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Ken Sublett
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Sorcery on Infants

August 15 2017, 1:27 PM 

Even there is not command, example or remote inference of group singing with or without instrument and Scripture gives Jubal and lucifer as the source of using music, David Young uses an infant's response to music to prove that GOD built in music as a good thing.

However, even in adults complex music drags up the urge to FIGHT, FLIGHT or as a SEXUAL stimulus. An infant knows nothing about music but understands that meter and elevated voices prove that music probably derived from fright induced by a sable-toothed tiger: because the sound induced FRIGHT, evil men understood that a voice or the infention of Brass or "bell metal" made them able to spook the old and modern emotions intended to show pain or pleasure.

Look at even simple ELEVATED voices set to the heart beat or drum beat and understand why music means "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter.

https://voices.nationalgeographic.org/2013/11/12/the-emotional-baby-how-infants-respond-to-music/


 
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David Young: Music calls down a holy spirit Pindar Part A-B

August 16 2017, 9:12 PM 

I have enhanced my Pindar quote but I can post all day and show why there is NO METRICAL text in the Bible; and the command is to SPEAK Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs ALL in the text of the Bible including the Book of Psalms. Therefore, people who claim that A SPIRIT told them to use any form in music in the assembly is probably APOLLYON the only personified spirit.

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Universal repudiation of pleasures which OBSCURES THE TRUT

August 17 2017, 2:20 PM 

THE ANCIENTS BEFORE THE POST-LITERATE ERA OF THEOLOGIANS KNEW THE MEANING OF MUSIC

http://www.piney.com/FathLactVI.html

(Lactantius, The Divine Institutes, Ante-Nicene Fathers, VII, p. 188

Chapter XXI.-Of the Pleasures of the Ears, and of Sacred Literature.

Pleasure of the ears is received from the sweetness of voices and strains, which indeed is as productive of vice as that delight of the eyes of which we have spoken.

For who would not deem him luxurious and worthless who should have scenic arts at his house?
.....But it makes no difference whether you practise luxury alone at home, or with the people in the theatre.
"But we have already spoken of spectacles: there remains one thing which is to be overcome by us,
.....that we be not captivated by those things which penetrate to the innermost perception. (emotions only)
.....For all those things which are unconnected with words, (just speaking in tongues)
.....that is, pleasant sounds of the air and of strings,
.....may be easily disregarded, because they do not adhere to us, and cannot be written...

1Corinthians 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
1Corinthians 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood,
how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

But a well-composed poem, and a speech be-guiling with its sweetness, captivate the minds of men, and impel them in what direction they please.
Hence, when learned men have applied themselves to the religion of God, unless they have been instructed176 by some skilful teacher, they do not believe.
.....For, being accustomed to sweet and polished speeches or poems,
.....they despise the simple and common language of the sacred writings as mean.

For they seek that which may soothe the senses. But whatever is pleasant to the ear effects persuasion, and while it delights fixes itself deeply within the breast.
Is God, therefore, the contriver both of the mind, and of the voice, and of the tongue,

.....unable to speak eloquently? Yea, rather, with the greatest foresight, He wished those things which are divine to be without adornment,
.....that all might understand the things which He Himself spoke to all.

Therefore he who is anxious for the truth,

.....who does not wish to deceive himself, must lay aside hurtful and injurious pleasures,
.....which would bind the mind to themselves, as pleasant food does the body: true things must be preferred to false, .....eternal things to those which are of short duration, useful things to those which are pleasant.

Let nothing be pleasing to the sight but that which you see to be done with piety and justice;

let nothing be agreeable to the hearing but that which nourishes the soul and makes you a better man. And especially this sense ought not to be distorted to vice, since it is given to us for this purpose, that we might gain the knowledge of God.

Therefore, if it be a pleasure to hear melodies and songs, let it be pleasant to sing and hear the praises of God. This is true pleasure, which is the attendant and companion of virtue. This is not frail and brief, as those which they desire, who, like cattle, are slaves to the body; but lasting, and affording delight without any intermission.

And if any one shall pass its limits, and shall seek nothing else from pleasure but pleasure itself, he designs for himself death; for as there is perpetual life in virtue, so there is death in pleasure. For he who shall choose temporal things will be without things eternal; he who shall prefer earthly things will not have heavenly things.

 
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NBLVD elders preachers say a SPIRIT ccomes when you reat a ditty five times

August 17 2017, 10:42 PM 

The Catholic Trinity gives end-time deceivers the claim to CAST VISION (a wicca term) and claim that NOW they hear a spirit person telling them that Lying to God and About God is now approved. Spirit is the BREATH of God and He breaths the Spirit without measure, METRON or musical meter.

