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Rick Atchley: Prophet of Unity?

November 13 2006 at 10:17 PM
Ken Sublett  (no login)
from IP address 66.82.9.87

Rick Atchley defines his PATTERNISM for uniity: don't let OTHERS impose their CONVICTIONS. That really works IF you meet each week to REST, READ and REHEARSE the Word of God. That defines the REST which "outlawed sending out ministers" and meant what Jesus died to give US by firing the "doctors of the Law" who by definition take away the key to knowledge. Numbers 10:7 outlawed the ALARM which was "playing horns and making a loud, rejoicing noise to the Lord." This was the UNIVERSAL war chant or the command to TRAVEL. REST in Greek demands "stop the speaking, stop the singing, stop the music" which PARSES to PANIC to "wear out the saints of God." Rick has his VISIONS and VOICES to define most pagan religions of the time of Jesus.

You CAN all SPEAK THE SAME THINGS if minimal IQ lets you grasp that Paul commanded speaking with ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH and using the "pre apostasy" THAT which is written or Scripture. That OUTLAWS Rick because HE will not do that and would not TOLERATE anyone else doing CHURCH of the Bible. There is NO music concept in the assemblies called by God from "the church in the wilderness" until Jesus returns: if you USE music and musicians you are defined by the Bible and all literature as performing SORCERY because you MUST use mind control or people would NOT put money into the UNSCRIPTURAL collection plates unless RICKY is DESTITUTE.

Rick Atchley is the SOWER OF DISCORD and DISUNITY of "Biblical proportion." Furthermore, he trains others how do DO church which is about 100% antithetical to what Jesus died to found: but Jesus didn't get paid enough so they said, "get over it or get out."

http://www.churchcentral.com/nw/s/id/24456/template/Article.html

When preachers tell tall tales in order to JUSTIFY THEMSELVES Gallup says that they are about 80% just FABRICATED.
    Rick Atchley. 7. Be of the same mind.

    This is the mind of Christ. Atchley cited Romans 15 on congregational unity, and Philippians 2 about considering others better than oneself.

Jesus said that He put HIS mind or spirit into His WORDS so that, according to Peter, we can MARK the false teacher. Furthermore, Romans 14-15 are the chapters used to justify ANYTHING. In Rick's new revelation that apparently includes alcohol which someone misled him about. When a church goes MEGA it is normaly a PICTURE of one dominant or charismatic individual. Rick proves the thesis of STRONG DELUSIONS.

Paul used the MEAT or other dietary terms as IDENTIFIERS of the various sects PRIOR to becoming believers. The EATING and DRINKING and PLAY was the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai which God saw as their PRAYER to return to paganism. The MONARCHY which Rick and all of the PhDuhs use to authorize a priestly class, taking up connections, church as MASS and MUSIC was the CURSE added to Israel when they FIRED God and hird them a KING SET OVER THEM where God understood it to mean "so we can worship like the nations" or Pagans. Ricks TAKE of women deaconesses and music PROVES that the Bible is not the standard: you CANNOT get a mega church until God has PUT OUT THE CANDLES MARKED when you added charismtaic speakers, singers and musicians: John calls them SORCERERS and Jesus pointed to the MOUTH RELIGIONISTS to define the HYPOCRITE.

Paul did not command CONFORMITY but SILENCED private diversities NOT sinful within themselves because NOTHING but 'that which is written' is the authorized and CHRISTIAN resource for holding "school of the Bible." He went directly into chapter 15 which had NO praise service, NO preaching and NO passing of the plate: they had a POOR BOX for the POOR. Did you GET THAT? Help for the POOR? You CANNOT build a mega church without fleeching the widows.

If one eats dung because Circe (church) the holy whore hand kneeds it for them, they might do that in private. However, if they insist that they bring dung balls for everyone else to eat or "get over it or get out" then the MEAT parable fools Rick as it was intended to do.

The DIETARY practices were identifiers for the major groups in Rome where MUSIC was the "arousal stroking" used by all groups so that some had been CONTAINED by Rome long before the time of Paul. Therefore, in Romans 14 Paul OUTLAWED the private diversities from being disputed or DIALOGED in what he always identified as a "synagogue." The SYNAGOGUE "had no praise service" and assuredly no THEATRICAL PREACHING: the did what Paul commanded Timoty to READ the word, exhort the keeping of THAT portion and to explain any doctrinal or universal patterns.

Phythagoras had brought the MUSIC as MAGIC from Egypt and Babylon. This was used to induce what Paul knew of as MADNESS as a desired SELF-PLEASURING by which you build mega churches. The Phythagoreans and Orphics were the only VEGETARIANS (bean eaters) in Rome and the Dionysiacs were the meat eaters and wine drinkers.

PAUL DEFINED BOTH THE ASSEMBLY AND WORSHIP. With the addition of the Lord's Supper it was identical to the synagogue which "never had a praise service." Please note that the synagogue was for EDUCATION which is the meaning of EDIFICATION. Getting goosed up with music and rituals is a direct violation of the REST Jesus died to give so SO THAT whe can "come learn of Me."

Paul defined the synagogue or assembly in Rome. If the assembly is a synagogue or school of the Bible then he rules out the divisive issues which in Rome involved music among all of the sects. The diversity in Romans 15 were the dionysiacs who were wine-drinkers and meat eaters. They ALSO saw worship as PLEASURING one another and depended on singing and instruments. The Orphics were the only possible vegetarians or "seed eaters" in Rome but the too depended a lot on musical rituals.

Paul uses words like ASSEMBLY and GATHERING to define THOSE who gathered themselves together. This is always a form of the Greek word SYNAGOGUE. We know for a fact that "playing instruments and making a joyful noise before the Lord" was OUTLAWED as the Alarm or Triumph over. This was the "church in the wilderness." The faithful Jews NEVER forgot that LAW as they gathered each Sabbath not to worship but to synagogue or be a school of the Bible. This did not change for the Jews until 1815 in a liberal German synagogue. Even so everyone knew that it was unlawful to play instruments on the Sabbath so the hired a Gentile organist and DIVIDED the synagogue.

Paul' s UNIQUE worship word which escapes the attention of people involved with music is to GIVE HEED to the word of God as THE primary meaning of worship. Paul instructed Timothy to "give attendance to the public reading of the Word."

Therefore, Paul begins with what is the CHRISTIAN SYNAGOGUE which does not allow diversities from the preaching and singing "that which is written."

Rom 15:1 WE then that are strong ought to BEAR the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

Heard today that ANGER can kill you if you have a weak heart. MUSIC and EXCITING religionism creates the same DRUG OVERLOAD and even Simple Simon at the Towers of Babbling understood that you could MANIPULATE people with music. They also understood that music which was soothing to some was DESTRUCTIVE to those with the infirmities of, say, a lack of seretonins. Music which AROUSES everyone to make Rick seem them as ENRAPTURED meant "raped" or Enthus O mania. People go away from ALL religious rituals where you PPRESUME to bring them into the presense of the "gods" was always understood to be MORTAL FEAR. Only banditos can TRAFFICATE on damaging religious rituals which BIBLE 101A prove that Jesus OUTLAWED as the 'burden' which includes AN EXTRA TAX when the preachercatos whine that "Jesus paid it all."

Any kind of "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals" is the laded burden Jesus DIED to cast down. SELF-pleasing as opposed to pleasing-for-education is the same MUSICAL creation of "mental excitement." In the Greek documents the DEMAGOGUES use "the performing arts to appease the People" whom he LIFTS UP for his own purposes (Heresy). The text often introduce the word KLEPTOMA in the formula.
    Please is the Greek meaning of the lust of the flesh:

    Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please.

    Airo (g142) ah'ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).

If it is MY conviction that we should take the liberty FROM religionism of Jesus or OPPOSE Rick who wants to IMPOSE a burden then undoubtedly Rick has some GOOD ELDERS to say "get over it or get out."

The REST Jesus died for means the SAME THING: if you artificially stimulate with speakers, singers or musicians Jesus identifies you as HYPOCRITES (Isa and Ezek). And John and all of the definitions of MUSICAL TERMS identifies you as SORCERERS who were identified as PARASITES.

This had the same meaning of EXTERNAL SINGING:
    Aoidê 1. art of song, autar aoidên thespesiên, spell, incantation,

    Aeidô sing,.hence of all kinds of vocal sounds, crow as cocks, hoot as owls, croak as frogs,; hoi tettiges chamothen aisontai, crowing too soon.


The tettiges are the LOCUSTS which are the MUSES serving Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon. They were driven into hell for bad mouthing the MOTHER GODDEss (ZOE). About now the old falling star has resurrected them and they can be heard in about any church with a Musical Worship Team.

Let every one of us please his neighbour for HIS GOOD to EDIFICATION (education) Rom 15: 2

The unlawful STAFF INFECTION knows very well that mega churches are to TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE (the seven Spirits) so if he IMPOSES coffee and donuts to SUCK IN THE SEEKERS the honest DISCIPLES have to "get over it or get out."

Paul said that we should KNOW a crucified Christ: contrary to ALL of the preachers he DID NOT SAY just "PREACH" Jesus. Paul said that:

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The REPROACHES of them that reproached thee fell on me. Rom 15: 3

The REPROACHES meant to MAKE HIM NAKED: the Levitical Warrior Musicians musically mocked Jesus right up to the Cross while the Romans exposed His nakedness. Music was always INTENTIONALLY--in the words of Carol Wimber--to bring on a sexual-like climactic experience with God. That is IDENTICAL to all paganism and she proposes GIVING OF SUBSTANCE right after the CLIMAX. Jesus said make DISCIPLES which is antithetical to the THRESKIA worship words. How DO you hold synagogue or school of the Bible as Paul's ONLY worship concept?

