T.U.L.P. or Two Lipped Heresy?October 3 2006 at 6:13 PM
|Ken Sublett (no login)|
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The concept of predestination has always been a CULT MIND CONTROL: it teaches that which is contrary to sanity and the Bible. Those who get caught up can never believe it based on their human nature and civilized reasoning. That leaves them at the mercy of the CULT LEADERS to insist that they must "accept it by faith" until it begins to make sense. Because no one can be held to the heresy, it is necessary to exercise tight COMMUNITY control over people. If you want ASSURANCE you must conform to the system.
Walt cannot read beyond proof texts. Before looking at our being dead in OUR trespasses of sin which DOES NOT mean impossible to HEAR the gospel, I will look at the word CHOSEN.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen US IN HIM before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
First, No one in the Bible and certainly not Paul ever NAMES an individual who was chosen before the foundation of the world. To the literate disciple Paul is dispelling the notion that the Jews were UNIQUELY PREDESTINATED. As the command to Abraham was to be a blessing to ALL NATIONS we know that God invited Gentile. The Gentiles were never under the Law of Moses but they were never without God: None of the Patriarchs were Jews.
The Great Commission was to the GENTILES also. Therefore, the US or WE (collectively) were ALWAYS invited by God to live righteously and practice social justice and therefore be acceptable. God elected Abraham to be his teacher of the nations because Abraham was a righteous man.
G1586 eklegomai ek-leg'-om-ahee Middle voice from G1537 and G3004 (in its primary sense); to select: make choice, choose (out), chosen.
Out + Legos. Not PRE-select in any sense but INVITED: One who is invited even by name can decline.
KaleÃ´ 2. call to one's house or to a repast, invite (not in Il.), Od.10.231, 17.382, al., 1 Ep.Cor.10.27
1 Cor 10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
Kaleo (g2564) kal-eh'-o; akin to the base of 2753; to "call" (prop. aloud, but used in a variety of applications, dir. or otherwise): - bid, call (forth), (whose, whose sur-) name (was [called]).
G2753 means to "give a command." God INVITES and does not COMMAND.
God INVITES us by NAME when we hear the gospel: we are INVITED but we don't HAVE to go to the wedding feast.
God ELECTS those who are ADDED to the ELECT LADY at baptism who accepted the CALL or invitation:
According as he hath INVITED us in him before the foundation of the world,
But! INVITED for WHAT? that we should be HOLY and without blame before him in love: Ephesians 1:4
Paul ALWAYS identifies God's predestinated purpose as to collect both Jew and Gentile in one body or church.
The Shepherd of Hermas says that the ELECT are those who "roll easily into the WATER." Vipers hate water, we are told. You need to be able to hold long THOUGHT PATTERNS in your mind and DEFINE Words. All are CALLED out but only those who "obey the gospel" are ELECTED which means to be added to the Church of Christ to become part of the EKklesia.
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for [A] many [polus: the largest number] be CALLED, but [B] few chosen. Mt.20:16
Even if you were CALLED from the foundation of the world, that does not mean SELECTED above others.
[A] Called or Invited: G2822 klÃ¯tos klay-tos' From the same as G2821; INVITED, that is, appointed, or (specifically) a saint:called
The PRE destinated event was the Gospel would be preached to ALL: only those who respond are effectively CHOSEN or FAVORITES:
[B] The Elect G1588 eklektos ek-lek-tos' From G1586 ; select; by implication favorite: chosen, elect.
Now by PRETENDING to be WISE we have doubts that WALT has been called. I am sure that he was INVITED but REJECTED the INVITATION to the wedding supper of the lamb. Why? Because the wise guys are rarely chosen? Furthermore, one does not have OIL or A holy spirit and able to ENTER unless they have been baptized.
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 1Co.1:26
Is God a respecter of persons? God forbid. The fact is that not many WISE guys feel any NEED to obey the gospel and therefore are not EFFECTIVELY CALLED out of the world and INTO the church.
Now Simple Simon grasps that the CALL comes AFTER people are already WISE MEN in the flesh. That disputes Walt and all people who have invented a God infinitely more evil than Adolph Hitlers.
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 1Ti.6:12
So, there you have it again: you were not called meaning PREDESTINATED from eternity past. They were not SINGLED OUT: they were called to ETERNAL LIFE. The fact is that they have to FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT in order to LAY HOLD on eternal life.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Walt is a habitual teacher of HERESY and the MODULATOR is guilty of the same "beyond redemption sin" by promoting Calvinism which is the ultimate heresy. No one can defend it without PERVERTING the Word of God.
Next, we will look at the silliness that Paul's use of the word DEAD means that people are unable to even hear the Word of God. Jesus used Parables and Paul's word could also be PERVERTED by people who had no love for the truth. We will show that DEAD is a metaphor and that people are DEAD to sin ONLY after they have been baptized.