Jesus Articulates and makes Visible God in his task as WORD, LOGOS or Regulative principle. That excludes rhetoric, singers and instrument players. Jesus calls them hypocrites as Scribes and Pharisees.

Claiming that Jesus IS God but now supplemented by A Holy Spirit Person or rejecting the Word is ANTICHRIST.

Rom. 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

No spirit people:

Rom. 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
.....which was made of the seed of David according to the FLESH;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
.....according to the spirit OF holiness, [not a people]
.....by the resurrection from the dead:
Rom. 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship,
..........for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom. 1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

No spirit person

.........2John 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought,
................but that we receive a full reward.
.........2John 9 Whosoever transgresseth,
................and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
.........He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
.................he hath both the Father and the Son.

Lord and Christ are not GOD WORDS.

.....No spirit people

...........2John 7 For many DECEIVERS are entered into the world,
................who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the FLESH.
................This is a DECEIVER and an ANTICHRIST.

THEY HATE YOU IF YOU DON'T "FELLERSHIP" WITH THEM!

2John 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2John 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

That includes MOST Churches of Christ who took the MARK of Antichristism only recently.





 
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It is time to let it go

August 23 2017, 4:56 AM 


 
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The North Boulevard Predestined Pattern

August 23 2017, 11:22 AM 

You do not have the power to forgive people whose PATTERN says that Amos was not condemning their WORSHIP but their attitude. Amos speaks of the MARZEAH which is a musical feast with and for dead ancestors. The Jews as pattern from Messianic Jews "had a covenant with death and hell." They fleece the widows to preach A Christian World View which is an oxymoron. The World or Kosmos or the ECUMENICAL is the kingdom of the Devil.

Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
Amos 5:22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the NOISE of thy songs; for I will not hear the MELODY of thy VIOLS.
Amos 5:24 BUT let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.
Amos 5:25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which YE MADE TO YOURSELVELS
Amos 5:27 THEREFORE will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord [YHWH], whose name is The God [ELOHIM]of hosts.

THAT'S BECAUSE GOD DID NOT COMMAND ANY OF THE PATTERN IMITATED BY CHURCHES OF THIS WORLD ORDER.

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"In pagan traditions, musical instruments are invented by gods or demi-gods, such as titans. In the Bible, credit is assigned to antediluvian patriarchs, for example, the descendants of Cain in Genesis 4:21. There is no other biblical tradition about the invention of musical instruments." (Freedman, David Noel, Bible Review, Summer 1985, p. 51). (Proof Here).

"The marzeah had an extremely long history extending at least from the 14th century B.C. through the Roman period. In the 14th century B.C., it was prominently associated with the ancient Canaanite city of Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra), on the coast of Syria... The marzeah was a pagan ritual that took the form of a social and religious association... Some scholars regard the funerary marzeah as a feast for--and with--deceased ancestors (or Rephaim, a proper name in the Bible for the inhabitants of Sheol)." (King, Biblical Archaeological Review, Aug, 1988, p. 35, 35) ----

"These five elements are: (1) reclining or relaxing, (2) eating a meat meal, (3) singing with harp or other musical accompaniment, (4) drinking wine and (5) anointing oneself with oil." (King, p. 37).

"With the wine-drinking (which is the literal meaning of the Hebrew for feasting), went music and dancing." (Heaton, E. W., Everyday Life in Old Testament times, Scribners, p. 93)

"Worship was form more than substance; consequently, conduct in the marketplace was totally unaffected by worship in the holy place. Amos spoke from the conviction that social justice is an integral part of the Mosaic covenant, which regulates relations not only between God and people, but also among people." (King, p. 44).


The mark on Cain is his name which means "a musical note and a lance which strikes fast." The word HANDLE means IN A SEXUAL SENSE

http://www.piney.com/MuLamech.html

Conrad L'Heureux demonstrated that the marzeah, or symposium (feast, gathering, banquet, assembly) of El that is found in the Rephaim Texts of Ugarit "must be a reflex in the divine world of the symposium [don't get fluted down with wine] celebrated by the members of the EARTHLY marzeah of El...each guild apparently had a divine patron."42 The heavenly marzeah had participants called rp'm, which we also find in the earthly marzeah, e.g., "May Krt be greatly exalted among the rp'm of the earth...the rp'm constitute an aristocracy of which the Canaanite kings were a part."43 Moses, and the prophets following him were proclaimed as "Speakers for Yahweh," showing the people that "they are sent from the divine king, the suzerain of treaties, to reprove and to pronounce judgment upon Israel..."44

Note 42: Conrad L'Heureux, "The Ugaritic and Biblical Rephaim," Harvard Theological Review, 67(1974): 270-271.