For whatsoever things were WRITTEN aforetime were written for our LEARNING that we through patience and comfort of the SCRIPTURES might have hope. Rom 15: 4

Of course, the preachers KNOW that you will not read the context! It took almost 400 years before people began to preachand add singing as an ACT of worship which was imposed along with SELF-COMPOSES text which reputiated the songs and sermons of the Spirit of Christ.
    Didaskalia (g1319) did-as-kal-ee'-ah; from 1320; instruction (the function or the information): - doctrine, learning, teaching.

    The direct command to Timothy was defined what was commanded for the church in the wilderness, endorsed by Jesus, commanded and practiced by Paul and practiced before the RICKY'S climbed on as what Peter called CORRUPTERS of the Word meaning "selling learning at retail." If Rick taught the truth or the COMMUNE understood it he could not be a HIRED HAND.

    Till I come, give attendance to [public] READING to exhortation, to doctrine. 1 Tim 4:13

    Attendance is a "worship" word meaning to hold the mind to.

Disciples are MADE by baptizing and teaching what Jesus taught and revealed through the apostles. Every school boy who aspired to be a DISCIPLE of a master tentmaker could comprehend that.

A Disciple is a STUDENT of Christ and WORSHIP of the Master Teacher is to GIVE HEED to what He said. Rick and the whole band of discorders do NOT understand the meaning of ekklesia or synagogue which the Campbells called A SCHOOL OF CHRIST by reading and musing the Word of God. No one involved in a MEGA-templel from diverting money from honest evangelists can possibly understand the idea of unity in CHRIST which He based upon HIS WORDS.

Disciples were called CHRISTIANS at Antioch.
    Epoikodomeo (g2026) ep-oy-kod-om-eh'-o; from 1909 and 3618; to build upon, i.e. (fig.) to rear up: - build thereon (thereupon, on upon).

    As ye HAVE therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Col 2:6

    Rooted and BUILT UP in him, strengthened in THE faith as you WERE TAUGHT, and overflowing with thankfulness. Col 2:7

This is the SAME as the NOT singing and NOT musical passages in Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3. Paul mentioned these two terms were the problem was intense and therefore defined BOTH singing AND melody as being IN THE HEART. That is a PLACE which is where God will be seeking YOU only if YOU are seeking Him and NOT lusting after HYPOCRITES Jesus defined as performance speakers, singers and musicians (Isa and Eze 33). PSALLO in its ROOT meaning is a BLOODY WARFARE word and NEVER defines anything but the PLUCKING of a string which ALWAYS defined a male seeking to PLUCK a young boy as a "minister of the goddess."

Received is:
    Paralambano (g3880) par-al-am-ban'-o; from 3844 and 2983; to receive near, i.e. associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by anal. to assume an office; fig. to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).

    This is much like the "singing" or teaching activity:

    Let the WORD of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; TEACHING and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace IN your hearts to the Lord. Col 3:16

    And whatsoever ye do in WORD or DEED, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. Col 3:17

Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Rom 15:5

Jesus did not try to AROUSE spiritual excitement. If He had done so He COULD NOT be a Teacher of SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE.

That ye may with ONE MIND and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 15: 6

THAT is NOT the one mind of the unlawful sophist or self-ordained elder: that is UNISON which produces UNITY whereas HARMONY always created DISCORDANT notes even in the simple music of the time. ONE MOUTH is not the preacher's mouth or the CLERGY PRECENTOR'S mouth or 4 MOUTHS but ONE mouth speaking "that which is Written."

That defines the ekklesia or synagogue which solves the diversity problem in Romans 14, BOTH of which had a music for PLEASURING practice.

Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us, to the GLORY of God. Rom 15:7

MUSIC was forcefully added to otherwise peacable churches among churches of Christ, the Baptists, Methodists and Presbyterians. That is NOT the liberty any person is given. It REJECTED others and glorified only the musicians and the "pastors" upon whom the added glory and contributions landed.

The outlawing of PLEASURING was EXAMPLED by Jesus and COMMANDED by Paul. You can use your liberty to DO music which appeals ONLY to the flesh but you cannot be Christ-like or Paul-obedient and impose it on others who grasp that worship is in the PLACE of the human spirit and NOT by the "works of human hands" of which MAKING MUSIC must be the most works-intensive.
    For, brethren, ye have been called unto LIBERTY; only use not liberty for an occasion to the FLESH, but by love SERVE one another. Gal 5:13
Paul commanded worship IN THE SPIRIT as opposed too IN THE FLESH because "outside there be concision and Dogs" identified by their singing styyles. An elder who says get over it or get lost MAY be the way to keep a COMMUNE or cummunity under control; but an ELDER does not have that authority NOR would anyone not a WOLF ever say that to someone who has "scruples."

The literature is 100% of the opinion that MUSIC appeals only to what Barnes called "the LUST of the eyes" and "the LUST of the ears." The "authority" for music has always been the Levitical Warrior Musicians. Because the temple was "like the nations" because that is what God turned them over to, the loud noises were exorcism practices.

You have to WANT to misunderstand that. That is book, chapter and verse. Ephesians 5 and Colossian 3 define the same TEACHING process and the ONLY meaning of collective WORSHIP.

The Catholic church says that music (even in its singing stage) was added because it was COMMON TO ALL PAGAN CULTS and many of the "for hire pagan priests" came flooding into the Catholic church when for the first time priests were paid by the state. The preachers are priests and the singers are Levites and the Lord's Supper is a MASS or sacrifce.

Unity is simple: REST, READ and REHEARSE the Word just like the Qahal, synagogue or "church in the Wilderness." Take the Lord's Supper and DISassemble yourselves and don't let ANYONE charge you to keep you BUSY and upset all week because they could not watch "one hour with Christ" without coffee and donuts.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Rick Atchley: Proof of Delusions is teaching without knowing.

November 14 2006, 12:18 PM 

It was the mid-1970s and the hot issue for the small Richland Hills Church of Christ was coffee and donuts in the Bible classroom. Rick Atchley, senior minister of the North Richland Hills, Texas, congregation--which has since grown into a megachurch--said a church elder’s handling of the situation made all the difference. The elder told the woman who was complaining to either leave or come back and be happy.

"I think there are people looking for churches with that spirit,"[Sure! communes] Atchley told a group of church leaders gathered at the North American Christian Convention in Louisville earlier this year. He said many members are tired of arguments over every issue, no matter how insignificant. Intead, he offered 10 ways for churches to keep the peace and remain united.


That was almost exactly the time when the Stone-Campbell Movement surfaced to try to UNIFY by having the non-instrumental (troublers) just affirm the "musical praise teams" (the world's oldest legalistic superstition) and begin to ADD music in the "baby step" of performing groups to LEAD you into the presence of God. Now, if someone objects that Jesus died to get that job, then our elders will jus tell him to "get over it or get out." That is a FACT and many have heard it when the elders-turned-wolves see the universal PERSONA of "performing" males doing the body worship known as the Lucifer Principle. Somewhere in that effort at UNITY by becoming Christian churches I remember Ricky admitting that he was more attuned to the Christian Church than to churches of Christ. Rubel Shelly made the same confession as if anyone needed the proof. Max Lucado claims and teaches like a Baptist which the Baptists would never hire. So, it is no wonder, that Ricky thinks that things like musical performance to suck in the seekers (Apollo or Abaddon invented that concept), women in ministry and even instrumental music is just like COFFEE AND DONUTS in the class. This is just like the the Hegeling effort to drive you into schizophrenia so that you TREMBLED even if you thought about opposing the same SECTARIAN HERESY Rick is using. Rick is still apparently trying to spread the word that to OPPOSE anything the "Holy Spirit" person drives them into will subject them to "shepherds" who open the gates OUTWARD for questioning lambs and INWARD for the wolves (a bad, bad word)

I heard the story of a faithful Christian who opposed things MORE important than coffee and donuts in the classroom. But, WE, always begin with stories like that and try to BRIDGE the gap to "worship teams" (wow), firing the vocational deacons and hand-picking DEACONESSES and adding instruments. Of course, they finally admit, we had to be FORCED to try to defend the DIVISIVE and unnecessary (so Christian church like) action by the use of PHOEBE and other "business women" who were servants and NOT staff infection to run the OTHER divisive "programs" when we were in the PROGRAMS stage of our adolescence. We even use poor David who is a VISUAL AID of all known sins who was HAND PICKED to help carry out the captivity and death sentence imposed at Sinai BECAUSE of musical idolatry. We use him as the authority for a Worship Minister and musicians. Big leap.

Yes, I heard the tidbits of a man who objected and discord developed in his family so the Stepford Wives encouraged his wife to divorce him? Is that a fact. Well-uh! That seems to be an APPROVED PATTERNISM of keeping the UNITY. Atchley has just jumped from Coffee into regulating family divisions?

Reporting on Rick Atchley spreading DISUNITY:

http://www.piney.com/Rick-Atchley-Music.html
    "The Unity Imperative," and he opened with the declaration,

    "I want to see in my lifetime, our fellowship reunited,
    and I intend to do all that I can to see that that happens" (p. 1).

He and the Richland Hills church already are in full-fellowship with the Christian Churches, but his goal is to move all of our preachers and churches to that same position. He insists that "we've (Churches of Christ) got to recover a passion for the doctrine of the unity of all believers" (p. 2).

So, Rick just PRETENDING to be part of the church of Christ but is INSTRUMENTAL is like Daniel Boone fighting a bear with bare knuckes! He is called upon to DIALOG with another INSTRUMENTALIST. Tulsa did that with Max Lucado (instrumentalists) holding forth with ANOTHER instrumentalists. Does the mantra I WILL DO ANYTHING really mean ANYTHING? Now, THAT sounds like Hitlers GREAT DEMONSTRATION so sing unity among those who already AGREE is a visual aid to seduce others to ABANDON THEIR principles.

