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Re: YES, Case Closed!!!

November 30 2014, 4:45 PM 

It's been nine years. I think the Donnie/Crump team needs to cast their bait once again and reel a big one in! What say ye?

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Re: Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ

May 30 2017, 6:21 PM 

This thread has been locked forever. Tell us what you think. Times have changed.

"Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ"

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June 2 2017, 4:33 PM 

Praise God!

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Re: Faith

June 3 2017, 1:37 PM 

What's your point here, Rancor?

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The Stark Warlick Debate as TYPICAL of all instrumental SECTARIANS.

June 3 2017, 7:36 PM 

There two classes of clergy out there who sow all of the discord:

The Conservative Preachers
The Anti-Conservative preachers.

The folly happens when--whatever the level of education--preachers come away with a stack of sermon outlines and a creed.
Because they intend to SELL their own learning Paul calls that corrupting the Word or prostitution, they have TURF or grazing grounds to protect. God told those before the curse of the law of moses how to conduct synagogue or ekklesia as inclusively and exclusively a School of the Word.

The assembly defined in Scripture first EXCLUDES the wise from whom God hides and the WORLD for whom Jesus does not pray. That is carried out by the words READ or SPEAK that which is written for our learning. The role of Jesus was to seek and send evangelists out to IDENTIFY by he "good news" and the lost spirits would be marked by wanting to be BAPTIZED. That is mystery and the Wise, Sophists meaning speakers, singers or instrument players need not apply.

Going beyond READING or SPEAKING that which is written for our LEARNING was the Driving Purpose of the Campbells but soon the merchant class invaded as they always will when you do not have APT elders.
That which the Love or Grace centered hate in others is always AMPLIFIED when they decide to organize their own little serfdom or "plantation." They, in fact, want you to pay them to fix what they broke.

The EX-CHURCHERS have the disease of the Muddy Stream Media and ENGAGE IN that which they curse in anyone who may have upset their little ego. There is nothing tokenized by the institution which excuses each person from teaching THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT. The almost-singular DOGMA is defined from Genesis to Revelation as the Mark of the Beast: The beast is defined as A new style of music or Satyric (Pan, Cappella) Drama which they and any literate person knows intends to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

Stark In the Stark Warlick Debate, thought of worship as the emotion of the soul and that it might "produce singing, shouting, praising, leaping, dancing, hand clapping, or thanksgiving and such should not be suppressed by man made rules." [repeated by David Young]

Worship is something that happens IN THE SPIRIT or MIND. He-they cannot grasp that God never ordained a Day of Worship especially so that professionals can worship IN THE FLESH as body worship which carries a nasty image. Sabbath means REST

-Sabba^t-ismos , ho,
A.a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Hebr.4.9, cf. Plu.2.166a (codd., baptismous Bentley).

--skholas-tērion , to,
A. place for passing leisurein, Plu.Luc.42, Moschio ap.Ath.5.207e.

-skholē , hē, A.leisure, rest, ease, Pi.N.10.46, Hdt.3.134, etc.; opp. askholia, Arist.Pol.1334a15, etc.; skholēn agein to be at leisure, enjoy ease, keep quiet Hdt. l.c., E.Med.1238, Th.5.29; epi tini for a thing, Pl.Ap.36d; “peri ti”
II. that in which leisure is employed, ou kamnō skholē I am not weary of talk, Id.Ion 276; esp. learned discussion, disputation, lecture, Pl.Lg.820c (pl.),
2. a group to whom lectures were given, school, Arist.Pol.1313b3, Phld.Ind.Sto.10, D.H.Isoc.1, Dem.44, Plu.Per.35, Alex.7, etc.; s. ekhein to keep a school, Arr.Epict. 3.21.11; skholēs hēgeisthai to be master of it

These commands of men are the creed of their division of God's people. Like Paul's '"man of sin," they have taken their place in the temple of God and assume to speak as God. God put it into his sanctuary by command [FALSE]; and if he has not taken it out, it remains there, unless some one claiming superior authority to God shall as God put it out of the temple of God. That character Paul calls "the man of sin who opposseth and exalteth himself above all that is called God: The Doom of such is HELL. I need no authority for using it; for where there is no law, there is no transgression. [p.15]

Stark p. 16 If I do not play, is it any of my business if another does? Can I not hymn my praise, though another acts unlawfully If I stand there and am singing one here is playing a harp, does that interfere with my worship of Go? Not if I am worshiping as I should. What have they to do with my worship of god?