Note 43. Conrad L'Heureux, Rephaim, 271. Cf. 272, footnote 25, the authority of El is ordinarily exercised through the younger generation of gods whom we could call the executive deities. It is also possible to understand the term rp'm as "the assembly of the gods." The entire premise of Jacobsen's article "Primitive Democracy," is that the groups and assemblies on earth reflected what the gods had done in heaven.


That was the original purpose for the Musical Worship Team Abomination "leading you into the presence of God" but they, says Paul in Ephesians 4 are LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE

This is PROVEN by the trinity and the claim that THE holy spirit is guiding you to slander godly people.

This was called "prophesying" by those who "made self a prophet." David made his warrior musicians into PROPHESIERS which means ot make war or make sorcery and never make spirituall Word. The Israelites had been abandoned ot Dionysus or Bacchus "worship of the starry host" because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. God heard that as a prayer and answered them. Therefore, when you lift prooftexts out of the Monarchy, king, temple and sacrificial system you are restoring the Abomination of Desolation which featured Zeus and Dionysus (new wineskin god) in the Temple. This ultimately, like the word PSALM and PSALMOS is Egyptian-Greek and not faithful Israelites:

Aristophanes' Lysistrata speaks to North Boulevard being controlled by the KAIROS CHURCH PLANTING PLOT where Kairos is te the DEMON son of Zeus among all pagans and KAIROS means "the right time and place to mount a attack. The Greek HALAL as the pattern for ALL musical idolatry refuting recorded history is the MARK which we mortals cannot forgive because their is no redemption.

Call upon Bacchus, AFIRE with his Maenades [mad women singers];
Call upon Zeus in the lightning arrayed;
Call on his queen, ever blessed, adorable;
Call on the holy, infallible Witnesses,
Call them to witness the peace and the harmony,
This which divine Aphrodite has made.

Allala! Lalla! Lallala! Lallala!
Whoop for victory, Lallalalae!
Evoi! Evoi! Lallala, Lallala!
Evae! Evae! Lallalalae.

The word lelein is fundamentally an onomatopoetic one, meaning, as Thayer's Lexicon puts it, to go 'la-la'. The Greeks shouted 'alala' both in worship and in war, and personified Alala as a deity (Pindar, Fr. 208 [78]; Plutarch 2.3496). It was this same repetitive and meaningless syllabification in pagan prayers which Jesus described: 'for they think they shall be heard for their much speaking' (Matthew 6:7)


David and the elders follow that REPEATING pattern which is the laded burden imposed by those with no role and not dole. They repeat this meaningless phrass over and over and say that the BEWITCHING is The Holy Spirit as a god person causing it. That is blasphemy because it despises all of recorded scripture.

New patterns of Christian worship appear to have been more difficult for women to adopt than men, as they had not known the dignified rite of Apollo or Zeus. For the most part, their religious expression had been accompanied by extravagances of every sort. We may quote Iamblichus again:

We affirm, accordingly, not only that the shoutings and choric songs are SACRED to the gods, each and all of them, as being peculiarly their own, but likewise that there is a kindred relationship between them in their proper order . . . and the peculiar usages of Sabazian [Jews] worship make ready for the Bacchic enthusiasm, the purifying of souls, and deliverances from old incriminations, their respective inspirations are, accordingly, different in every important particular.

Thou seemest to think that those who are enrapt by the Mother of the gods are males, for thou callest them, accordingly, 'Metrizontes' yet that is not true, for the 'Metrizontesae' are chiefly women (op cit., pp. 121-123

Such women must learn that they were purified not through shouting but through the blood of Christ and through the washing of the water of the Word.

"Long before Israel's existence, we find in Akkadian tablets the word halhallatu for 'double clarinet,' and we have many ancient representations of this instruments... Extremely popular for SECULAR purposes, the clarinet was played at WEDDINGS, BANQUETS, and FUNERAL. At funerals it served as accompaniment to the customary WAILING women; this is the meaning of Matt. 9:23. The chief characteristics of the clarinet were: popularity, juxtaposition with hand drum and lyre, expression of extreme emotionalism, and symbolic meaning of FERTILITY and RESURRECTION." (Int. Std. Bible Dict., p. 472).