Because Jesus founded a local EKKLESIA, synagogue or SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE there is NOTHING to unite. What Rick is discussing is a SOCIAL INSTITUTE fabricated out of nothing to give aid and comfort to performance preachers etal who have NO job description and NO FUNDING in the Bible or early church history. Numbers defines the EKKLESIA or synagogue or church in the wilderness to EXCLUDE linstruments and loud singing. Jesus exampled it and a group with ten males could form a synagogue or BIBLE STUDY GROUP. The example and direct command it to DISPOSE with diversities--for that shining moment--and teach one another THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN or SCRIPTURE which instructs, glorifies God and KEEPS the unity. Then, GO AWAY "Staff infection" just GO AWAY and if you are HONEST go OUT and preach the gospel. You will not have time to PRETEND to be missional by bonding with the spreaders of discord.

Well, the Great Donut Apostasy Shootout at Richland Hills has already shown us not to try to OUTDRAW the shepherds. Therefore, if you DON'T want to go where Ricky wants to LEAD you then you should expect what sounds like psychological violence to me. But, Ricky is ignorant about the Restoration Movemen and why the Bible universally condemns instruments and all church Fathers opposed it and all denomination founders opposed it and ONLY Ricky's INSTITUTE tried to justify the DELIBERATE SOWING OF DISUNITY as late as 1878 when they GULPED DOWN the Psallo word which DEMANDS that you also gulp down WARFARE and PERVERSION of all paganism because PSALLO has no musical meaning: especially when the Bible OUTLAWS such beginning bacl in the "church in the wilderness" and continued until Ricky's genetic material surfaced primarily after the Carpet Baggers decided to confiscate peaceable non-instrumental churches of Christ.

In ALL of Ricks PATTERNISM to bring about UNION and thereby deliberately SOW more discord he is FLAT IGNORANT about the Biblical and historical association between religious MUSIC and PERVERTS and the numerous Biblical examples where MUSIC is the MARK which tells God: "Shut your face." I cannot believe that people pay for such perversion of Biblical and historical facts.

Jesus warned against the lord, lord sayers who were musical prophesiers and wasn't lovey-dovey when He said:
    Ye hypocrites [actors, singers, speakers], well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, Mt 15:7

    This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoreth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. Mt.15:8
    But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matt 15:9 [songs, sermons, etal]
    Hupokrinô reply, make answer
    2. expound, interpret, explain [outlawed by Peter as private interpretation] II. Att., speak in dialogue, hence play a part on the stage, be an actor, kômôidian, of orators and rhetoricians, represent dramatically, use histrionic arts, exaggerate,
    Rhêtor-ikos , ê, on, oratorical, hê rhêtorikê (sc. technê). These are the craftsmen lumped with the singers, musicians and "grinder" doing merchandise in the house of prayer. Rev. 18:22

In the Isaiah Version Jesus POINTS to the SEALED BOOK in Texas:

    And the VISION of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed,
    which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:Isaiah 29:11 <>
    And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee:and he saith, I am not learned. Isaiah 29:12
    Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me,
    but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men : Isaiah 29:13

    Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder:
    for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
    and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
    Isaiah 29:14

Paul proves that ALL of the religious hypocrites those who count TOWERS and take up COLLECTIONS have no role to play in the church of Christ.

Ezekiel warned:

Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Eze 33:30
And they come unto thee as the people cometh,
and they sit before thee as my people,
and they hear thy words,
but they will not do them:

for with their mouth they shew much love,
(Lord, Lord as amorousness - inordinate love),
but their heart goeth after their covetousness. Eze 33:31

Indeed, to them you are NOTHING more than one who sings love songs (minstrel as a prostitute) with a beautiful voice
and plays (make melody on) an instrument well,

FOR they hear your words but do not put them into practice. Eze 33:32NIV

When all this comes true--and it surely will--then they will know that a prophet has been among them." Eze 33:33


How can a man PRESUME to do what only Jesus Christ and HIS WORD can do and be so ignorant of the UNIVERSAL association between MUSIC and REFUSING to hear God's Word. No wonder strong delusions can HALLUCINATE damnable GUILT on those who just SAID NO to beginning to do what FAITHFUL DISCIPLES had ALWAYS refused to do.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Richland Hills CC (Christian Church?) Has Arrived

November 19 2006, 10:04 PM 

So, the Richland Hills Christian Church has arrived? Finally? This is no longer a delusion or an assumption, huh?

What is this announcement about the “Saturday night service with instruments” beginning at R.H.C.C.?

“This is gonna be fun,” someone states.

Was it fun when Oak Hills Church [formerly “of Christ”] began its instrumental “service” with a small group?

I wonder if Tom Brite has some great advice for RHCC … or is its leadership beyond help in this matter? Oak Hills Church, I believe, is now a full-blown proponent of musical instruments—at least its “eldership.”

Will Richland Hills also drop the name “of Christ”? If so, it may not be a bad idea to disassociate itself from the brotherhood on its own volition.

Donnie

 
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Ken Sublett
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Just as PROPHESIED.

November 19 2006, 10:44 PM 

Donnie has mentioned the "how to boil a frog alive" and this GRADUALISM is noted in all history. Plato said that when then music changes you shouldn't think about the FORM of songs but that someone INTENDED to change the laws. Ricky joked about the "let it all hang out" using Rock and Roll (that "F" voodoo word) among the youth group. Apparently they have trained up enough to pull it off besides chasing off the owners and sucking in those of like precious heresy.

This is the APOLLO form of Seeker Center where he used MUSES (dirty whores) as his musical worship team. Collelcted lots of money PROPHESYING in the form Jesus noted of the "lord Lord sayers" whose NAME God does not even register in His mind. That is why the mega churches are collection points if you remember the role of the LOCUSTS or MUSES in Revelation for EASY LEFT BEHIND.

Lynn Anderson of Blowing the Winds of change and SHEEPHERDING noted that it took about 11 years to boil the frog to enable SINGING during the Lord's Supper. He always intended to build a mega Christian Church but wouldn't it be nice if the Christian church and Tulsa didn't USE Rick and Max Lucado and PRETENDING that they speak for the NON-INSTRUMENTAL churches of Christ.

I have posted a response to an elder-preacher in Seattle on the Richland Hills forum. There I note that this is the MARK of the Mother of Harlots defined in Revelation 17 where she PROCURES and USES false speakers, singers and musicians AFTER the candles have been removed (the seven spirits of God Iaa 11). John gives LIGHT to those with eyes and ears and calls them SORCERERS. Indeed, ALL musical terms speak of enchantmeng, charming or Sorcery. Anything you use to AROUSE spiritual anxity TRUMPS Jesus Christ Who died to fire the DOCTORS OF THE LAW who "take away the key to knowledge." It also violates the DIRECT COMMAND of Paul for the "synagogue" in Romans 15 agaisnt SELF PLEASING which also means "creating mental excitement" and this connectes directly to SINGING, the DEMAGOGUE who "appeases using the performing arts," the TYRANT who wears the MASK of minister and KLEPTOMA.

That is the NEW STYLE UNITY practiced by Ricky and in Seattle and elsewhere: TURN COAT and worship LIKE the pagans and you can have UNITY but on THEIR TERMS. That is the product of years of "effeminate song and sermon" which makes a nest of limp wrists who GET PAID as spiritual warriors NOT using CARNAL WEAPONS which means LIFELESS INSTRUMENTS. I no longer wonder why a David Koresh (the Cainite artificers were KORESH) or the Jim Jones who can get hundreds of people to commit suicide. That is Satan's purpose just as he tried to get Jesus to JUMP to prove Himself.

These people have been at it for a couple of decades and one really wonders why there are so few who have agreed to JUMP with the "band of merry men" who CONSPIRED to RESTRUCTURE churches of Christ including Carrol D. Osburn and the ACU crowd. They joke about using FEMINISTS HERMENEUTICS meaning "Matriarchal rule by small acts of treason." Is it any wonder when preachers of the church of Christ are not remotely prepared to do spiritual battle and can hardly bring themselves to condemn the worst of crimes knowing they will be looking for a job. If there be "Christians among the Sects" of which the MUSICAL SECTARIANS are the most violent, Alexander calls you to COME OUT OF BABYLON. God has no mercy for SORCERERS or for those who can be BLINDED by the "magica" meaning "musica" meaning "exegetice" which violates Peters outlawing of private interpretation or FURTHER EXPOUNDING.

Remember all of those people SCREECHING "Liar, liar" for all of those years? Those who ENABLE heresy ARE heretics and using the Bible on them will not work because they have graduated BEYOND THE SACRED PAGE and the "holy spirit" gives them visions (delusions) and AUDIBLE voices. And YOU GUYS think in gross error: "I would not have taken the KoolAid cure." You would and you have and selling your soul is worse than getting burned by Hitler.

 
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Re: Richland Hills CC (Christian Church?) Has Arrived

November 20 2006, 9:21 AM 

Donnie, if this is the case, then it is a sad day in the history of Richland Hills. There may be assurances given that this will never invade the Sunday morning assembly, but it is only a matter of time. The sad thing is that the decision probably has already been made that such will occur, it is only a matter of time.

I am sorry for those who will now loose their home congregation after having given so much in time and money.

Rather than moving to another location to begin their work with instruments, these leaders feel compelled to legally thieve from those who have built this congregation.

Some will acquiesce, others will embrace, and some will move on. The sad thing is that this will come at a cost which is immeasurable in spiritual lives. Many will simply disappear from the scene, never to be heard from again spiritually. Sadly, such price will be paid without any consideration from the leadership of the congregation of the price to be paid by those unknown folk.

Richland Hills is about 5 years behind Oak Hills. Let's see if the timetable holds true.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Richland Music?