Stark p. 16 The whole thing comes from a devilish, domineering spirit which, instead of worshiping God, has taken God's seat in judgment to control the praise others might bring It is well enough to teach them: but "rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft and stubborness is as iniquity and idolatry." (1 Sam. 15:23)

Nothing but the grace of God can bring such a man to repentance. If taken as he is to the "city of gold," he would surely raise hell in heaven and make all "know and feel what it is to be there."

Stark: [p. 18] Shall Alexander Campbell... say to the sweet singer or the wonderful musician: "Keep still and let expressive silence muse his praise?" Shame on such dogmatism, when God has given us such varied talent. Who put the twelfth commandment into God's law, saying: "Thou shalt not have an instrument of music in the congregaton of the saints?" David [Lipscomb], the destructive critic, when like the "man of sin," he sits in the temple of God, says: "Thou shalt not." That is the cornerstone of his departure--the foundation of his schism. Their church is built upon it, and a few old fogies have made it a test of fellowship. God will shake their thounder out of them and put some lightning into them one of these days.

Lipscomb never said that: If they want to sow discord and steal your group so they can VIOLATE numerous demands to SPEAK which is the opposite of SING. Lipscomb just said that you cannot legislate and force me to see you ignoring that God is still the GOD OF BURNING for those who do not come into His presence with reverence and Godly fear.

Stark thought that the Prophets were part of the Law of Moses: he had never read the prophets which repudiate the Jews's Covenant with Death and hell which was a CARNAL system to which God had abandoned them BECAUSE of instrumental-trinitarian-perverted idolatry.

See what I mean? The fellow who craps on your floor blames you for the stink. Adam knew how to do that.

"Conservatives" can be just as brutal because they are all taught, convinced and teach that under the Law God's pattern was to "woship with instrumental music" and they will never repent.

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Re: The Stark Warlick Debate as TYPICAL of all instrumental SECTARIANS.

June 4 2017, 12:39 PM 

It is a fact that Moses wrote only after God had turned the Jews over to worship the starry host (Acts 7) and sentenced them to captivity and death where they began. The end of religious and civil freedom FROM professional religionists can be dated close enough to the BC 4000 date and the Sumerians. No one can dispute that a radical attack was launched against close to the ad2000 year mark. The attack of ISIS and others began against human life at the same time Churches of Christ were assaulted. The religious Jubilee was coordinated with the Pope's call to celebrate the LAST JUBILEE which gave the AGENTS the pattern for RETURNING all churches of Christ into an ecumenical HEAP. That assault continues but the "little flock" or the WAY that is called a SECT understands that ECUMENICAL is the Kingdom of the Devil.

They use the curse of the Sacrifice system as a ploy to get old people to sell their valuables so that "we can start building 60,000 congregations..

Both tithes and the Sabbath were Babylonian and were imposed on Israel after they fell into Instrumental-Trinitarian-Idolatry. The Jacob-cursed and then God-Abandoned Levites along with priests to operate the Sacrificial System gave only a small fraction of the 4 out of a seven year tithe of the PROFITS from the lands, flocks and orchards they had TAKEN from the owners. Melchizedek is often used as the PATTERN for taking the tithe. However, when Abraham returned the goods stolen from the king of Sodom, he gave HIS earned ten percent to Melchizedek. Jerusalem is also defined as SODOM where the abandoned clergy received a small food allowance while on rare rotating duty.

Jacob in Isaiah 49 cursed Levi and commanded that people not attend their "synagogues" nor enter into covenant with them. Rather, they should wait for SHILOH or REST who would come out of JUDAH.

Jesus was not of the Tribe of Levi and had not "pedigree" to be such a priest in the same sense that Melchizedek was not out of the tribe of Levi.

ALL "progressives" build on the pattern of the Priests and Levites: the Catholics called their small choir LEVITE SINGERS and there was no ccongregational singing until after the Reformation.

And verily they that are of the sons of Levi,
.....who receive the office of the priesthood,
.....have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law,
.....that is, of their BRETHREN,
.....though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Hebrews 7:5

But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham,
.....and blessed him that had the promises. Hebrews 7:6

And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, paid tithes in Abraham. Hebrews 7:9

For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. Hebrews 7:10

Only the tribe of Levi could receive tithes of THEIR BRETHREN as food-only when slaughter innocent animals which God DID NOT COMMAND.,
Those who claim the office of priest or Levite or take tithes USE enough of the curse of the Law of Moses to get themselves BURNED

Levi PAID tithes to Melchisedek. However, LEVI was not a model of Jesus

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)
.....what further need was there that another priest
.....should rise after the order of Melchisedec,
.....and not be called after the order of Aaron? Hebrews 7:11

No, Melchisedec was NOT Jesus of Nazareth: He is used in the same sense that Jesus was our HIGH PRIEST because He was NOT a Levite. Those who are Purpose-Driven are probably FOREORDAINED (Jude) to use the Law of Moses as their PATTERN.