Jesus cast out the Musical Worship team "more or less violently like one ejects dung" when they CLAIMED to be able to assist Jesus.


    
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Ken, addicted to to the gods?

August 23 2017, 1:25 PM 



Sad....so sad.

I have better things to do.

 
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Re: Ken, addicted to the gods?

August 28 2017, 9:40 AM 


Ken, you should make up with David.



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Thanks, Rancor: God made you post the out of context.

August 28 2017, 10:42 AM 

If you have better things to do the twisted view of Psalm 139 will say YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE!" They say that God saw the NEED for Rancor so He MADE YOU be ANTI-Logos.

Matt. 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain:
.....and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Matt. 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Matt. 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


The POOR IN SPIRIT does not build upon the foundation of personal experiences and SELF EXHIBITION. Jesus commanded us to GO because He doesn't visit HOUSES or religious OBSERVATIONS: these are the MARKS that God may have created you to be an angel of light?

DON'T GO THERE: THE KINGDOM OF GOD FOR THE POOR IN SPIRIT WILL SHOW UP AS EMPTY PEWS.

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Matt. 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn:
.....for they shall be comforted.
Matt. 5:5 Blessed are the meek:
.....for they shall inherit the earth.
Matt. 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness:
.....for they shall be filled.
Matt. 5:7 Blessed are the merciful:
.....for they shall obtain mercy.
Matt. 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart:
.....for they shall see God.
Matt. 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers:
.....for they shall be called the children of God.
Matt. 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake:
.....for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matt. 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you,
.....and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Matt. 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad:
.....for great is your reward in heaven:
.....for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


The Spirit OF Christ defined the REST as the Assembly OF Christ both inclusively and exclusively in the prophets,

Jesus CERTIFIED the Prophets, Law and Psalms CONCERNING ME as "Scripture."
Peter said that is NOT to be private interpreted or FURTHER EXPOUNDING or SOLD which violates Isaiah 55.

God BLINDS and makes DEAF those who do not love the WORD (Logos, Regulative Principle). They do not "teach that which has been taught" because God has control of their brain and will not permit them to speak truth as a Poor and Meek and Suffering Slave.

More later: you will want to read all of the RACA statements in the CHANGE article.

 
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Re: Ken, addicted to the gods?

August 28 2017, 3:27 PM 


Ken,

Perhapz a long walk?

 
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Re: Ken, addicted to to the gods?

August 28 2017, 2:44 PM 


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Re: Ken, addicted to to the gods?

August 28 2017, 4:03 PM 

If you tell me where these guys are preaching I will send a truck to pick them up before they are cast into TOPHETH.

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Re: Ken, addicted to to the gods?

August 28 2017, 4:04 PM 

No, No, No! A long nap while my 91 year old sister brought be a large bag of tomatoEs

 
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R. L. Dabney. History of Instrumental Apostasy.

September 22 2017, 4:04 PM 

The Progressives mock churches of Christ for basing its assemblies on the Bible (maybe once upon a time). They call it historyless meaning that they do NOT defend tradition and CHURCH COUNCILS. Too bad for them there is no church council before the Church of England with the King or Queen as the head or VICAR with little changes from the Roman version.

http://www.piney.com/Dabney.html

February 22, 1849 "There is one fact connected with the introduction of organs into those of our churches which have adopted them, which is exceedingly distressful. It is the reason which we always hear assigned, among other reasons, for their introduction, and which we believe has been in every case the most operative one.

It is always urged: "we must have an organ to keep pace with other churches in attracting a congregation, and in retaining the young and thoughtless."

"Has it come then to this, that the chaste spouse of Christ is reduced to borrow the meretricious adornment of the "scarlet whore," in order to catch the unholy admiration of the ungodly? Not thus did the Apostles devise to bring sinners to the church.

"They were taught (and unpaid) to go after them, into the highways and hedges, with the wooings of mercy and love; to allure them by the beauty of holiness; to urge them by the terrors of the law.

If we are authorized to add to God's worship, forms purely of human device,

in order to make it more palatable to sinners, to what corruptions shall we not give entrance

And of the addition of drama?