November 21 2006, 5:28 PM 

This was the claim made by whalen at FaithSlight.con. He belongs to a Christian Church which is a SISTER church to Richland Hills.

I don't see an announcement on their web page yet but I listened in on communion at the BRIDGE which is a "campus" or little sister. They had some guy PICKING an electric Guitar (sounds like) during communion. Like woe!

Interestingly that their only "authority Word" is PSALLO and by definition and all of its uses it EXCLUDES using a guitar pick. Only fingers allowed because it is a TWANGING BOW or blood-letting word with NO music connection.

I notice that they have a GOVERNANCE COUNCIL and also a board of ELDERS. Isn't that interesting.

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Ricky drops the LOAD.

December 14 2006, 10:03 AM 

Tom or Jimmy if you know how to contact gwhalen you might ask him whether Rick Atchley is providing a VENUE for instrumental music to SUCK AWAY members from the Christian Church SISTER Gwhalen attends.

I have listened to Ricks NUMBER ONE set up for the decision to add sabbath worship and instrumental music. The first sermon was dedicated to the same old sex, lies and video tapes they all use. I have never seen such a short sermon which included so many outright lies and psychological violence.

They all make it very plain that if YOU object then he has already lumped you with the ANTI-instrumental church of Christers and the ignorant black preachers Rick is trying to seduce. Jack Evans recognizes the RACISM and speaks of a new COONSKIN movement. How lovely to totally discredit NOT using instruments with being a BLACK PREACHER trained with BAD THEOLOGY. Milton Jones in Seattle played the RACE CARD by telling the black members that those who would REJECT instrumental music would ENSLAVE them if they could. Is there NO shame?

The Joe Beam etal use of the Jerusalem Conference to give US the same authority as APOSTLES and the senior members (elders) to HEAR the Spirit and make changes WITHOUT having to tolerate any objection from the cheap seats. Of course, we readers know that Simeon was just QUOTING SCRIPTURE to prove that the CIRCUMCISION crowd were out of date and everyone knew it. Ricky wants to ADD instrumental music which is defined as legalistic USING MACHINES and against the Sabbath REST, as the LEGALISTIC- TRADITIONALISTS and claim to be the APOSTLES hearing the Spirit (don't know how yet).

Yet, that passage defines RICK as in error and defines the PREACHING in the synagogue each Sabbath as READING THE SCRIPTURES. That was commanded in the church in the wilderness, practiced by all of the faithful, exampled by Jesus, practiced and commanded by Paul and practiced by the historic church for centuries. His getting NEW LIGHT, we will show, is also the MARK of a Pharisee.

I have a new thread on the Richland Hills forum:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/177121/

I have listened to the FIRST SERMON and posted a cleaned up version here:

http://www.piney.com/Rick-Atchley-Music.html

The NEXT one I have downloaded is the BIBLICAL DEFENSE of instrumental music: I predict that it will be thee Farmer's Branch White Paper filled with black lies and the same one Max Lucado read when he claimed to be getting a NEW VISION.

Keep tuned and spread the word.

 
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No Turning Back Now....2 Elders resign

December 16 2006, 3:20 AM 

News - Nation's largest Church of Christ adding instrumental service. Jon Jones, an elder and former pulpit minister at the 6,400-member church, told the congregation Dec. 3 that Richland Hills’ elders “fully and completely” endorsed the decision.

Link to the article: http://www.christianchronicle.org/

Two of the congregation’s 17 elders resigned as a result of the decision, a church member who spoke on condition of anonymity told The Christian Chronicle. Dean, one of the remaining 15 elders, confirmed that he understood the decision had prompted two elders to resign.

Note from Jimmy: 11.7% of the elders resigned over this but Jon Jones, refusing to recognize this truth, states "There is unity in our eldership, and we are so thankful for that,” Jones told church members at a combined adult Bible study, according to a video on the church Web site.

Well, maybe there is unity in the 15 that are left but this tactic of runing off those who stand for truth, just so the apostizers can claim "unity" needs to be stopped!

In Christ,
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Re: No Turning Back Now...

December 17 2006, 10:24 PM 

Jimmy,

Add to the article’s allusion to Richland Hills as the “Nation’s largest Church of Christ adding instrumental service” another congregation. Tom Brite wrote a brief statement in one of the RHCC’s threads (“Musical Instruments @ RHCC: Harp on”; 12.16.2006):

    ” This makes the two largest Churches of Christ in the US, Oak Hills and Richland Hills instrumental. How many more will follow?”

The article in the Chronicle also mentions another of the large congregations that are subtly affiliating with and aiding the growth of the Christian Churches … and splintering the churches of Christ:

    “A growing but still small number of Churches of Christ nationwide host instrumental praise gatherings outside of regular worship services where the Lord’s Supper is offered. A few congregations — including the 1,700-member Farmers Branch, Texas, church — have added instrumental services with communion. But Richland Hills is, by far, the largest and most influential congregation to do so.”

So, there are three large congregations—their LEADERS, i.e.—who could not resist but yield to the temptation.

The methodology of transitioning by gradualism or incrementalism is occurring before our very eyes at Richland Hills Christian Church [oops!]. As Tom Brite would attest to it—Oak Hills did a prelim test with a “small service.” Then, there was the “point of no return.”

The resignation of the two elders at RHCC reminds me of the series of resignations at the Madison church when the Saddleback Community Church pattern was being implemented. Two elders resigned from the Madison eldership initially. By the time the disease was full-blown, 5 more elders resigned—do your math … the ones that resigned did not quite make the majority rule.

The same pattern may be followed at RHCC. The no-rule minority has no recourse but to say something similar to those at Madison—

    “We cannot be shepherds to a divided congregation who will not let us be their overseers; we cannot worship God in a divided congregation of the Lord’s church. If we have offended you in any way, we are truly sorry and ask for yours and God’s forgiveness. May God be merciful to all of us.”

Something that the majority RULE would not say!!!! [God knows for sure if 15 of 17 or 17 of 19 have honestly expressed their spiritual conviction in this matter.]

Donnie

 
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Re: No Turning Back Now...

December 18 2006, 12:42 PM 

Donnie, you forgot to refer to me as the "liberal Tom Brite" so that Doctor would know who you were referring to. Just kidding !!

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: No Turning Back Now...

December 18 2006, 4:46 PM 

Don't worry. Since there aren't that many liberals named "Tom Brite" lurking around, we all know who Donnie is talking about. Just kidding...yeah!

 
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What the Holy Scripture says about “liberality.”

December 18 2006, 9:34 PM 

In one of the following passages, Paul speaks to the Corinthian brethren as he did to the churches of Galatia about being liberal givers … and I would like to be this “liberal”:

  • I Cor. 16:1-3—“Now concerning the collection for the saints … let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. And when I come … will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.” [KJV]

James also speaks of another form of liberality. James 1:5—“If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.” [KJV]

OK … let’s not forget that while Tom Brite is a liberal giver and has asked for wisdom, he is not that kind of a “liberal” when it comes to what he believes regarding instrumental music. [Tom, I have bumped another somewhat forgotten thread just for you. It looks like you have an unfinished assignment or task to do.]



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Oops, there goes ANOTHER whopper!

December 21 2006, 5:40 PM 

WHY NO MEGA CHURCH CAN BE AN EKKLESIA OR SCHOOL OF CHRIST THROUGH THE BIBLE

Like all preachers of the instrumental persuasion willing to risk their souls by deliberately teaching false doctrine because THEY DO NOT KNOW the text, Rick without reading the chapter, THINKS that he has found a DIRECT COMMAND for INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE. I will quote the "immediate" context to see on the face of it that this reading is INTERPRETED without discernment and Ricks's interpretation contradicts the original ritual of David, almost 300 years ago. I would call that FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLY. Once you have been there, done that Rick gives you permission to NEVER DO THAT AGAIN. But, what does the Bible have to do with OUR culture asks Rick? Remember that God had abandoned the "united kingdom" to Astrial worship: one had the number 666. Therefore, God communicated to the LOST David through GAD who was a STARGAZER!

Rick ASSERTED 1 Chronicles 29 as Sowing of Discord Authority but didn't BOTHER to let the Spirit OF Christ get a word in edgewise: that IS the maning of Music to SHUT GOD'S FACE:

25 And he set the LEVITES in the house [court] of the LORD with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps,
    according to the commandment of David, and of Gad the king's seer,
    and Nathan the prophet [TRUMPETS]: for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.
26 And the LEVITES stood
    with the instruments of David,
and the priests
    with the trumpets.
27And Hezekiah commanded to offer the burnt offering upon the altar.
And when the burnt offering BEGAN
    [1] the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets,
    [2] and with the instruments ordained by David KING of Israel.
This is NOT a WORSHIP SERVICE but a PLAGUE-STOPPING PRAYER by Hezekian. Without a radical NEW BIRTH, it is too late for Rick and the Wolves to go back to the BASICS and grasp what is going on. I was tempted to define TEMPLES as the CAPITAL of the KING in unlawful and ungodly MONARCHIES of which David was part of God's CURSE for the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai and the sentence carried out BY THE KINGS.

BUT WAS THE TEMPLE AND ANIMAL SACRIFICES COMMANDED BY GOD? My reading shows that these were a curse because Isreael rejected The Book of the Covenant of Grace by turning back to Egyptian worship in Musical Idolatry. One hopes that Richland Hills has not been engaged in pagan, musical idolatry in their mega-temple and need to do a PLAGUE-STOPPING animal sacrifice with ONLY the King, officials and Civil Clergy present: noneof the "congregation" was allowed to attend this ritual OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT.