It is a fact that Calvin taught that you needed the SPIRIT but he said that the Spirit was delivered through the Word.
Part TWO for the Loose Lip: DEAD does not mean UNCONSIOUS!
|October 5 2006, 3:10 PM |
Neo-Calvinists such as Walt is afflicted by THEOLOGY and do not understand John Calvin. Calvin said what Jesus said: that people are dead in THEIR OWN SINS and cannot find a way to approach God. God admitted that and sent His OWN ARM or RIGHT HAND to be the INCERCESSOR or MEDIATOR. Preaching the GOSPEL which means "come to ME all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I WILL GIVE YOU REST." Calvin never taught that people were DEAD as a corpse and never taught that the SPIRIT must initiate the work of Jesus Christ: He agreed with Jesus who said "My WORDS are SPIRIT and LIFE." Therefore, Calvin taught that the Spirit resides along with the WORDS and we must hear the Words in order to hear the gospel.
Eph 2:1 AND you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
If we read "beyond the sacred page" to the NEXT "sacred page" it will prove that they were dead because of THEIR OWN trespasses and sins. That is what Paul taught in Romans 6: for those who OBEYED that form of doctrine BEING THEN FREE FROM SINS they had LIFE.
Dead is a metaphor: those who bad mouth baptism are not supposed to understand it. Jesus spoke in parables to hide truth from those who hate truth. The old man who lived IN SIN because they PRACTICED sin were not BORN SINNERS. They still had the power to obey that form of doctrine: then being FREE from sin they were DEAD to sin. Dead does not mean unconsious.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the BODY of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Now, Walt, Paul said that we are still DEAD which means that we are INSENSITIVE to sin but NOT immune from sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
The same Paul shows how out DEAD body can be buried and then raised to a NEW KIND OF LIFE by baptism. If you HAVE NOT been baptized then you are still DEAD in your sins and THAT is why you cannot tell the truth. OR, if you are an APISTOS who repudiates the statement: "He that believeth AND is baptized SHALL BE saved." That word means that you are NOT a SEED of God but the SEED of the Devil and that means that the largest group of "christianism" is wholly devoted to DESTROYING baptism and telling God in Christ that: "YOU are a liar." You DO NOT have the SEAL of being OF THE TRUTH. That DEAD body can be CUT OFF to allow roome to be CLOTHED with Christ and be a ChristIAN or disciple by letting HIM destroy the "dead body of sin" and giving us A holy spirit:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Rom 6:4
For if we have been planted together
in the likeness of his death,
we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Rom 6:5
OBEDIENCE: but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Rom 6:17
PRODUCES: Being then made free from sin,ye became the servants of righteousness. Rom 6:18
according to the course of this world, Eph 2:3 Among whom also we ALL had our conversation in times past
according to the prince of the power of the air,
the SPIRIT that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
in the lusts of OUR flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
G3709 orge or-gay' From G3713 ; properly desire (as a reaching forth or excitement of the mind), that is, (by analogy) violent passion (ire, or [justifiable] abhorrence); by implication punishment: anger, indignation, vengeance, wrath.
WE were the PRODUCTS of our OWN religious rituals which were ORGE or devoted to the FLESH. The slaughter to the beat of music was the WRATH of God poured out when they REJECTE the Book of The Covenant. ALL religious Gentiles performed THRESKIA worship invented by Orpheus and the Lesbian women who added "lies, sex and Rock and Roll" to the commanded RECITING of hymns such as those by Homer. When you go from SPEAK or SAY to poetic or musical all known history notes that this is both a MARK and a CAUSE of effeminate and homosexual acts--right there in the Holy Place in Jerusalem. Because they did BODY WORSHIP they BECAME deat to mental or spiritual or devotion to the Word of God worship. Walt cannot find a single individual BORN just to be sent to hell.
Ep.5:6 Let no man deceive you with VAIN words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
WRATH is produced by USING VAIN WORDS which is STRONG DELUSIONS which is the MADNESS of Corinth when they invented their OWN songs and sermons where instruments are implicated in connection with tongues. Vain is EMPTY
kenophonia (g2757) ken-of-o-nee'-ah; from a presumed comp. of 2756 and 5456; empty sounding, i.e. fruitless discussion: - vain.
