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Re: Tulsa Workshop lineup of liars about instruments

May 23 2009, 7:41 PM 


But if a god, as is said, has no body, and cannot be touched at all, how is it possible that that which has no body should be nourished by things pertaining to the body,-that what is mortal should support what is immortal, and assist and give vitality to that which it cannot touch? This reason for sacrifices is not valid, therefore, as it seems; nor can it be said by any one that sacrifices are kept up for this reason, that the deities are nourished by them, and supported by feeding on them.

4. If perchance it is not this, Note 22 are victims not slain in sacrifice to the gods, and cast upon their flaming altars to give them 23 some pleasure and delight?

And can any man persuade himself that the gods become mild as they are exhilarated by pleasures, that they long for sensual enjoyment, and, like some base creatures, are affected by agreeable sensations, and charmed and tickled for the moment by 24 a pleasantness which soon passes away?

John Mark Hicks and the LU Credo:

......Several features characterize the fellowship meals of Israel.
......First, it is a moment of communion between God and his people.

...........God eats with his people as the fat is burned to him.
........... God is present at this meal. It is eaten before the Lord as if God sits at the table with the worshipper.

No, because God had turned them over to worship the STARRY HOST and SERPENTS at the temple, the "god" was called Baal-Zebul or god of the flies. The demons hoovered around wanting to get their fill of blood and gore so the NOISE never called MUSIC was exorcism: to call DOWN the good demons and drive OUT the bad demons: that is EXACTLY what people ar doing today.

The Jews had such a meal and PLAY at Mount Sinai and it is called musical idolatry of a trinity and for that God REMOVED all Grace and turned them over to the gods worshipped by John Mark Hicks and the LU CROWD. You will remember that in 2008 they were promoting SPIRITUAL FORMATION which is clearly defined by Randy Harris in terms of WITCHCRAFT.

......"a time for sharing, prayer and conversation about what God has done for us... (p. 188).

...........Earlier he calls it a "Jubilee festival" (p. 63).
........... He would have it observed with "resounding jubilation or enthusiastic outbursts" (p. 97).

But Paul says that the Lord's Supper is an act of EVANGELISM: showing forth the DEATH of Christ. Now, maybe the Lipscomb Crowd wants to eat and JUBILATE instead of let Christ be EVANGELIZED then it is true as Jesus says: "Doctors of the Law take away the key to knowledge." ALL musical words carry the SORCERY concept which ONLY works on the lowest, most ignorant says history. But, God says:

......If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. Psa 50:12
.......Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? Psa 50:13

......Trinity as Necessary Fact in Alexander Campbells Christian System of Facts" Since the Lipscomb and Hicks view is that God is a FAMILY then they probably hold a POTLUCK.

Note 22 The heathen opponent is supposed to give up his first reason, that the sacrifices provided food for the gods, and to advance this new suggestion, that they were intended for their gratification merely.
Note 23 Lit., "for the sake of."
Note24 Lit., "with the fleeting tickling of."

......You strum away on your harps like David and
......improvise on musical instruments.
......who excel in the sound of musical instruments; Amos 6:5

......they have regarded them as abiding,
......not as fleeting pleasure." Amos 6:5 LXX

......The mirth of timbrels has ceased,
......the sound of the harp has ceased. Isaiah 24:8 LXX

......They are ashamed they have not drunk wine;
......strong drink has become bitter to them that drink of it. Isa 24:9 LXX

......No longer do they drink wine with a song;
......the beer is bitter to its drinkers. -- Isa 24:9 (NIV)

For that which is overcome by pleasure must be harassed by its opposite, sorrow; nor can that be free from the anxiety of grief, which trembles with joy, and is elated capriciously with gladness. 25 But the gods should be free from both passions, if we would have them to be everlasting, and freed from the weakness of mortals.

25 Lit., "with the levities of gladnesses.

Moreover, every pleasure is, as it were, a kind of flattery of the body, and is addressed to the five well-known senses; but if the gods above feel it, 26 they must partake also of those bodies through which there is a way to the senses, and a door by which to receive pleasures.

26 i.e., pleasure.

Lastly, what pleasure is it to take delight in the slaughter of harmless creatures, to have the ears ringing often with their piteous bellowings, to see rivers of blood, the life fleeing away with the blood, and the secret parts having been laid open, not only the intestines to protrude with the excrements, but also the heart still bounding with the life left in it, and the trembling, palpitating veins in the viscera?