I feel the urge to back up to kindergarten 101aaa to show that once Israel had become a NATION after God ABANDONED THEM, the PLAN for the Temple came out just like that built by Hiram (the Masonic Architect) and was therefore supplied with IDOLS such as the Phallic Pillars with fertility stuff flowing out the top. That temple spent more time for pagan rituals than the animal sacrifices which were TYPICAL of Killing the gods but which gave no relief: therefore, it was a CURSE and NOT God's first but failed PATTERNISM FOR WORSHIP.

I challenge any preacher or professor to say that they understand the what and why of Hezekiah's Plague Stopping contract with God. Why would anyone appeal to a superstitious, pagan ritual of exorcism as AUTHORITY to go thou and do likewise. There is no way to take this INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE out of context without having God pour out His WRATH . Using the same logic, one could easily destroy all of the denominational churches in the area: just like Hezekiah who played the harp all of his life and let his son grow up to burn babies.

We have noted that churches in deep trouble often turn to music as a way to fill the unlawful collection plates. One of those church FATHERS whom Rick says does not condemn instruments spoke of the SOOTHSAYERS which John calls the speakers, singers and musicians: the millstone is a 'pipe' because of the sound it makes and is "perforated" and in Hebrew the grinder was also a prostitute
    "Nay, rather, to speak out more truly, the augurs, the dream interpreters, the soothsayers, the prophets, and the priestlings, ever vain, have devised these fables;

    for they, fearing that their own arts be brought to nought,
    and that they may EXTORT but scanty contributions from the devotees, now few and infrequent,

    whenever they have found you to be willing that their craft should come into disrepute, cry aloud,
    the Gods are neglected, and in the temples there is now a very thin attendance.

    For ceremonies are exposed to derision,
    and the time-honoured rites of institutions once sacred

    have sunk before the superstitions of new religions.
    And men--a senseless race--being unable, from their inborn blindness, to see even that which is placed in open light,

    dare to assert in their frenzy what you in your sane mind do not blush to believes." (Arnobius, Against the Heathen,


    http://www.piney.com/FathArnoHeres1.html
Paul DENIED the Law of Giving and even giving for the DESTITUTE under pressure he equated to EXTORTION.

All of history notes that the Praise Leaders were intended to praise the tribal LEADER and prop him up and give him glory so he can BOAST.

How churches can go BEYOND BABYLON and the Vilest Pagan Temple
    "Each of the important deities had, in one or more of the Babylonian cities, a large temple in which he or she was worshiped. Temple services were generally conducted in open courts containing fountains for ablution and altars for sacrifices.
      Only the high priest and other privileged members of the clergy and court were permitted to enter the cella, or inner part of the temple, which held the special statue of the deity.

    The needs of the deity were provided for in accordance with impressive ceremonies carried out by a vast institutionalized clergy that included priests, musicians, magicians, soothsayers, dream interpreters, astrologers, and hierodules (temple slaves or prostitutes).
    Sacrifices of food, drink, or incense were offered daily. Numerous festivals were held, the most important of which was the celebration of the new year at the spring equinox. [Encarta Encyclopedia]

No speaker, singer or musician dared come BEFORE THE DEITY on the penalty of Death in Jerusalem. Rick has dared to go where not even the vilest pagan temple permitted.

The ENCOMIAST was the clergy PRAISE SINGER. McClintock and Strong says that this was "the first heresy largely pervading the church."

FAST FORWARD TO SEE WHAT JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR

An EKKLESIA or church of Christ ASSembles itself to Rest, Read, Rehearse and honor the Lord. The word REST outlaws speakers, singers or picking and grinning: the Sabbath prevented "sending out MINISTERS" and maybe that is why Paul waited until MONDAY MORNING to leave toen.

When the SUNAGO DISSassembles itself where does it god? Like a candle, it just QUITS PROSCESSING. The Lord's Day is for the people NOT the unlawful clergy. The group then goes about its OWN life and an elected "elder" calls an assembly if needed. It has NO staff infection and NO FUNDING for the lazy asses (John Calvin's words) to ride on the backs of widows (meaning Pharisee).

THEREFORE, A MARK of Babylonianism is an INSTITUTE which unlike the 'threshing oxen' just moves in as husband. ALL temples were the King's Shrine and Israel had been "turned over" to be just a Gentile Nation--worse than Sodom, says God. Look again at what Israel PRAYED FOR:
    "An Egyptian temple was NOT a place of public worship. It was the shrine for the neter (wrongly translated as god), who represented some specific aspect of the One God.
      Only the priesthood had access to the inner sanctuaries, where the sacred rites and ceremonies were performed. In some instances, only the King himself or his authorized substitute had permission to enter.

      "The ancient Egyptian temple was built to facilitate the meeting
      between a specific supernatural / metaphysical force (neter/netert),
      and the physical / human, for the benefit of the people, land, and the universe.
    "It was not intended to be an art gallery for academicians and tourists. Only a small part of it was open to the ancient Egyptian public, on annual festivities. Therefore, every ancient Egyptian temple had / has a specific function.

We learned in the Fast Group that Israel's MUSICAL TRINITARIAN IDOLATRY was seen by God as a PRAYER: Stephen and lots of Old Testament is spent informing the Jews that far from being favored, they had been TURNED OVER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST. We also learned that SCHOLARS understand this to be Sabanism or Astrial Deity worship: that is why the SABBATH had to be calculated based on the MOON: the Moon Goddess is ALLAH.

The SABBATH or REST was a COVENANT SIGN between God and Israel that HE did all of the work: the Israelites POLLUTED the Sabbath with MUSIC: the Word similar to HALAL can mean "play the flute, steal your property, pollute or prostitute": It NEVER means worship. It defines Lucifer CAST OUT OF HEAVEN and the Musical Ministrels CAST OUT LIKE DUNG by Jesus Christ Who REPUDIATES anyone HELPING Him do His Work. The Lord's Day is a Covenant Sign of spiritual REST: music POLLUTES that rest as Scripture makes clear by words such as REST.

If you PERFORM the work of a WORSHIP SERVICE you are VIOLATING both the Rest of Creation and the Rest or ReCreation. And nothing is more WORKS INTENSIVE than musical performance: (Jesus called them hypocrites, John called them Sorcerers, literate society called them PARASITES

Any clear reading of the text will show that the Jews observed SUN SET but all of the evidence has the LORD'S DAY beginning EARLY at Midnight: that is why Jesus could meet with them EARLY on the first day of the week and still meet again in the EVENING of the First day of the week.

FOR THE CIVILIANS: God commanded the Qahal, ekklesia or synagogue and EXCLUDED the loud noises of wind instruments and EXCLUDED "making a joyful noise before the Lord: we learned that from the meaningof ALARM or TRIUMPH which creates the BURDEN Jesus died to remove to give us REST: Pauo means "Stop the speaking, Stop the singing, Stop the Music."

For the Military-Industrial Complex, the BURDEN was laded on the backs of the LEVITES to make sacrifices: the SERVICE of the singers is called HARD BONDAGE and never worship.

EXCEPT BY YOUR LEAVE THERE IS NO ROLE OF PREACHER IN THE CHURCH OF CHRIST If people are hired it is to be TEACHERS and not SLAVE DRIVERS to keep up the ANXIETY under the PLOY of growth.

The Church in the Wilderness was to REST, Read and Rehearse the Word of God: even "songs" were RECITED because there is no METRICAL MATERIAL IN THE BIBLE. It was recited with accent marks and the "normal inflections of the human voice." Even the Greek for narrative poetry demands RECITING without music. LYRIC songs demand a LYRE as Lucian says just like to "play the flute yoou NEED a flute" or "to ride a horse you NEED a horse." They lie about Lucian also. The synagogue in the WILDERNESS as all Jewish authorities along with ALL Bible readers. (Greg Killian) note:
    Qahal (h6951) kaw-hawl'; from 6950; assemblage (usually concr.): - assembly, company, congregation, multitude.

    "A community, qahal in Hebrew, is a Jewish community of any size. The qahal was a well established concept and was called an ekklesia in the Nazarean Codicil. In English we translate the Greek ekklesia as church. So, whenever we see the word church in our Nazarean Codicil's, we should have in mind the concept of a qahal, a community or congregation.

    The Septuagint uses the word Ecclesia seventy times when it translates the Hebrew word: kve (qahal could also be spelled Cahal), from which we get our English word call. It means to call together, to assemble, or gather together.

    The synagogue serves the same purpose for a community
    that the Temple served for the nation


    From this midrash we learn that the STUDY and application of the scriptures and the oral law,
    are the work that a group of people put in to establish a qahal.

    However, without a structure to impart this wisdom, the qahal will not prosper. The structure that establishes and prospers a qahal is the synagogue.

Jesus wiped out the temple for the third time and burned up all of the musicians and tens of thousands of instruments.
He established the EKKLESIA which does not mean CHURCH named after Circe, the Mother of Harlots who seduced with drugs and music and fed you on hand-kneeded dung patty cakes. Or it is named after Kurios (?) which defines an AUTHORATIVE INSTITUTION.

The church of Christ is a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE and it is exampled by Jesus, defined by Paul in clear explicit terms and practiced for almost the year 400 when preaching and singing came in with the pagan priests.

Next, if you are interested in OBEYING Hezekiah (or the commentator) I will quote the text to prove that this was both totally a CIVIL-MILITARY animal plague stopping sacrifice.

 
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Why?

January 11 2007, 8:44 AM 

I stumbled across your website quite accidentally and I can't help but wonder why all the hate?

All I've heard about Christians is that you people love God and God loves the world. I read no love here.

None at all.

I guess it's all just a sham. If you were really interested in what you preached, you wouldn't be invest so much time and energy creating websites that displayed the complete opposite. I can't wait to share this website with my friends. It's pretty revealing about what Christians are all about.

Hate.

 
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Stumbled?