Kenos (pneô wind: empty sounding) ps. E.Rh.565 ; eudoxia psophos esti mainomenôn anthrôpôn Diog. ap.Arr.Epict.1.24.6; psophoi mere sounds, of high-sounding words or names 1. any inarticulate sound, a sound, noise, Hom., Eur., etc.; of musical instruments, ps. lôtou, kitharas Eur. 2. a mere sound, empty sound, noise, Soph., Eur.; psophou pleôs, of Aeschylus, Ar.4. of sounds from inanimate objects, ph. suringôn
Jesus Christ spoke the SPIRIT or TRUTH face to face or mouth to mouth to the Apostles. As the Spirit OF Christ He guaranteed that they would be guided into all truth. Peter affirms that his "written memory" would be to guard against the WIND BLOWERS and to MARK them if they did NOT speak that which was written or private-interpreted or FURTHER EXPOUNDED that already EXPOUNDED by God in the flesh.
Mainomai I. to rage, be furious, Hom.; ho maneis the madman, Soph.: to be mad with wine, Od.:--of Bacchic frenzy, Il., Soph.; hupo tou theou m. to be driven mad by the god,
The uncovered women prophesiers in Corinth compared to clanging brass and Lifeless Instruments (carnal weapons)
Mainas 1 [mainomai] I. raving, frantic, Eur. 2. as Subst. a mad woman, Il.: esp. a Bacchante, Bacchanal, Maenad, Soph.; of the Furies, Aesch.; of Cassandra, Eur.
Phone (g5456) fo-nay'; prob. akin to 5316 through the idea of disclosure; a tone (articulate, bestial or artificial)
Herodotus, but no earlier writer, mentions priestesses, whom he describes as the givers of the oracles, doubtless under some kind of inspiration from the god.
A further peculiarity of Dodona was the "bronze," a large gong set vibrating at every breeze by a scourge held in the hand of a figure standing over it;
the persistent ringing passed into a Greek proverbial phrase-- Khalkos Dodones ("Brass of Dodona")--
for a continuous talker who has NOTHING to say.
That Ole Paul was LITERATE! He also grasped the EVE parable.
Ep.5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Col.3:6 For which things sake
the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
1Th.5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
The SEED of God can REMAIN or it can be LOST: However, the SEED of Satan or the SERPENT are treated as a separate MAJORITY race of people whom John would not even baptize knowing they would not repent. When they do ORGE by singing, clapping, waving hands using or not using instruments they are MOSTLY hostile to BAPTISM: that is what they are SUPPOSED to do.
1Jn.3:10 In this
the children of God are manifest,
and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his brother.
Children of WRATH are produced by the word ORGE which means ORGY which can be identified by lifting UNHOLY hands almost always by bad women and in the MUSICAL RITUALS common to all of the always-perverted goddesses and always perverted "performance speakers, singers and musicians" whom Jesus identified as SECTARIAN HYPOCRITES meaning "performers of the arts of the MUSES" who are the perverted "musicians" in Revelation 18 whom John identified as SORCERERS.
When once-faithful churches are INVADED by theologians, philosophers, actors and musicians it is not the CAUSE of problems but the MARK of those who deny the WORD which they CORRUPT which means "sell at retail" or "adulterate." Romans 1 is a clear definition of what happens when you REFUSE to be word or synagogue or ekklesia-directed and turn to theatrical and musical PERFORMERS to fill the empty pews and money changing tables. Wrath which YOU didn't pick but which God SENT you means that you are diverted from the WORD by jesters, buffoons, singers etal who were identified by literate linguists back then as PARASITES.
MUSIC is the LUST of the world as PROOF that you are DEAD and in the message of the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai, the Jubal family, The Book of Enoch and dozens of similar documents. That ALSO means that you have TURNED from the WORD and in the message of Hebrews 6 you ARE being MARKED as beyond redemption. That is why you do, in the message of Enoch, Eat, Drink and MAKE MARY because you KNOW that you have fallen from the Living and Written Word and you will NEVER GET BACK UP. The LOCUSTS of the Legends John used to MARK the MUSES have "lulled you to sleep and given you the STING OF DEATH" from their scorpion stingers in their tails. In the image John Lays down, you have REPELLED the faithful and are HOLDING CAPTIVE those already STUNG and reserved for punishment ALREADY BEGUN as God burns you up to the beat of music.
Does that sound wacko? Then YOU find a jot or tittle of EXCEPTION in all known literature to which your PREACHERCATORS and MUSICATORS have blinded you while they rub all of your pleasure centers.
VAIN preaching is that of the Pharisees who MADE UP their own songs and sermons and cheated the widows performing EMPTY RITUALS. The Scribe were BOOK writers, song writers and sermon writers and "doctors of the Law." The HYPOCRITE sectarians were speakers, singers and musicians although we know of NO evidence that the SANG in the synagogues .
If your sermonizer is PREACHING out of his head then NO WONDER that the EMPTY chatter has left you naked and exposed. That is why Paul commanded you to worship in YOUR SPIRIT because outside there be DOGS who were the Cynic speakers and singers and perverts.