For the priesthood being changed,
.....there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Hebrews 7:12

For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe,
.....of which no man gave attendance at the altar. Hebrews 7:13

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda;
.....of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. Hebrews 7:14
And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Hebrews 7:15
Who is made, not after the law of a CARNAL commandment,
.....but after the power of an endless life. Hebrews 7:16
Heb. 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb. 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling
.....of the commandment going before
.....or the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect,
.....but the bringing in of a better hope did; the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb. 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb. 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath;
.....but this with an oath by him that said unto him,
.....The Lord sware and will not repent,
.....Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
Heb. 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb. 7:23 And they truly were many priests,
.....because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb. 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb. 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them the uttermost that come unto God by HIM,
.....seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb. 7:26 For such an high priest became us,
.....who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners,
.....and made higher than the heavens;

Hebrews 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice,
.....first for his own sins, and then for the peoples:
.....or this he did once, when he offered up himself.

AND THEREFORE there can be no TITHES AND OFFERINGS which are the MARKS of denying that Jesus Christ is our High priests and Comforter Who exists in the STATE of HOLY SPIRIT.

Heb. 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity;
.....but the word of the oath, which was since the law,
.....maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Heb. 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum:
.....We have such an high priest,
.....who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb. 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle,
.....which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Jesus said that the Kingdom does not come with observation: that is used in the texts to mean RELIGIOUS OBSERVATIONS. And Paul calls these "operations" Lying Wonders

God does not allow Himself to be CALLED into any house build by human hands even of the Worship Team made you that promise.
The true Tabernacle is in heaven or in the SPIRITUAL REALM. That is the only PLACE where one can Worship IN THE SPIRIT as it gives attention to THE TRUTH or THE WORD

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Edward Fudge fulfills LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE

June 4 2017, 5:18 PM 

Edward Fudge has been a major attack agent probably because his mother fired him. He is the son of Bennie Lee Fudge. I knew him as a kid and attended his new school for a spell. Edward cannot be unaware of what he teaches but He gets to BUY and SELL at the now-apostate universities and workshops. You get hacked if you even quote Scripture refuting his twisted views.

Edward Fudge: Among Churches of Christ, discussions about singing with instruments often generate more heat than light. The movement had split in 1906 and the controversy over music was a major factor.

That's a lie: what became Churches of Christ were never "joined" to the Disciples-Christians at any time in recorded history. Both Stone and Campbell wrote why it could not happen. The Christian Church did not begin to SECT out of the Disciples until 1927 for some of the reason churches of Christ were never "unioned." Their attacks against those who refused to join or have their property stolen proves that they did not join. The division happened within the Disciples-Christians because there was no Disciple preacher who did not oppose the first organ. This is the psychological violence used by all of the ditto heads to mark those who never violated the direct command for the synagogue-ekklesia in the wilderness.

Edward Fudge: The past two or three decades have seen a SPIRITUAL awakening among mainline Churches of Christ, resulting from a Scripture-based emphasis on Jesus and a fresh appreciation of the grace of God.

Apollon is the SPIRIT and LEADER of his musical worship team. His GRACES were blue-eyed blond musical prostitutes: John calls them LOCUSTS in Revelation. John callls them SORCERERS in Revelation 18 who HAD ONCE deceived the whole world. Here ministers were "lusted after fruits" who were literally or spiritually emasculated. The fruits are the DOGS and they, liars and the musical SORCERERS will finally be BE CAST ALIVE INTO HELL Mr. Fudge is allowed to BUY AND SELL denying that there is a hell. He says that burning is for an age or long enough to exterminate them. However, musical instruments as the mark of those "making the lambs dumb before the slaughter" burn FOREVER AND FOREVER. I may not know who will BURN but all of the instrumental passages such as His 2 Chronicles 29 references is always connected to BURNING or the HOLOCAUST.

Here is a picture of the prophesied and fulfilled musical mocking of Jesus which Edward Fudge says is from a SPIRITUAL reading of Scripture. That despises Scripture and is defined as blasphemy

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The Greeks on Earthen Vessels and historic artists understood that which a Theologian will never grasp.

Exactly 100 years later the NACC launched another attack to as they say TRANSISTION your happy church into the Instrumental Sectarians. They USE a few men who were CLOSET instrumentalists willing to lie to God and about God to force people to take the MARK. The BEAST would be known to Simple Sally in Paul's die as a class of people who used "a new style of music or Satyric (Panic, Cappella) drama to Rob Your Temple.

Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites: In Isaiah 29 and Ezekiel 33--by the Spirit OF Christ--hypocrites are popular preachers for hire, singers or instrument players

Is. 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.

They are cunning craftsmen driving people around like winds and waves: Those whom God has Strongly Delude are DOOMED to staggar around AS dissolutum, genus orationis
moveo “et fila sonantia movit,” struck, Ov. M. 10, 89: “citharam [guitar] cum voce,” id. ib. 5, 112: “tympana,” id. H. 4, 48; to disturb: “novis Helicona cantibus,” this is always Purpose Driven to Disturb or Sow Discord.

cantus , ūs, m. id., I.the production of melodious sound, a musical utterance or expression, either with voice or instrument; hence, song, singing, playing, music 2. With instruments, a playing, music B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum.
3. Like the Greek SKIA, an uninvited guest, whom an invited one brings with him (cf. parasitus), ALL priests, Levites or anyone who devotes themselves to enhance a congregation (meaning the ANATHEMA) were called PARASITES.

Umbra defines the Jewish System which was-is "A covenant with death and hell."

Is. 29:10 For the LORD hath POURED out upon you the SPIRIT of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

Is. 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

The book IS SEALED to them and they just INVENT a new paradigm or PATTERN and say that "a" spirit gave them grace to sow discord, steal your property and GRACE will let them get by with it

Those whom Paul warned as LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE as the cunning craftsmen or Sophists as speakers for hire, singersor instrument players. They induce KOMA and not awareness:

kōma , atos, to, (perh. cogn. with keimai, koimaō)
A.deep sleep, “autō . . malakon peri kōma kalupsa”
Pi.P.1.12. metaph., of the effect of music hupnou k

Pi.P.1.12. Golden lyre, rightful joint possession of Apollo and the violet-haired Muses, to which the dance-step listens, the beginning of splendid festivity; and singers obey your notes, whenever, with your quivering strings, you prepare to strike up chorus-leading preludes.
.....[5] You quench even the warlike thunderbolt of everlasting fire.
.....And the eagle sleeps on the scepter of Zeus,
.......... relaxing his swift wings on either side, the king of birds;
.....and you pour down a dark mist over his curved head, a sweet seal on his eyelids.
.....Slumbering, he ripples his liquid back, [10] under the spell of your pulsing notes.
.....Even powerful Ares, setting aside the rough spear-point, warms his heart in repose;
.....your shafts charm the minds even of the gods, virtue of the skill of Leto's son and the deep-bosomed Muses.
But those whom Zeus [father of KAIROS] does not love are STUNNED with terror
.....when they hear the cry of the Pierian Muses,
.....on earth or on the irresistible sea;
[15] among them is he who lies in dread Tartarus, that enemy of the gods, Typhon with his hundred heads.

UP TO 2/3 of those Edward Fudge begs to be invaded and DISCORDED are indeed STUNNED in a good sense and FLEE for their spiritual lives

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Re: Faith

June 4 2017, 7:47 PM 

So one man praises God, while another man questions it. Says a lot, doesn't it?

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Re: Faith

June 4 2017, 8:04 PM 

So, "Faith" was the title of the post. And the message was: "Praise God."

And the title of your thread: "Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ."

I was asking for clarification:

Was one praising God for having left "the Church of Christ"?

Did someone leave "the Church of Christ" because of "faith"?

Do you praise God when you leave "the Church of Christ"?

Or ... what?

OK, mind reader, tell us.

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Re: Faith

June 4 2017, 9:44 PM 

Donnie ASSUMES that in a thread about leaving the CofC, when one gives praise to God, he's doing so because he left the CofC. Talk about attempted mind-reading with too much assumption. We all know what ASSUME does to those who practice it.

Just be glad that God receives praise.

So, one man praises God, while another man questions it. That really does say a lot.

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Re: Faith

June 4 2017, 11:26 PM 

Donnie does not ASSUME. Bill ASSUMES and CONCLUDES based on his assumption.

Again, I was asking for further clarification.

Racnor said:
This thread has been locked forever. Tell us what you think. Times have changed.
"Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ"

Racnor followed it with:
"Faith" [message title]
"Praise God!" [message]

Hello, Bill, what do you praise God for?

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"Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ"

June 5 2017, 4:48 AM 

Perhaps, Donnie means or assumes "Rancor" and not "Rocnar".

Any who, just for Donnie: "Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ"?


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Re: &quot;Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ&quot;

June 5 2017, 6:58 PM 

Rancor said to Donnie, "Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ."