January 11 2007, 10:47 AM 

I always worry about people who STUMBLE onto things.

Now: I have about 3000 research articles.

The first one you noted was a review of the PUBLISHED sermons of an eldership.

They had a hidden agenda (not for most of us) for a decade to sow discords so someone gets a job as band leader.

They have perverted about EVERY Biblical and historical statement about musical instruments to COERCE this congregation into going Sabbaterian (Saturn=666) and instrumental knowing beforehand and with a high hand that he would sow MASSIVE DISCORD. They have probably gone beyond repenting.

I do a REBUTTAL of each and every false statement and quote BIBLE and the scholars HE lied about.

You call that HATE.

I think YOU are on the DOLE sucking up the lifeblood of widows and honest evangelists.
The SCHOOL OF CHRIST has NO roles which either needs or can TOLERATE a WAGE for anything but expository teaching: Paul didn't PREACH till midnight: He DIALOGED which word EXCLUDES poetry and music. You NEED to find an honest job and quite lying about people who Quote Biblical and Historical facts.

They had better be glad that Jesus sent me to just correct errors: he would turn over the collection plates, fire the "doctors of the Law who take away the key to knowledge," and because they take money from a widow he would tear down the building stone by stone and BAPTIZE with a SPIRIT OF BURNING a million NOT-Israelites on the garbage heap called TOPHETH or TAMBOURINE which has been KING SOLOMON'S MUSIC GROVE.

Part of the big fat lie is to accuse people who quotes the Bible with spreading hate: an oky from muskoegee accused me of LYING for quoting the Bible. That is BIG TIME HATE. Did YOU know that Gen 4:21 is the same as Genesis 4:21 and THAT is in the Bible. Have YOU read the rebuttals most of which are still on forums?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Quit drinking?

January 11 2007, 12:02 PM 

I used to stumble like that so I quit drinking Antifreeze and I feel real good.

I promise to love you if you DON'T fleece widows and hard working honest people doing that bad thingy called Musicating in the Holy Places.

And, if you lie about every musical fact in the Bible and known history to FORCE people into musical idolatry to deliberately SOW DISCORD I wil NOT like you: not even a widow's mite worth.

I tell you flatly: I DO NOT like WAGED people who depend on Biblical ignorance to make a living and who MARK themselves, as JESUS told me, as Sons of the Devil because they SPEAK ON THEIR OWN. Now, that includes most sermons and ALL SONGS which heresy did not happen for almost 400 years.

Anyone who PERFORMS publically and stands in the holy place claiming to be God by claiming to musicate and "lead you into the presence of God" I honor you just exactly the way Jesus did: for those who TOOK the widow's mites He IMMEDIATELY promised that the temple would be taken down stone by stone. And a million of the CROOKED GENERATION (skolion singers etc.) would be Baptized with a Spirit OF BURNING.

They were so far gone that He spoke PARABLES to prevent them from even hearing His message because they were sons of Satan and John refused to baptize them because they were a "generation of vipers."

Now, that you have spewed, go ahead and read the posted article and tell us that YOU think that it is LOVING to pervert all of the musical passages.

God DOES NOT have any love or grace to people who REJECT his Word: Hebrews 6 says that is an unforgivable sin and Paul said that God sends STRONG DELUDERS or pours out His WRATH which means that He SENDS you jesters, buffoons and musicians as LOCUSTS or SORCERERS (John 18) at the same time He picks up His CANDLESTICK.

 
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People BEYOND prayer!

January 11 2007, 8:01 PM 

In all of the "musical" passages in the Bible there is a rejection of the Word and depending on SELF-pleasure to create FERTILITY now meaning 'forced church growth.' These people have moved beyond redemption.

In The Book of Enoch and dozens of ancient versions of the Jubal family who "handled instruments WITHOUT AUTHORITY people are warned that once they leave the presence of the LIVING WORD and get musically tempted into the slime pits of the Cainites they will never get back up. Some of the things which god HATES and for which there is no remedy are happening before your eyes: you should pray for their defeat and try to SNATCH the ones and twos out of the assured fires PREPARED for Satan and all she can seduce with music.

Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding:
therefore I hate every false way.
Psa 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet,
and a light unto my path.
Psa 119:106 I have sworn, and I will perform it,
that I will keep thy righteous judgments.
Psa 119:107 I am afflicted very much:
quicken me, O Lord, according unto thy word.
Psa 119:108 Accept, I beseech thee,
the freewill offerings of my mouth,
O Lord, and teach me thy judgments.
Psa 119:109 My soul is continually in my hand:
yet do I not forget thy law.
Psa 119:110 The wicked have laid a snare for me:
yet I erred not from thy precepts.
Psa 119:111 Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever:
for they are the rejoicing of my heart.
Psa 119:112 I have inclined mine heart
to perform thy statutes alway, even unto the end.
Psa 119:113 I hate vain thoughts:
but thy law do I love


Pr 6:12 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward
Pr 6:13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;
Pr 6:14 Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord.
Pr 6:15 Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken WITHOUT REMEDY.
Pr 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pr 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pr 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pr 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Zech 8:16 These are the things that ye shall do;
Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour;
execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates:
Zech 8:17 And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour;
and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the Lord.

So do not pray for this people, or lift up a cry or prayer for them; (Jeremiah 11:14)

If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. (1 John 5:16)

 
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Viper Detector: the MARK is well defined.

January 14 2007, 11:37 PM 

All of the BLACK text is from Clement of Alexandria who the sowers of discord CLAIM do not condemn instrumental music: Paul and John especially use POINTERS to pagan religionism to define the NEW STYLE WORSHIP from OLD STYLE BABYLON and Just in time.

John uses Circe--from which we get Church--as the pattern for the Mother of Harlots: she seduces people with enchanting music and then stikes them with her wand (sting) and turns them into Swine. Sorcery is a "pharmacy" word: Circe seduces with MUSIC and drugs and Nimrod knew the power of Music and medical science knows that it INJECTS or INDUCES endorphins which create the effects of FIGHT, FLIGHT or SEXUALITY. That is why music as the heretical "musical worship teams" is part of the ten-year plan to cause the owners to FLEE from what they might sense but not totally grasp. Only one or two will FIGHT to prevent the MASSIVE, PREMEDIATED and with a high hand sowing of discord and offending MANY or MOST of the original body. However, as the viper eggs hatch out cockatrices, those seduced by music as the Lucifer Principle confiscate the vacated pews of those with SPIRIT and that is why all of the Biblical examples and The Book of Enoch define musical seduction as WITHOUT REDEMPTION because the INTENTION is to silence the small quantity of Biblical teaching. My view based on all of the reading of Revelation is that the LOCUSTS are separating people based on their MARKS and we should rejoice and be glad: God gives us permission to hiss, clap and boo when He begins to beat them into hell with wind, string and percussion instruments:

http://www.piney.com/Isa30LXX.html

John uses Apollo known as Apollyon or Abaddyon or Satan who unleashes the LOCUSTS which have fatal stingers in their tail. In the legends the locusts were the MUSES whom the Motherof Harlots had send underground. Apollo unleashes them as Musical Worship Musicians in the end time. The fact that they have stingers agrees with John who called all of the performing arts in the church as SORCERERS who deceive the world and "put out their candles." The literature is filled with associating the grasshopper and locusts with the Muses--known as filthy prostitutes.

That is why John MARKS Zoe who is known as the "beast and female instructing principle" who forced the dumb brother, Logos, to form musical worship teams to worship Sophia and Zoe.

Even if John was demented, you are still left with the fact that 100% of known literature including the Bible associates Lucifer or Satan with the 'singing and harp playing prostitute.' WHY do you suppose that unlawful "pastors" lust to promote the PERSONA of prostitutes and, and if male either drunk or Sodomites. Even the word PSALLO connects 100% of the time with nasty men lusting for the brother singers to perform. The word PSALLO also has the root meaning of APOLLYON using his "twanging bow to shoot literal or LOVE arrows into you." Blood and warfare are the ONLY meaning of PSALLO. That is why even Simple Simons SHOULD be able to grasp that the command is to SPEAK (which excludes poetry or music) one to another and keep the PSALLO and GRACE in the heart and not let it BREAK OUT and burn you up as Paul explains in Romans 1.


Clement of Alexandria and ALL of those church fathers which Rick claims are not AGAINST instrumental music IN CHURCH wrote:.

http://www.piney.com/MuClement.html

Chapter I.-Exhortation to Abandon the Impious Mysteries of Idolatry for the Adoration of the Divine Word and God the Father.
Amphion of Thebes and Arion of Methymna were both minstrels, and both were renowned in story.
They are celebrated in song to this day in the chorus of the Greeks;
the one for having allured the fishes, and the other for having surrounded Thebes with walls by the power of music.
Another, a Thracian (A Barbarian), a cunning master of his art (he also is the subject of a Hellenic legend), tamed the wild beasts by the mere might of song; and transplanted trees-oaks-by music.

I might tell you also the story of another, a brother to these-the subject of a myth, and a minstrel-Eunomos the Locrian and the Pythic grasshopper. A solemn Hellenic assembly had met at Pytho, to celebrate the death of the Pythic serpent,when Eunomos sang the reptile's epitaph. Whether his ode was a hymn in praise of the serpent, or a dirge, I am not able to say. But there was a contest,
and Eunomos was playing the lyre in the summer time: it was when the grasshoppers, warmed by the sun, were chirping beneath the leaves along the hills; but they were singing not to that dead dragon, but to God All-wise,-a lay unfettered by rule, better than the numbers of Eunomos.
    Babrazô , chatter, chirp, of the grasshopper, Anan.5.6.
    Socrates from Phaedrus. A Parallel to Romans 14 and 15 with "music" outlawed and discourse of the word commanded:

    And what is well and what is badly-need we ask Lysias,
    or any other poet or orator,

    who ever wrote or will write either a political or any other work,
    in metre or out of metre, poet or prose writer, to teach us this.

