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“DESTRUCTIVE EPIDEMICS”

July 22 2007 at 10:31 AM
John Waddey  (no login)
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Subject: [fortify_your_faith] A Lesson to Fortify Your Faith - 7/21/07


DESTRUCTIVE EPIDEMICS

Dear Friends in Christ:

These weekly lessons are one aspect of our efforts to counter the destructive Change Movement that is doing great harm to the Lord's church. In addition, we maintain a web-site at www.christianity-then-and-now.com; we issue Christianity: Then & Now, a small monthly publication; we have prepared a number of books addressing the matter; and we conduct an extensive correspondence in defense of the church. As sunlight dispels darkness, so truth will dispel error. We need your prayers and participation to sustain and enlarge these efforts. The first thing you can do is to forward these lessons to other Christians in your email address book. Make copies to distribute to folks where you worship. Solomon said, "a threefold cord is not easily broken" (Eccle. 4:12).

— John Waddey


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    DESTRUCTIVE EPIDEMICS


    Our generation is keenly aware of the meaning of "epidemic." The destructive power of epidemics has been demonstrated by the AIDS virus that has brought death to hundreds of thousands. As this epidemic has swept around the world, it has reminded us of the causes, progress and end results of such plagues.

    First there is the infection and incubation. Then the Human Immunodeficiency Virus infection appears, followed by the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. There is the fitful struggle as the body seeks to escape the clutches of the disease. Then comes death. Hundreds of thousands of graves proclaim the importance of understanding this plague and the need to avoid situations where it might be contracted.

    This sad story is remarkably similar to an epidemic now sweeping through the churches of Christ. It has been given the label of "Change Movement." Certain identifiable factors leave people vulnerable to this virus of change. Most prominent among them are man's ancient and universal tendency toward pride, arrogance and rebellion against the authority of God and the standards set by Him.

    Another is the acceptance of a new world-view as a basis for life's decisions and a new way of interpreting the Word of God. This world-view is call Postmodernism. While only recently has it come to dominate our society, many of its integral parts have been around a century or more. Among its fatal factors are its teachings that all truth is relative, that there are no absolute moral or spiritual truths, and that decisions are best made subjectively rather than by some objective standard. Thus, per this doctrine man, not God, is the final determiner of truth. This false system now is dominate in secular schools of higher learning and in some of the seminaries where preachers seek higher education. Like some vile disease, this system has spread into some of our schools and congregations; brought back by teachers and preachers who were infected in their pursuit of advanced education.

    When the deadly virus of change sets in, it breaks down and destroys respect for the standards set forth by Christ, the founder of the church (Matt. 16:18). The boundaries he set for his people are trampled down as the people rush toward forbidden pastures.

    Symptoms of those infected with the change virus are loss of humility and worldly pride (I Tim. 3:6). Victims find it difficult to process and understand simple instructions. They have trouble obeying rules. Those infected eventually come to despise Christ's church. They no longer want to wear his name or be identified with his people. They seek aid, comfort and pleasure with other religious bodies. They depart from the faith (I Tim. 4:1-4). They turn away from the holy commandments delivered unto them (II Pet. 2:21). With spirits wasted by their destructive disease, they wander off and eventually die spiritually.

    Some of the victims of this infection, (primarily preachers and professors), have knowingly embraced it and have only themselves to blame for their condition. However, many others, namely students in Christian Schools and members of congregations where such carriers preach, are unaware of the danger they are exposed to. They suffer because of the deceitful work of their spiritual teachers (Rom. 16:17-18). It is for them that we pursue this Christianity: Then and Now project. Hopefully we can immunize many before they are exposed to this disease and thus save them from the deadly infection.


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    For more information on the Change Movement visit http://www.christianity-then-and-now.com.

