to music in the church. Some are now insisting that congregations may require the use of a worship team (i.e., men and women who are either situated in front of the assembly or scattered throughout the auditorium with their own microphones to strengthen and enrich the congregations singing).

The first time I happened on to such a situation was about three years ago while travelling in the States. For convenience sake, we worshipped with the nearest congregation to our motel rather than taking the time to seek out a well-known, doctrinally sound group. On the surface, everything seemed normal as we entered the building. Bible class went well -- I was even asked to give an impromptu report on our work in Australia.

Then the worship hour began, and there they were: five of them (three men and two women) all lined up in a row just across the aisle from where we were seated: each with a microphone; drowning out everyone else in our section. Mind you now, this was a congregation of several hundred. I have no idea how many of these worship teams were scattered throughout that great auditorium. As far as that goes, I didnt even know there was such a thing as a worship team in the church until that eventful day (guess I had been away from the States too long). For a brief moment, I entertained the thought that maybe I had given my enlightening report to the wrong group; maybe I wasnt even in the Lords church.

Talk about strengthening and enriching -- the only thing it strengthened for me was a resolve to be more careful about where I stop for worship when travelling; it certainly did nothing to enrich the worshipful attitude that I should have had. Instead, it left me feeling frustrated and angry with my brethren for allowing such an innovation. I learned later that worship in the church is now subdivided into participatory and presentational formats. Solos and choirs fall under the label presentational -- Im not sure which category worship teams fit into. In my mind, however, they present a bit of hype and glitter that is out of character with Gods divine will.

For one to achieve a state of righteousness that glorifies God, one must pattern his worship according to the specifications that are laid down in Gods Word. This includes church music which must, of necessity, be exclusively congregational singing: no instruments; no special music; no worship teams; no self-satisfying innovations of any sort.

May God help us find contentment and satisfaction in simple, unpretentious New Testament worship. May we rediscover the heartfelt fulfilment and genuine excitement that can only come from simple submission to the words of our great God and Father. (Miller)



BIBLIOGRAPHY

Haun, Delton. The Kind of Music God Wants. Delton Haun Tract Co.

Jackson, Wayne. Worship--By Feelings of Faith. Spiritual Sword, Oct. 1978

Miller, David. Solos and Choirs in the Worship Assembly. Spiritual Sword, Oct. 1993, pp. 26-31.

Miller, David. Piloting the Strait. Pulaski TN: Sain Publications, 1996

Sanders and Squire. Church Music. Vermont Ave. Church of Christ, Los Angeles, CA.

Tattersall, Glen. Music in the Ears of God! Onward and Upward, Sept. 1996.

 
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Dave
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Really Good Stuff

October 5 2010, 11:41 AM 

Pulled one out of the closet, didn't ya Donnie? Got to keep things stirred up, and understandably so.....
We were talking about an older respected church of Christ preacher, Gus Nichols, and a debate that someone had attended many years ago. The person attending the debate said everyone in the church of Christ called it a victory, but so did all the ones in the denominational church where the opposing man preached.

Kinda like here with everyone believing that their way is the right way, which is fine and good....UNTIL they start pointing fingers and accusing the other side of being wrong and sinful.

 
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Donnie
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Restoration Movement is good stuff

October 5 2010, 3:14 PM 

Dave,

What were you doing talking about Gus Nichols? I'm so surprised that you weren't talking about the Change Movement preachers or the "change we can believe in" in politics. That's what the change agents in the church and the politicians have in common -- change, transform, restructure, reorganize the original church or the U.S. constitution.

So, did you ridicule Gus Nichols? Whose side were you on? Either? Neither? Is one church as good as another?

Since you've gone so far as to talk about an old, respected preacher, I have a suggestion for your next meeting: learn about the great men of the Restoration Movement. We have been doing a little bit of that here and now -- Thomas and Alexander Campbell, Barton W. Stone, et al -- but no response from truth seekers like you as yet?

BTW, has your congregation employed yet the services of the "Praise Team" [the "Baptist CHOIR" for the "new-and-improved church of Christ"]?

Don't worry and be surprised about this thread alone. There will be more coming.

 
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Dave
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Re: Restoration Movement is good stuff

October 5 2010, 4:03 PM 

Surprised??? Donnie, the only thing that would surpise me, by you, is for you to speak the Truth.
Other than that......nothing else.

 
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Donnie
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Truth is ... it's only the truth that we speak to Dave about

October 5 2010, 6:20 PM 

Sorry, Dave, but if you learn more about your heritage, the Restoration Movement -- not the Change Agents and their "change we can believe in" -- we will both be speaking the same truth and the same language.

Your problem is that you've gone too far to the left, liberal way that you claim to be the new way.

Nope!!! Jeremiah 6:16 says this --
"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they [the change agents] said, We will not walk therein."

The truth does not change.

Donnie

 
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Ken Sublett
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More truth

October 5 2010, 6:48 PM 

While those boasting about infiltrating and diverting, there have been few converts to the use of instrments. This has been mostly as a separate "congregation" using the same space to attract more contributors. They are in fact a divided group and God still hats those who sow discord.

There are many more who have added "special music" by hiring "worship teams" where singing is performance by the few for the many. These also oozed into existence by driving out the owners.

More profound has been the Jubilee's defining the ONLY role of church as "worship" which is defined as worshiping with the works of the human body: performing rhetoric and performing music. "Music" occurs in the historic sense only when the whole body moves in 'symphony' as dance.

This makes the whole church (with small enhancement groups performing in situ) into a musical worship team where the goal is on the perfection of performance.

That probably has afflicted many more than we are able to count. No one in the Bible or historic church SANG as a form of ceremonial legalism thinking that they could "work" their way into God's favor. Or, attract those who could not be attracted by using the commanded text "that which is written for our learning."

Once you think that singing is just an act disconnected from the Biblical text, it no longer is performed to teach and admonish one another and "Comfort with Scripture." (Rom 15).

That means that new style song books and the non-word ACappella consists of songs composed to be accompanied with instruments. That's why adding instruments becomes a smaller step.

Congregational singing has been removed from the Biblical text but no one "introduces" congregational singing for the sole purpose of chasing away the owners and selling their instruments defined as "machines for doing hard work" this is "mostly in making war" or in "creating the shock and awe" or ecstasy which can be sold as worship.

 
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Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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