That's a good one. Can a person "worship" if his mind is focused more on criticizing, finding fault with others, and pointing fingers? More specifically, can a member of the church of Christ (or any church for that matter) "worship" if he attends a congregation he doesn't support, takes notes about everything he disagrees with there, then plasters that all over his CM web page?

That person has essentially "left" his congregation.

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Re: &quot;Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ&quot;

June 5 2017, 9:43 PM 

God promised ANOTHER DAY of REST since Joshua failed and let Israel get turned over to worship the starry host.

This other of REST is Sabbath in Hebrew and PAUO in Greek. We are showing that one does not attend Synagogue or Ekklesia which is the ANTITHESIS of the Jewish Temple or pagan worship centers. "Rest" as Sabatismos includes to be refreshed by attending the school of a Rabbi or the school of a Guitar teacher or just "kool it."

Since Madison engages in THRESKIA or IMpure religion it would be possible to attend and then have 167 hours to "speak to YOURSELF and meditate in the heart." In my last two Religion Centers I did my best work reading the Bible and taking notes. I might attend with a good organist playing the traditional hymns.

HERE IS WHAT YOU CANNOT DO WHEN Jesus invites us to "Come outside, REST and Learn of Me." Now, you probably are not surprised that Jesus made that statement and then say JESUS WAS SILENT so we can make up our own pattern. I suspect that you can find a dissertation or two on "Why our Culture no longer means Learn OF ME."

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Re: Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ

June 9 2017, 4:01 PM 


"Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ."

That's a good one to ask the author of this thread. happy.gif

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Re: Tell Us Why You Left the Church of Christ

June 9 2017, 8:55 PM 

There can only be two reasons to leave:

1. I left because the elders needed praise singing with praise singers to light up their lives.

2. I left because the APT elders would not let the praise singing soul snatchers invade.

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Re: Faith

June 5 2017, 10:17 AM 

Here's what we'll do. We'll let Rancor say definitely one way or another whether he's left the CofC. If he has, then will Donnie point an itching finger, intone a supposedly austere condemnation, pat himself on the back, and convince himself over and over that he's "done the Lord's work"?

Of course, there is that thing about he who is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone.

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IMPURE religion A

June 5 2017, 1:07 PM 

I noted that worship PERSONAL and the Abominators want Huge Hire to offer and Perform a variety of Worship Opportunities. Worship is IN THE SPIRIT as the opposite of IN THE FLESH.

The Apostles "worshipped" Jesus: done that MOVE ON:

GO and make Disciples (students are not worship imitators) of those who are OF FAITH and OF TRUTH by baptising them.
Peter says that this is how we request A holy spirit or A good conscience without which our mind can neither HEAR nor READ the INSTRUCTION MATERIAL.
Teach and observe what JESUS commanded to be taught and observed.
Jesus defines Holy Scripture as the Prophets and other prophecies about him.
Jesus made those prophecies more certain and it rejects the Spirit in Jesus if you private interpret meaning further expounding.
Peter and others left their part for OUR MEMORIES.
Anyone who does not teach that resource despises Jesus' finished work and is a False Teacher.


James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled [unsullied ceremonial] before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

By definition the Professionally Performed ceremonialis IS IMPURE RELIGION and not worship as long as anyone goes beyond Reverence and Godly Fear.

IMPURE RELIGION was performed by Orpheus one of the religions in Rome which Paul SILENCED in Romans 14 because it was not related to the one-piece pattern of edification which in the ekklesia is limited to EDUCATION.

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Re: IMPURE religion A

July 7 2017, 12:07 PM 

Some of the larger Churches of Christ are giving "free" access to RightNow Media, which contains 17,000 teaching videos. Madison emphasizes this week the works of Max Lucado. Wikipedia says that he is not longer affiliated with Churches of Christ. Bellevue Church of Christ is also giving this site for "free." They never tell what the local church is paying for this site to be "free" to its own members.

This site is intended particularly for the "pastors" of the local congregation. One innocent lady says that is for the elders. No, my friend, by "pastor" they are referring to the "minister" of the local congregation, not its elders. Pastor in the Protestant world normally refers to the preacher/minister, while the local authorities are the elders or overseers. The pastor is in charge of preaching and public ministry. Elders are a a local authority in the church.

The hierarchy of some Protestant churches is to have a bishop over the pastors of several churches. One man (or woman) oversees a single pastor in a local congregation.

RightNow Media features such men as Anthony Stanley, Max Lucado, Rick Warren, and Francis Chen. These are now your "bishops" that are controlling your "pastors."

Wake up, Church of Christ! You are being stolen in a generation!

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Re: IMPURE religion A

July 7 2017, 3:38 PM 

Is that the great flood?

Rev. 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev. 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

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Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site;

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)

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