The MEANING of exorcism music was to "make the lambs voice NOT HEART during the slaughter: Jesus was musically mocked the same way so EVEN NOT people want to JUBILATE so they cannot hear the WORDS of Christ.

We half-savage men, nay rather,-to say with more candour what it is truer and more candid to say,-we savages, whom unhappy necessity and bad habit have trained to take these as food, are sometimes moved with pity for them; we ourselves accuse and condemn ourselves when the thing is seen and looked into thoroughly,

because, neglecting the law which is binding on men,
we have broken through the bonds which naturally united us at the beginning. 27

27 Naturalis initii consortia.

Be sure to eat, drink and make Mary or Harry in the moring because Paul in romans 10 and 1 Corinthians 10 warned about the Red Sea Musical Idolatry and called it DEMON WORSHIP.

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Ken Sublett
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Milk is still milk if you add arsenic!

June 3 2009, 11:23 AM 

I agree that singing, even when reading words from a song book, is still singing. But, you have not convinced me that singing, even when accompanied by musical instruments, isnt still singing; even if you claim it is an entirely different activity. By the way, how does singing become something other than singing when an instrument accompanies it?

The command is to SPEAK that which is written: Speak is the opposite of poetry or music. People "set their lies to melodies to deceive the simple minded." Because the sole purpose is to TEACH THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN, the gift of A holy spirit would prevent people from MAKING NOISE while the WORD of Christ (Col 3) or Spirit (Eph 5) or "that whichis written" (Rom 15) is being dispense.

Singing as in performing the ACT of singing and singing Twila Paris or Fanny Crosby violates direct comands and approved examples for ANYONE assembled to TEACH the word of God. Adding instrumental (machines for doing hard work) SOUND to the vocal sounds makes into something DIFFERENT. You cease to SING and become part of the MACHINE and your TEACHING role is DESTROYED: music means to "make the victim's message dumb." Music intends to "make the LAMB dumb before the slaugher." That was what they DID to Jesus momentarily as a SIGN of fulfilled prophecy.

The assembly is the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Chrsit in the wilderness: it was for the civillians.
1. The command was to REST from the laded burden: a burden in Greek and Hebrew is singing to arouse the flesh.
2. The command was to READ the Word of God where the synagogue would be small groups in their own area: work outlawed "sending out ministers of God." You don't NEED ministers when you PREACH Moses by READING Moses.
3. The command was to rehearse or discuss the Word of God--ONLY

By the direct command of Christ that EXCLUDED vocal or instrumental rejoicing.

That was the synagogue or SCHOOL OF THE WORD which existed throughout the Old Testament.
That was appoved by Jesus by attending Synagogue, standing up to READ and SITTING down for discussion.
The sacrificial system was ABANDONED to worship the starry host and was a virtual slaughter of their "gods" and was quarantined BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. No one NOT of the tribe of Levi could be INSIDE the walls and Jacob warned you NOT to attend the assemblies of LEVI. This was the old Egyptian/Babylonian worship of the STARS to which God ABANDONED the Levi's BECAUSE of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

SPEAK one to another is what you do in the AUDIBLE world: that is what even Simple Simon knows to do when he attends SCHOOL.
SingING and makING are INAUDIBLE or in the PLACE of the human spirit directed to God: God is not deaf.

If YOU are hired to tell people how to EXCAPE a BURNING SHIP, your method of instruction is to SPEAK.
If some effems get up sing, clap with or without instruments you KNOW that they want you to BURN with the SHIP.
That is why speakers, singers and instrument players are called SORCERERS working for the Babylon mother of harlots who wants YOU to keep HER company while SHE burns.

That is why from Genesis to Revelation wind, string and percussion instruments are the WARNING MARKS of Satan. He/she/it wants to STEAL the worship for herself (Lucifer or ZOE).

The PURPOSE is to TEACH, praise God, comfort with SCRIPTURE and prevent discord (Rev 15).

Christ in the Wilderness OUTLAWED vocal or instrumental rejoicing during SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE.
No Jew ever "sang congregationally with or without instruments" which make noise.
Christ CONFIRMED the synagogue as a place to READ and DISCUSS the Word opf God.
Paul outlawed singing if you can define the concept of SELF-PLEASURE.
No one misunderstood that EVER NEVER. However, singing as an ACT was imposed after Constantine let the pagan priests into the church: the Catholic Encyclopedia says that MUSIC was added because it was COMMON to all PAGAN CULTS. That was in 373 in just a few temples taken over by the Catholics.