"The Popish church of South America attracts multitudes of worshippers, by gross theatrical representations. According to this mode of operations, which has introduced organs into our churches, a Presbyterian Church in South American might find it necessary to imitate idolatrous Papists, and convert God's house into a play-house. An excuse which will justify such an enormity as this under different circumstances, is surely no valid excuse for any thing. We believe that all such artifices, of human device, to catch popularity, are inconsistent with the genius of the Presbyterian Church, derogatory of her honor, and blasting to her interests. It was her glory and her strength, that she aimed to commend herself by her firm devotion to truth, by the purity of her discipline, the pre-eminence of her ministry, and the justice of her polity. If she will cleave to these traits and rest upon them in humble faith in her divine Head, she will prosper.

But when once she descends from the high vantage ground of intellectual, theological, and moral superiority, to chaffer [barter] for popularity by human devices, and doubtful arts, her prestige will be gone. Other churches are better adapted to win in that race, and will surely outrun her. R. L. Dabney.


 
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Re: R. L. Dabney. History of Instrumental Apostasy.

October 3 2017, 1:15 AM 

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Re: Contemporary Musical Worship (see David Young: North Boulevard Hijacked)

September 23 2017, 4:20 PM 

There is no Biblical or other historical exception to the pattern. This limits no one's freedom to do whatever works. However, it is to show that the TRIBULATION is based on false accusations against instrumental churches. Many are led into hating others based on the accusation that Churches of Christ REMOVED "instrumental worship" when God COMMANDED it under the CARNAL Civil-Military-Clergy complex which God abandoned because the loud instrumental noise was used to silence infant holocaust as well as goats.

Clement of Alexandria notes that:

http://www.piney.com/FathClExHe.html

"the writer of comedy, expressing his dissatisfaction with the common usages, tries to expose the impious arrogance of the pravailing error in the drama of the Priestess, sagely declaring:
'If a man drags the Deity
Whither he will by the sound of cymbals,
He that does this is greater than the Deity;
But these are the instruments of audacity and
means of living
Invented by men.

The founding thesis of "musical worship teams" is that they could call God into their assemblies and "lead the audience into the presence of God and used as a means of living or SEEING GODLINESS AS A MEANS OF FINANCIAL GAIN. Jesus and Paul removed ALL money for the pattern of TEACHING THE FREE WATER OF THE WORD.

(Clement, Exhortation to the Heathen, Ante-Nicene, II, p. 193).

http://www.piney.com/FathClPed2.html

"Let revelry keep away from our rational entertainments, and foolish vigils, too, that revel in intemperance. For revelry is an inebriating pipe, the chain of an amatory bridge, that is, of sorrow. And let love, and intoxication, and senseless passions, be removed from our choir. Burlesque singing is the boon companion of drunkeness. A night spent over drink invites drunkeness, rouses lust, and is audacious in deeds of shame.

For if people occupy their time with pipes, and psalteries, and choirs, and dances, and Egyptian clapping of hands, and such disorderly frivolities, they become quite immodest and intractable, beat on cymbals, and drums, and make a noise on instruments of delusion." (Clement, Instructor)

Plato: Apology of Socrates and Crito crito,17.2 speaking directly to the charismatic prophesying being practiced by the women in Corinth:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/text?lookup=dyer+plat.+crito,17.2&vers=english&browse=1

hoi korubantiôntes: here a species of madness seems to be indicated,
under the influence of which men
imagined that they heard the flutes
that were used in Corybantian revels.
and the song of the bacchanals in Eur. Bacch. 123-127,
Corybantes, wearing helms three-rimmed,
Stretched skins to make my drum's full round;
Then they, in hollowed caves, lithe-limbed,
With drums, and, with the flute's shrill sound Full Phrygian, bacchic ditties hymned.

http://www.piney.com/DocEuripBacc.html#Anon

-Strabo Geography 10.3.15
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0198%3Abook%3D10%3Achapter%3D3%3Asection%3D15

[10.3.15] They invented names appropriate to the flute, and to
the noises made by castanets, cymbals, and drums,
and to their acclamations and shouts of "ev-ah,"
and stampings of the feet; and they also invented some of the names
by which to designate the ministers, choral dancers, and attendants upon the sacred rites,

I mean "Cabeiri" and "Corybantes" and "Pans" and "Satyri" and "Tityri,"

and they called the god "Bacchus," and Rhea [EVAH] "Cybele" or "Cybebe" or "Dindymene" according to the places where she was worshipped. Sabazius also belongs to the Phrygian group and in a way is the child of the Mother,, since he too transmitted the rites of Dionysus.

The Worship of the Jews was Sabazianism.