    Phaedrus. Need we? For what should a man live if not for the pleasures of discourse?
    Surely not for the sake of bodily pleasures,
    which almost always have previous pain as a condition of them,
    and therefore are rightly called slavish.
    There is time enough.
    And I believe that the grasshoppers chirruping after their manner.
    in the heat of the sun over our heads
    are talking to one another and looking down at us.

    What would they say if they saw that we, like the many, are NOT conversing,
    but slumbering at mid-day, lulled by their voices, too indolent to think?
    Would they not have a right to laugh at us?
    They might imagine that we were slaves,
    who, coming to rest at a place of resort of theirs,
    like sheep lie asleep at noon around the well.


    Chirruping is:
    Liddell- Scott: teret-isma , atos, to, a humming, twanging, phormingôn [Apollo's Harp] ; chirruping of cicadas

The Locrian breaks a string. The grasshopper sprang on the neck of the instrument, and sang on it as on a branch; and the minstrel, adapting his strain to the grasshopper's song, made up for the want of the missing string. The grasshopper then was attracted by the song of Eunomos, as the fable represents, according to which also a brazen statue of Eunomos with his lyre, and the Locrian's ally in the contest, was erected at Pytho. But of its own accord it flew to the lyre, and of its own accord sang, and was regarded by the Greeks as a musical performer.

How, let me ask, have you believed vain fables and
supposed animals to be charmed by music
while Truth's shining face alone, as would seem appears to you disguised,
and is looked on with incredulous eyes?

And so Cithaeron, and Helicon, and the mountains of the Odrysi, and the initiatory rites of the Thracians, mysteries of deceit, are hallowed and celebrated in hymns. For me, I am pained at such calamities as form the subjects of tragedy, though but myths; but by you the records of miseries are turned into dramatic compositions

But the dramas and the raving poets, now quite intoxicated, let us crown with ivy; and distracted outright as they are, in Bacchic fashion, with the satyrs, and the frenzied rabble, and the rest of the DEMON crew, let us confine to Cithaeron and Helicon, now antiquated.

But let us bring from above out of heaven, Truth, with Wisdom in all its brightness, and the sacred prophetic choir, down to the holy mount of God; and let Truth, darting her light to the most distant points, cast her rays all around on those that are involved in darkness, and deliver men from delusion, stretching out her very strong right hand, which is wisdom, for their salvation.

And raising their eyes, and looking above, let them abandon Helicon and Cithaeron, and take up their abode in Sion. "For out of Sion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem, (Isaiah 2:3) -the celestial Word, the true athlete crowned in the theatre of the whole universe. What my Eunomos sings is NOT the measure of Terpander, nor that of Capito, nor the Phrygian, nor Lydian, nor Dorian,
but the immortal measure of the new harmony which bears God's name-the new, the Levitical song ( Ps. xcvi. 1, xvciii. 1.)
    "Soother of pain, calmer of wrath, producing forgetfulness of all ills. ( Odyssey, iv. 220.
    Sweet and true is the charm of persuasion which blends with this strain.
To me, therefore, that Thracian Orpheus, that Theban, and that Methymnaean,-men, and yet unworthy of the name,-seem to have been deceivers, who, under the pretence of poetry corrupting human life, possessed by a spirit of artful sorcery for purposes of destruction, celebrating crimes in their orgies, and making human woes the materials of religious worship, were the first to entice men to idols;

John spoke of rhetoricians, singers and musicians and called the SORCERERS.
    nay, to build up the stupidity of the nations with blocks of wood and stone,-that is, statues and images,-
    subjecting to the yoke of extremest bondage the truly noble freedom of those who lived as free citizens under heaven by their songs and incantations.
That is why rhetoricians, singers and musicians were known as PARASITES and polite communities did a version of TAR AND FEATHERING the "for hire"--called by Jesus HYPOCRITES--and known as PARASITES and rode them out ot town. Not, apparently in Texas.

But not such is my song, which has come to loose, and that speedily, the bitter bondage of tyrannizing demons; and leading us back to the mild and loving yoke of piety, recalls to heaven those that had been cast prostrate to the earth. It alone has tamed men, the most intractable of animals; the frivolous among them answering to the fowls of the air, deceivers to reptiles, the irascible to lions, the voluptuous to swine, the rapacious to wolves.
    In Acts 20 Paul defines elders who are WOLVES lusting to lead people away for their own uses. Both the wolf and the dog were names for the male Catamites to which musical performance always attached. That is why Paul insisted that we worship IN THE SPIRIT and not in the FLESH to prevent the Dogs or Sorcerers from using and abusing God's people. No one can DISCONNECT religious musical performance from, as the fathers note, either flute-girls (synonym for prostitute) or if MALE wither "drunk, perverted or 'just for fun.'"
The silly are stocks and stones, and still more senseless than stones is a man who is steeped in ignorance. As our witness, let us adduce the voice of prophecy accordant with truth, and bewailing those who are crushed in ignorance and folly: "For God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham; (Matt. iii. 9; Luke iii. 8.) and He, commiserating their great ignorance and hardness of heart who are petrified against the truth, has raised up a seed of piety, sensitive to virtue, of those stones-of the nations, that is, who trusted in stones. Again, therefore, some venomous and false hypocrites (rhetoricians, singers, musicians=sorcerers) , who plotted AGAINST righteousness, He once called "a brood of vipers. ( Matt. iii. 7; Luke iii. 7.)
    You will note that Clement, being Bible and culture literate, connects the pagan musicians to the brood of vipers Jesus identified slick speakers, singers and musicians as HYPOCRITES by pointing to Isaiah and Ezekiel condemning "mouth religion."

    We have noted that John refused to baptize the generation of Vipers as Jesus refused to speak without parables to the "sons of the Devil who speak on their own" and Peter said we save ourselves FROM the crooked generation which points absolutely to the perverted male symposia where singing SKOLION songs with and without instruments is the meaning of "getting drunk on wine" by Paul.

But if one of those s even is willing to repent, and follows the Word, he becomes a man of God.
Others he figuratively calls wolves, clothed in sheep-skins, meaning thereby monsters of rapacity in human form. And so all such most savage beasts, and all such blocks of stone, the celestial song has transformed into tractable men.

"For even we ourselves were sometime foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another." Thus speaks the apostolic Scripture: "But after that the kindness and love of God our saviour to man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy, He saved us. ( Tit. iii. 3-5.)

Behold the might of the new song! It has made men out of stones, men out of beasts. Those, moreover, that were as dead, not being partakers of the true life, have come to life again, simply by becoming listeners to this song.

It also composed the universe into melodious order, and tuned the discord of the elements to harmonious arrangement, so that the whole world might become harmony. It let loose the fluid ocean, and yet has prevented it from encroaching on the land. The earth, again, which had been in a state of commotion, it has established, and fixed the sea as its boundary. The violence of fire it has softened by the atmosphere, as the Dorian is blended with the Lydian strain; and the harsh cold of the air it has moderated by the embrace of fire, harmoniously arranging these the extreme tones of the universe.

And this deathless strain,-the support of the whole and the harmony of all,-reaching from the centre to the circumference, and from the extremities to the central part, has harmonized this universal frame of things,
not according to the Thracian music, which is like that invented by Jubal,
but according to the paternal counsel of God, which fired the zeal of David.
    And He who is of David, and yet before him, the Word of God,
    despising the lyre and harp, which are but lifeless instruments, (For Paul on lifeless instruments see 1 Corinthians 14)
and having tuned by the Holy Spirit the universe, and especially man,-who, composed of body and soul, is a universe in miniature,
makes melody to God on this instrument of many tones; and to this instrument-I mean man-he sings accordant:

"For thou art my harp, and pipe, and temple. (Probably a quotation from a hymn. )
-a harp for harmony-
a pipe by reason of the Spirit-
a temple by reason of the word;
    so that the first may sound,
    the second breathe,
    the third contain the Lord.
THE CARNAL TYPENote that David's poems TEND to be poetic: therefore these polluted instruments are eleminated by his statement that only those things WITH BREATH can praise God

And David the king, the harper whom we mentioned a little above, who exhorted to the truth and dissuaded from idols,
was so far from celebrating demons in song, that in reality they were driven away by his music.
Thus, when Saul was plagued with a demon, he cured him by merely playing.

THE SPIRITUAL TYPE unless you are PLAGUED by a demon:

A beautiful breathing instrument (Psalm 150) of music the Lord made man, after His own image. And He Himself also, surely, who is the supramundane Wisdom, the celestial Word, is the all-harmonious, melodious, holy instrument of God.
What, then, does this instrument-the Word of God, the Lord, the New Song-desire?

To open the eyes of the blind, and unstop the ears of the deaf, and to lead the lame or the erring to righteousness,
to exhibit God to the foolish, to put a stop to corruption, to conquer death, to reconcile disobedient children to their father.

The instrument of God loves mankind. The Lord pities, instructs, exhorts, admonishes, saves, shields, and of His bounty promises us the kingdom of heaven as a reward for learning; and the only advantage He reaps is, that we are saved. For wickedness feeds on men's destruction; but truth, like the bee, harming nothing, delights only in the salvation of men.

You have, then, God's promise; you have His love: become partaker of His grace. And do not suppose the song of salvation to be new, as a vessel or a house is new.

For "before the morning star it was; " (Ps. cx. 3. Septuagint has, "before the morning star.") and "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

Error seems old, but truth seems a new thing.

I will post some facts to PROVE that the LOCUSTS have been unleashed in Texas and they have SCORPION STINGERS in their tails. John says that this STING is called SORCERY where the Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) USES the rhetoricians, singers and musicians to REMOVE THE CANDLESTICK.