    — John Waddey


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John Waddey, Editor
Christianity: Then and Now

E-Mail: johnwaddey@aol.com

 
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DESIRE IS OFTEN THE MOTHER OF THE NEW INTERPRETATION

February 23 2008, 3:31 PM 

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Subject: A Lesson to Fortify Your Faith - 02/23/2008


DESIRE IS OFTEN THE MOTHER OF THE NEW INTERPRETATION

Dear Fellow-Servants of Christ:

Today we examine what the change agents like to call the need for a "new hermeneutic" or method of interpreting God's Word. What they propose and practice is not really new, it is as old as denominationalism. If this lesson is helpful to you, please forward it to other saints in your email address book.

— John Waddey


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    DESIRE IS OFTEN THE MOTHER OF THE NEW INTERPRETATION



    All have heard the old saying, "Necessity is the mother of invention." Its truthfulness is demonstrated daily. There is a religious variation of this proverb. "Desire is often the mother of new interpretations."

    Our Protestant neighbors greatly desire salvation without baptism. Faced with the several verses that clearly link salvation and baptism, what can they do? They interpret all the verses that link faith with salvation and pronounce that the Bible teaches salvation by faith alone. Some desire to have their infants baptized. Finding nothing in the New Testament about infant baptism, they discover the Hebrew ordinance for circumcising baby boys. Noting that the surgery made them members of the covenant nation, they conclude the New Testament must teach infant baptism. Then they discover that Lydia was baptized and all that were in her household (Acts 16:15) and voila they interpret that to mean babies were baptized. They are free to proceed as they wished.

    There was a time when any man who preached among churches of Christ understood this and exposed those who used this faulty method for their distortion of God's Word. Now a generation of exegetes have arisen among us who, because of faulty training, are using this same discredited method to achieve the approval they seek for their doctrine, worship and congregational activities. They need authority for such things as women in church leadership roles, instrumental music, infant dedication, interpretative dancing in worship and similar practices. These things they desire to have, but no authority is found for them in the New Testament of Christ. Refusing to accept that as the final word (Matt. 28:20), they search the Old Testament and find just what they are looking for. But there stands Colossians 2:14 as an impediment to their desires. Paul says that Christ blotted out" the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross...Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in a new moon or a sabbath day...." (2:14-16). Not to be deterred, they reinterpret the passage to mean that Christ merely took away our condemnation, nailing it to the cross. Now they can claim those verses from the Hebrew Scriptures and offer them as justification for their innovations.

    The desire to be free to add anything they wish to the worship of the church drives them to deny the oft repeated principle that God's silence is prohibitive. It is respect for that principle that caused our brethren to reject instrumental music, choirs, solos, communion on other days than the first day and a host of other practices of denominational bodies. Positively stated, we must "not go beyond that which is written" (I Cor. 4:6 ASV). The example is seen in Hebrews 7:13-14. There, the writer notes that since the priesthood was reserved to Aaron's sons, of the tribe of Levi, and since Moses said nothing about men of Judah serving as priests, there had to be a change of the law before Christ could be our High Priest. Other citations commonly given are the cases of Nadab and Abihu (Lev. 10:1-4) and Noah's instructions for building the ark (Gen. 6:14-17). We now see our promoters of change laboring long and hard to find a new way to interpret God's Word that will eliminate the idea of a law of prohibitive silence.

    Wishing to preach new and different doctrines and yet remain among Churches of Christ, change agents labor to find a new meaning to II John 9 which says, "Whosoever goeth onward and abideth not in the teaching of Christ hath not God..." After much hard labor they bring forth a new interpretation, "Behold, it means the teaching about the divinity of Christ." Now they can teach and do as they wish and this verse cannot be used to reprove them.

    To escape the binding authority of the New Testament of Christ, these brethren have employed their exegetical skills and concluded that the New Testament is not the law of Christ. It is a love letter from the husband to his bride. The epistles are friendly letters to churches, but not to be considered as of binding authority. It is hard to do, but their system allows them to neutralize those many verses that speak of the law of Christ (Rom. 8:2; Gal. 6:3; Jas. 1:25; I John 3:4, etc.).