Strabo Geography 10.3.16
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0198%3Abook%3D10%3Achapter%3D3%3Asection%3D16

Of the rites of Dionysus condemned by Paul in First Corinthians and the wine drinking musical worship in Ephesus:

Also resembling these rites are the Cotytian and the Bendideian rites practiced among the Thracians, among whom the Orphic rites had their beginning. Now the Cotys who is worshipped among the Edonians, and also the instruments used in her rites, are mentioned by Aeschylus; for he says,

O adorable Cotys among the Edonians, and ye who hold mountain-ranging instruments;
And he mentions immediately afterwards the attendants of Dionysus: one, holding in his hands the bombyces (reed flute),
toilsome work of the turner's chisel, fills full the fingered melody,
the call that brings on FRENZY,
while another causes to resound the bronze-bound cotylae. (cupped cymbals or vases) "and again, stringed instruments raise their shrill cry, and frightful mimickers from some place unseen bellow like bulls, and the semblance of drums, as of subterranean thunder, rolls along, a terrifying sound.

Note: In connection with this bold use of "semblance" (eikôn) by Aeschylus, note Strabo's studied use of "resembles" (eoike, twice in this paragraph) and "unlikely" (apeikos). Others either translate eikôn "echo," or omit the thought.

The sounding brass (echoing) in First Corinthians thirteen was a Greek military instrument or hollow vase. It is directly related to the Chaldean which is a synonymn for astrologer. It was used like the familiar spirit or "old wineskin" of the witch of Endor to call up a ghost from the subterranean world. By whispering and murmuring into the skin the client heard mysterous sounds which were interpreted as from the gods. At the same time, it was used as a musical instrument or weapon to try to panic the enmy with the noise.
In connection with this bold use of "semblance" (eikōn) by Aeschylus, note Strabo's studied use of "resembles" (eoike, twice in this paragraph) and "unlikely" (apeikos). Others either translate eikōn "echo," or omit the thought.

 
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Re: Contemporary Musical Worship (see David Young: North Boulevard Hijacked)

September 25 2017, 9:43 PM 

I am always surprised that any time a song or PSALM is mentioned it is SPOKEN. Remember?

Eph. 5:19 SPEAKING to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
BUT as Paul continues his antithetical parallelism:
singing and making melody IN YOUR HEART to the Lord;

WHAT WE SPEAK IS THE IN THE ROMANS 15 PARALLEL "Using one mind and ONE MOUTH to speak THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING" or "Scripture for our Comfort." Jesus acts as "another Comforter" or PARAKLETE through His Words which are SPIRIT and LIFE.

Otherwise, musical idolaters call Paul IGNORANT because:

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Paul is speaking to two churches just out of paganism noted for music which "made the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

If this is not true the we look in vain for any of the gatherings held by Paul and others where there is ANY congregational singing as a PRACTICE. Nor is there congregational even of the rewritten Psalms until after Calvin. This is not a problem unless someone has stolen your property claiming that God COMMANDED vocal and/or instrumental "music."

FACT: Paul commanded SPEAKING or READING for anything called Scripture.
He used the Psallo and Ode word and put them IN the mind or silent.
He never COMMANDED singing during the Assembly and he never PRACTICED or engaged in any kind of Assembly music.

Paul limits his speaking to Scripture. However, many pretenders claimed that they had a divine message which the pagans delivered in a metrical but not musical form.

CONTRARY TO PAUL they could SPEAK in the Koine Greek understood by most OR they could be silent OR they could have an interpreter.

1Cor. 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a PSALM, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1Cor. 14:27 If any man SPEAK in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
1Cor. 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him SPEAK to himself, and to God.


Isn't Paul defined as IGNORANT for never saying or engaging in SINGING when the Church CAME TOGETHER? And no one until the church had almost completely fell into all of the available Apostasy.

 
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October 1 2017, 6:24 PM 

link doesn't work: can't find.Won't let me post the jpg link but this doesn't seem to be the right add.

http://bibleencyclopedia.com

Acts 16:23 And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:
Acts 16:24 Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks.
Acts 16:25 ¶ And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

g5214. humneo, hoom-neh´-o; from 5215; to hymn, i.e. sing a religious ode; by implication, to celebrate (God) in song: — sing a hymn (praise unto).

b5215. humnos, hoom´-nos; apparently from a simpler (obsolete) form of u¢de÷w hudeo (to celebrate; probably akin to 103; compare H5667); a “hymn” or religious ode (one of the Psalms): — hymn.

That sounds fine to me: certainly keeps them from dancing.


    
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October 1 2017, 6:59 PM 

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October 2 2017, 12:00 PM 

Approve at CM still doesn't work so I have reposted. The web page is now working for me.

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