If Rick is correct--and evidence supports Him--that NONE of the once-Christian colleges teaches the NON-INSTRUMENTAL position anymore then PARENTS and people with WILL should be informed by a massive PR campaign. I can affirm that even "conservative" colleges bring in INSTRUMENTAL people masked as NEUTRAL, or incompetents to debate the pro-instrumental position.

The first count is a GROUP MIND agreed to conspire about the TRUTH which no "student" can be ignorant of.
The Second Count is that of treachery against those who founded them. But, don't be surprised, God is pouring out His wrath
(making buffoons of us all) for being ignorant of the absolute truth:

IF YOU BUILD AN INSTITUTE SATAN WILL COME AS SEEKER.

So, invest your money with that Nigerian widow: at least we KNOW bait and switch.

 
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Re: Rick Atchley: Prophet of Unity?

January 18 2007, 4:32 PM 

Chris Klessens addressed the Richland forum: he has been looking at the meanings of words and how they are linked in the Bible and has some good commentary. We know that the faithless love to define things out of Webster's but it is important to use a version which sticks as close to the original as possible so that we can see how words are defined and look at the ancient literature to see that even we simple minded laidity can get it right. Those who infantilize it to "make reading easier" are in reality perverting the Word and deliberately hiding it from the disciple. Chris along with others have been "searching the Scriptures" and are happy that there are others worthy of the hate of brethren when you say that 'The King has no CLOTHES."

Chris, I have responded to your e-mail first. You mentioned Zechariah 13 and I have posted some notes which agree with your findings.
Zechariah spells out what would happen at the First Advent: the clergy did not have a clue and most still do not know about Zechariah whose predictiions--like many--can have several fulfillments.. They seem to fit Revelation 18 defining especially the end-time rise of Satan as Apollo whom people lust to worship along with His vile Locusts.

http://www.piney.com/Zechariah.13.html

This is quite rough but will give you what I have so far. You have expended on my postings and that is THE meaning of the ekklesia which as far as I can determine has no modern example.

It is mind-boggling when the message associates music with Satan, warriors, pagan animal sacrifices, prostitutes and sodomites with no excception other than personal twanging like David AND "christianism" which is "religionism" can lie TO God and ABOUT God 100% of the time. This has suddenly happened in many religious groups who have contacted me so I am sure that the lying Wonders is truly of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS. We always wanted to know 'what would you do with Jesus" and thought that it waas all in the past: Shock and Awe and MOST will be suprised like the FIRST advent when Jesus has been here and gone: like Amos, God "will not pass this way again."

Yes STRIKING THE SHEPHERD was prophesied and fulfilled as MUSICAL MOCKING and don't sheep SCATTER but most will burn. Isn't it wildly wild that those who have made a profession of anti PATTERNISM have been given the eternal patternism of the Mother of Harlots which is more traditional. sectarianizing, legalistic and perverse than any which came before it.

Keep up the good work. Ken

 
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PSALLO: Separates Satan from Jesus Christ and the Ekklesia

February 3 2007, 12:47 AM 

Paul begins by identifying his TARGET as wicked men of no faith. However, they plagued all of the new churches wanting to be paid to be their pagan-like priest. If the elders are incompetent as pastor-teachers, and because churchmen have always been of the "nobility" exercising civic power and pride, and need to hire a Pastor-Teacher, he is STILL under the absolute LAW to "teach that which has been taught" and to be "an example for other to follow." What will all the little lambs do when they discover that the SHEPHERDS have fulfilled Acts 20 and become WOLVES which is NOT a pretty word.

Jesus speaking of the Market-place and casting out the musical minstrels LIKE DUNG drew a BLOOD RED ROPE between the Agora or market-place and the ekklesia.

Apollo or the Apollyon of Revelation was the GOD OF THE AGORA and the MUSES or musical worship team known as adulterers were his TEAM. That proves that Satan is the "god" of the marketplace and the MARK is the musicians and singers performing as SORCERERS in Revelation 18.

The Agora was the place where men PREACHED FOR PAY and as rhetoricians it didn't matter whether it was the truth or not, we have defined all of the churches ENABLED to become mega-churches.

The first meaning of PSALLO which is ALWAYS lied about because Apollo was the father of the twanging bow to send forth singing arrows, musical harmony, thieves and liars. NOT such a good foundation to put your OWN money into because if the old "investors" were fleeced the NEW group will be fleeced. Just like Jim Bakker!

The SECOND meaning of PSALLO spoke of the blood-red painted ROPE which forced the people from the Marketplace where Jesus placed the perverted musicians whose New Wineskin god was Dionysus and INTO the ekklesia which was, like the synagogue, for EDUCATION ONLY. Making it a WORSHIP CENTER is the BOAST that they have falllen under the Mother of Harlots (Revelation 17) because THEY know that YOU are not smart enough or ethical enough to resist perverting about ALL Biblical and historical evidence connecting music to Satan, warriors, prostitutes and Sodomites. I will post ANY exception which no one will post.

Satan is Saturn whose Chaldee number is 666. God commanded the Israelites to REST on that day and restricted travel so that they could NOT attend the usual Canaanite Baalism rituals of Star Worship to which God ABANDONED Israel when they demanded a king like the nations so that they could WORSHIP like the nations. REST never meant WORSHIP other than in Paul's ONLY worship concept which means to GIVE ATTENDANCE to the Word of God using the words for SPEAK which excludes the POETIC lies of the rhetoricians and EXCLUDES all forms of Music.

If you DO SABBATH worship you are MARKED as still under the CURSE of the Law which legislated for the Lawless now ABANDONED to what you PLAN to do on the Sabbath.

YOU ARE HERE in the Agora or Kuklos or Circus from which we get CHURCH named after Circe the Holy Whore of John's Revelation.

THIS IS THE MEANING OF PSALLO used to force you FROM the ekklesia into the MARKET-PLACE ruled by Apollyon.



EVEN IF YOU ARE DRIVEN TO THE EKKLESIA BY CIVIL AND NON-POLLUTED AUTHORITIES YOU ARE MARKED BY THE RED DEFILING PAINT OF THE PSALLO ROPE: IF YOU REFUSED TO GO THE AUTHORITIES (GOD) WOULD HURT YOU.

Don't doubt it one second: Jesus spoke in parables to HIDE the truth from those who CORRUPT the Word which means "sell learning at retail" and also means "adultery." Surely, you can find a group which does not DELIBERATELY pervert ALL of the Words of God.

Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels LIKE DUNG using the same concept applied to "playing the flute, stealing your inheritance, polluting, prostitute as as LUCIFER CAST OUT OF HEAVEN. That is where you are: Jesus has visited TO REMOVE the candlesticks of the Seven Spirits of God related to knowledge which are NOT little people small enough to fit into the preacherling's body.

ON THE DIRECTLY COMMANDED SIDE OF THE PSALLO PARABLE USED TO FOOL THE FOOLS.

The EKKLESIA was for those with TRUTH to speak and any singer or musician would have been BOOTED.

FINALLY, brethren, pray for us,
that the WORD of the Lord
may have free course, and be GLORIFIED, even as it is with you: 2 Th 3:1


Paul's ONLY worship concept is to GIVE HEED to the Word or Sprit and Life from God in Christ.
You have fallen under the CURSE of people who profit by telling you that the WORDS of Christ are OBSOLETE.
This REJECTION of the WORD is defined by Paul in Hebrews 6 as AN UNFORGIVEABLE SIN.
Only those who REJECTED the Word as at Mount Sinai defined in Romans 6 are turned over
to worship the false gods and the wine, women and music is the MARK and the PRODUCER of
beyond redemption sexual perversion. If you sing and dance when they PIPE then you are
initiated into the New Wineskin Worship where MUSIC always meant PERVERSION.

And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked [Degenerate] men: for all men have not faith. 2 Thess 3:2
But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and KEEP you from evil. 2 Thess 3: 3

Now we COMMAND you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that ye WITHDRAW yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly,
and NOT after the tradition [transmission] which he received of us. 2 Thess 3: 6

For yourselves know how ye ought (obligated) to follow us:
for we behaved not ourselves disorderly [insubordinate] among you; 2 Thess 3: 7
Neither did we eat any mans bread for nought;
but wrought with labour and travail night and day,
that we might not be chargeable to any of you: 2 Thess 3: 8


This is POSITIVE PROOF that the church had not OFFICE of a preacher as a DOMINANT PASTOR who has obviously cowed the "elders" who may find themselves in a DOLLAR bind: that is the PLANNED timing of introducing music in the Purpose Driven Cult. Because there is NO LAW OF GIVING you HAD a trust-based-contract. They are required to obey Paul's command to the churches and HONOR the Word. Therefore, because the CONTRACT OF TRUST has been broken, you should not be the ENABLERS of a massive perversion of the truth and sowing of discord which is included in things God HATES.

I am going to pause: you have the Word of God and you have that "decision of Biblical proportion" to make. If you follow those who ABUSE you and EAT UP the living of widows and then DIVERT their love gifts to CONSTRUCT what John Prophesied as the worship of the Mother of Harlots where Apollo's agents USES music and musicians whom John called Sorcerers, that WILL mark you just as those who fell into Musical Idolatry at Mount Sinai were MARKED so that the Levites had no trouble picking out those to be PRUNED from Gods fold.

According to all of the musical passages and The Book of Enoch when you are MARKED you will never remove it. Being BLIND will not excuse you for following the BLIND: you have PROCURED your blindness at a High weekly Ticket Cost.

Jesus sent me to witness and not to whine with you when you are forced to make that choice between FAMILY and approving of INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC.

 
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What Happened at the Madison Church of Christ?


There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least you will recognize the signs early on.

Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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