    Desiring to be accepted by their local ministerial alliance and their Evangelical theological peers, these brothers have had to reinterpret the role of baptism in salvation. Since our religious neighbors flatly reject the idea that baptism is necessary to salvation and since they tend to scorn those who think it is necessary, the masters of creative hermeneutics have restudied the matter and concluded that baptism is a declaration or testimony of one’s salvation. So much for Acts 2:38 and 22:16.

    Thus is fulfilled the saying, "Desire is mother of the new interpretation."


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    John Waddey, Editor
    Christianity: Then and Now

    E-Mail: johnwaddey@aol.com

 
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Stan Cook
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More Destructive Epidemics

February 26 2008, 6:45 AM 

There are destructive epidemics facing the church that are much worse than the "Change Movement".

What about elders, preachers and members who are not morally what Christ calls us to be?

There's a serious problem even among conservative preachers (and elders) with internet pornography. This has resulted in adultery and the destruction of families.

We need to get our focus off the "issues" that we think are issues, and deal with the real issues at hand. Otherwise, we become like the Pharisees, with cleaned up doctrines and messed up morals. Before we judge the service and worship of others, maybe we need to ask ourselves "am I living the holy life that God has called me to live?" Personally, I have enough work to do keeping my own backyard clean without having to take on the lives of others.

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: More Destructive Epidemics

February 26 2008, 5:44 PM 

If the American colonists had all whined that they had enough work to do defending themselves against hostile Native Americans without having to take on a war against the British, we would never have gained our independence from England.

If the Allied Forces had all whined that they had enough work to do cleaning up the ravages of Pearl Harbor without having to take on a war against the Axis Powers in Europe, they would never have subdued Hitler and his minions.

If Christians whine that they have enough work to do keeping their own backyards clean without having to be ever-vigilant for the Church, they as much as open the doors and say to the vicious change agents waiting outside, "Please come in, freely destroy the Church that Christ founded 2,000 years ago, and change it into another unscriptural denomination."

Christ never did say that being a Christian would be easy.


 
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Jimmy Joe
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Re: Re: Destructive Epidemics

February 27 2008, 12:59 AM 

Dr. Crump's analogies seem to be all about war. I'm not sure if I'm reading a Christian writer or a fanatical Musilm terrioist. Comparing church conflicts and problems with wars that killed millions and using the adjective vicious to describe the change agents seems like overkill (pun intended). It amazes me how so-called Christians can be so full of bitterness, guile and fear because everyone doesn't believe "exactly" as they do. Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Waiting for the rebuttal.

 
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Stan Cook
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Watchdogs Should Watch Themselves

February 27 2008, 6:08 PM 

Jimmy Joe (no login)
Posted Feb 27, 2008 12:59 AM

Dr. Crump's analogies seem to be all about war. I'm not sure if I'm reading a Christian writer or a fanatical Musilm terrioist. Comparing church conflicts and problems with wars that killed millions and using the adjective vicious to describe the change agents seems like overkill (pun intended). It amazes me how so-called Christians can be so full of bitterness, guile and fear because everyone doesn't believe "exactly" as they do. Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Waiting for the rebuttal.


Jimmy,
I like your post. The real battle that we're all battling is within our own hearts and that's what I meant by dealing with my own backyard. There would be less "worship wars" and "church battles" if we took inventory of our own hearts. The Apostle Paul even wrote of this personal inward battle between the flesh and the spirit. What never ceases to amaze me is that some of the "watchdogs of the brotherhood" don't all have clean moral records. I think some of these people try to focus all the attention on the so-called "liberals" so that people won't scrutinize their morals, marriages and ethics. They're like the bad cops who arrest drug users and then keep some of the drugs for their own use.

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Watchdogs Should Watch Themselves

February 28 2008, 1:34 AM 

The constant battle to keep our own lives clean is a type of war against evil forces. As we strove in physical battles to combat despots and tyrants, it is just as much a type of spiritual war to keep the Church free from change agents who would pollute it with denominational changes that conflict with New Testament teachings. The Church of Christ must not become another unscriptural denomination.

