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I just do not understand

May 3 2005 at 7:09 PM
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I do not understand why the "concerned members" cannot just except the fact that their traditional way of worship is not the only way. The traditional way of worship that they were taught and raised up with is one way to worship but is not the only way. God has not given us a specific way to worship him. As long as our heart is right and we are worshipping in spirit and in truth it does not matter the way you worship Him.
I just do not understand this website. It is made to put down other churches, their brothers and sisters, for their preference of worship? I just do not get that. I do not know how you can say you know the correct way to conduct a worship service. Also, how can you make it justified in your mind that it's o.k.to spend all your time writing trying put down other churches? I mean do you really think that is right? Are you glorifying God's name by this website?

 
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Easy!

May 3 2005, 8:13 PM 

If people worshipped the way they wanted THINKING in error that worship is multiple-choice and ignoring the fact that worship IN SPIRIT is worship in THE PLACE of MY OWN PERSONAL spirit or mind and ONLY when I give heed to TRUTH which is the Word of God, then Concerned Members would not exist.

If however, you think that people have a right to, and do and boast about INFILTRATING and DIVERTING churches of ALL persuasions into A THEATER FOR HOLY ENTERTAINMENT, and driving you and your grandmother out of the church she helped found and PURCHASE, just so musical and theatrical performer can PERFORM your worship FOR you or lead you into the presence of God WITH MUSIC, then are you one of the BANDITS we intend to UNMASK?

Do you believe that it is ok for a college to train "Prophets, Chanellers and Facilitators" to go out and take over churches with the feminists "small acts of treason" just so they can perform a worship which is universally pagan and perverted? That, of course, gives them JOBS into which they can PLACE the people they train for which there is no certificate of need.

Ken

 
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Rubel does it!

May 4 2005, 12:03 AM 

<writer writes> "...it's okay to spend all of your time writing trying (to) put down other churches? I mean do you really think that it is right?

Rubel does it!

Check out Rubel's sermon "Nothing Held Back!

John and Rubel: "I don’t want to sound too judgmental! But do you remember the term used during recent TV coverage of the death of John Paul II and the election of Pope Benedict XVI? As the reporters and commentators talked about options for the Roman Catholic Church’s leadership, they wondered if a “traditionalist” or “progressive” would emerge. And their term of reference for Roman Catholics in the United States was “cafeteria Catholics.” By that term they meant to identify the pick-and-choose mentality of many in that church. “I’ll take a plateful of anti-abortion, please, but I don’t need any anti-birth control” or “I’ll take a modest helping of anti-war, but can’t you guys take the no-female-clergy – at least the no-married-clergy – off the menu?”

John, isn’t it absolutely shocking to you that anybody could claim to be a Christian and go at his or her faith with a pick-and-choose mentality?

<Jimmy> Rubel says "...absolutely shocking...that anyone could CLAIM TO BE A CHRISTIAN..."

If Rubel is not condemning and judging, what is he doing?

<More of Rubel> "...the notion that one church is just as good as another and that the good people of all churches will be saved must be judged a false doctrine. (Rubel's Book titled "Did Christ Establish One or Many Churches?")

<Jimmy> Why do you give Rubel a pass on his teachings?

In Christian Love,

Jimmy













 
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Rubel DID it!

May 4 2005, 10:41 AM 

It must have been a shock to THEM but a joy to me to see that TEENS flocked to and wept over a man [however wrong] who does not let MENU A plus MENU B plus MENU C to Z determine what HE believes. I'll bet that he doesn't even HAVE the "daily special" from which to PICK.

Teens WILL NOT flock to churches stolen and turned into theaters for holy entertainment by unholy enemies of ANY values proven by the PEACE and CONCORD of thosands of people still HELD in the teeth of the wolves. Teens can get ALL of that stuff in a little box called Ipod. They MAY come to see the show but they will be laughing AT the teeny-weeny theatrical performers and NOT with them. Just as at Mount Sinai they THOUGHT that they were talented and DESIRABLE but God said that the WATCHERS would see them as a laughingstock.

Rubel and John and all of the twisted sisters MAY have matured at a very old age and are LOOKING backward in a rearview mirrow. The TWISTED doctrine and the TWISTED lives and the TWISTERS are US. I think that they will all come to HATE themselves just as they have spent their lives hating legalist, patternists, sectarian, agents of Satan when ALL of the time they were projecting a SELF IMAGE onto the rest of the world (sure, many of them are EVIL but evil is not conservative)

On the key issues they have labeled as EVIL "brother killers" those who defend the two or three doctrinal truths which CAN be defended by any one Biblically literate.

I think our "masked" questioner might look in the mirrow and see that they have fulfulled end-time prophecy of the rise of the Babylon Whore who is Lucifer or ZOE with all of her "movements" LOOKING to worship the HILLS or MOUNTAINS gods thinking that this was a COMMAND instead of a REPUDIATION of the HILLSbillys.

The prophecy modelled by the JUBAL (Jubilee) family of pretend gods, articulated by Jude and detailed in The Book of Enoch, Book of Jubilees and many other versions, is that once they have used MUSIC to seduce and steal they HAVE FALLEN AND THEY WILL NEVER GET UP. God promises that we can CLAP over them in the end.

Ken: with some of his flesh still in the teeth of wolves.

 
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Re: Rubel DID it!

May 5 2005, 8:15 PM 

Blah, Blah, Zoe, Blah, Blah, Blah, Jubal, Blah, Blah, Blah Blah, Blah, Zoe...


NOT EVERYTHING CONNECTS TO THOSE. I like contemporary songs. I don't worship Satan. I don't use the worship design of some ancient pagan culture. Zoe is a Biblical word, and not a bad one.


I could not agree more that worship should be done only as God desires, but I think some have added some restrictions that aren't there. That is no more right than what is being done by the other side.

 
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George
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What?

May 5 2005, 9:35 PM 

B writes "...but I think some have added some restrictions that aren't there."

<George> You think? Do you not know? Why just throw out such a statement as "I think?"

Could you please be more specific? Surely no one would wish to bind or loose except in accordance to the Word of God.

In Christ,

George

 
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Now we know what means B.B.B.B!

May 5 2005, 11:22 PM 

Let's see if I have the words right: did you mean:
    Blah, Blah, Zoe, Blah, Blah, Blah, Jubal, Blah, Blah, Blah Blah, Blah, Zoe...
I want you to run out and get that copyrighted: pronto!

If Keith sees this he will claim it, repeat it 20 times and sing is in WORSHIP of some "god" next week. MY God is worshiped in the place of MY SPIRIT

Maybe, Donnie can put this to a Rock Beat with some clap, clap, clapy uh de claps. I feel that your BLAH count needs some adjusting before it will jubilate and syncopate.

Ken

 
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Tao Te Ching say:

May 6 2005, 12:49 PM 

Three

Not exalting the gifted prevents quarreling.
Not collecting treasures prevents stealing.
Not seeing desirable things prevents confusion of the heart.

The wise therefore
rule by emptying hearts and stuffing bellies,
by weakening ambitions and strengthening bones.

If men lack knowledge and desire,
then clever people will not try to interfere.
If nothing is done, then all will be well.

 
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