Paul the apostle urges us to fight the good fight of faith (1 Tim. 6:12) and that he had fought a good fight (2 Tim. 4:7). Was Paul some kind of war-crazed terrorist, because he mentions "fight"? I hardly think so.

And Jude also tells us:

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ" (Jude 1:3-4 KJV).

Was Jude some kind of war-crazed terrorist, because he mentions "contend" (meaning to strive, fight for)? I hardly think so.

We must earnestly contend for the faith.



 
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TMP
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A matter of perspective

February 28 2008, 9:34 PM 


Dr. Bill,

The problem I have with you and others on this site is the battlefront you chose to have. Here you give the common reference to Jude: "ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ" Are you saying that if someone believes that instrumental music is not a salvation issue is turning the grace of God into lasciviousness? Do you have any evidence that Rubel, Max or others have denied that Jesus died on the cross and is our saviour? Unless you mean one or the other, you are taking this scripture out of context. We look at what Jesus condemns about the early church in Revelations. Don't remember a passage about his disapproval of the order of worship in Corinth.

There is so much wrong with our churches, but instead of getting angry about the divorce rate is no better than those who don't go to church, or that over 1 in 3 males in the church are addicted to pornography, or the number of children born out of wedlock, that nearly half the world survives on less than $2 a day, that we are slave to our finances, or gluttons, or prideful, we'd rather gossip about the poor liberal or conservative that goes to the church we split from. I'd rather be fighting about things that are commanded like love your brother and take care of orphans and widows than things we have to necessarily infer, whatever than means.

The Devil is a roaring lion seeking those he can devour...but instead of fighting for the souls he is consuming, we'd rather fight among ourselves. A more appropriate war analogy than the ones you provided would be if on D-Day as the soldiers on the ships approaching the coast at Normandy started a fight among themselves because one thought the second was holding his rifle incorrectly.

I know I am writing to deaf ears...so I don't expect a real answer from you...but I wish you would gain some perspective about what the real battle with Satan is over.



 
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Stan Cook
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Amen, TMP

February 29 2008, 1:52 AM 

TMP,
Amen and amen! You said so much that needs to be said. Isn't it sad that there's much more negative in this forum than inspired writers ever put in the Bible?! Sure, Paul dealt with some false teachings, but not nearly as much as we see here and in the "Watchdog Publications" like "Christianity Now And Then", "Contentious For the Faith" and others. I've noticed that Mr. Waddey hasn't yet replied to my comments about the moral issues facing the church.

 
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billthall
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Not quite so

March 2 2008, 3:26 AM 

Paul was explicit about his teaching -- Jesus died and resurrected for our sins. His epistles to some of the churches are full of "corrective" teaching, especially to Corinth. Not teaching anything new, but trying to bring them back to the simplicity of teaching the mystery of Christ.

So maybe not so much false teaching, as marginal, irrelevant, and downright weird stuff (baptism for the dead) that we do not understand. So he calms down those who would interrupt, one song another song, raucous Lord's supper, one might say disorderly "praise services", in order to get us to focus on the higher things.


 
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Dave
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Re: A matter of perspective

March 18 2008, 9:36 PM 

Thank you TMP!
Hitting the nail on the head.
....and yes.....they are deaf, but at least you said it, and they read it.
They will gnash and grind the teeth and make ready for a rebuttal...based on a consuming desire to back their long and dear traditions.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: “DESTRUCTIVE EPIDEMICS”

March 19 2008, 5:03 PM 

For the life of me I cannot grasp why people are so anxious to defend men who set out to sow discord among peaceable churches, and who have no trouble lying about every hint they can find about an "instrument" used by that nation abandoned to worship the Starry host. At the bottom of the ethics pool is to mount a hate war against those who continue to teach what their churches have always taught as they were collecting those who agreed with them





 
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