However, not even the Catholics fell into CONGREGATIONAL SINGING with INSTRUMENTAL ACCOMPANIMENT.
After the Reformation you could not OBEY the direct command to use the BIBLICAL TEXT and SING because none of it is METRICAL. Therefore, the protestants ADDED congregational singing AFTER radically recomposing the Psalms (only) to make singing POSSIBLE.

When the Father (within the Son) delivered Spirit (breath) it was WITHOUT METER. That becomes a MARK that when you "turn the word of God into songs" you are doing what Jesus accused the Pharisees and Scribes of doing so that they could be HYPOCRITES. The same Spirit of Christ identified the hypocrites as performance speakers, singers and instrument players.

The Greek language identifies a HYPOCRITE of the first order as rhetoricians or what the preacher does when he scrambles the Words of God and makes an omlet so YOU will pay him for "making the voice of the victim silent."

A HYPOCRITE is secondly a SINGER where all of the VOCAL SINGING words were the vocation of the MYTH MONGERS who were NOT permitted in Athenian Law to write TRUE HISTORY. Old Wives tales or fables are composed by religious composers who are primarily females or effeminate "ruling over you" by supplying the music.

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Lisa James
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Tulsa Workshop

July 5 2009, 2:15 PM 

Wow! I may have to attend the Tulsa workshop next year. If you guys hate it that much, it must have been good. Thanks for the tip!

By the way, y'all can argue all you want about "salvation issues", and keep driving people away from Christ instead of closer to him. In the end, you are only hurting yourselves, because GOD is the one who decides what IS and IS NOT a salvation issue. You may think right now that you're pretty smart;but God will judge you by these hateful emails and posts.Don't think just because you are on the internet God doesn't know what you are saying.YOU WILL BE JUDGED according to your actions and words on this website. I pray God will show you mercy and grace that you have not extended to others on the website and that he will have mercy on your souls. Think about this the next time you are berating someone because they live their lives according to grace, and not law.



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Ken Sublett
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Don't ever go: adding to the Word is MOCKING Jesus.

July 7 2009, 1:03 PM 

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not:
......for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me,
......and receiveth not my words,
......hath one that judgeth him:
......the word that I have spoken,
......the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him,
......If a man love me, he will keep my words:
......and my Father will love him,
......and we will come unto him,
......and make our abode with him.

People who think that they can ENHANCE the Word of God always believe that they "hear beyond the sacred page." That gives them a right to get PAID for that which Jesus already PAID for. The church is a school of the Bible: the direct commands are to teach that which is written. Therefore, going to Tulsa to learn how to use the theatrical arts is doing what is outlawed for that assembly or synagogue of Christ.

1John 1:1 That which was from the beginning,
......which we have heard,
......which we have seen with our eyes,
......which we have looked upon,
...... and our hands have handled,
............of the Word of life;

......John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
......t he words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1John 1:2 (For the life was manifested,
......and we have seen it,
......and bear witness,
......and shew unto you that eternal life,
......which was with the Father,
......and was manifested unto us;)

Don't ever PAY to hear the Words of Christ where people use the HYPOCRITIC arts: John called the speakers, singers and instrument players SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world. Don't let it happen to you.

Jesus pointed to the prophets to label Scribes and Pharisees hypocrites: He pointed to performance speakers for hire, singers and instrument players. Jesus used the instrument as a MARK of people who had no interest in the Word of God. Tulsa is about PERFORMANCE and they DO lie about all of the "music" terms trying to IMPOSE that which God IMPOSED on the Jews as a curse.

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Thanks Lisa James

April 15 2010, 8:55 AM 

You hit the nail on the head. Direct hit. You have to remember too that Ken Sublett screeches about the Word being the final Judge....and then approves of the book of Enoch.....which isn't even a part of the Word.
We need not to worry about these men who compel themselves to be above the Word. They believe themselves to be the only ones who can read and understand the Word of God. They want to be the little popes of the church. Ken speaks of letting the Word speak for Itself, yet, he wants to be the final interpreter.
Like you said Lisa, about the Tulsa workshop, if these men condemn might be worth checking out.

Hey Ken, you still feel like God doesn't know what He is doing when He gave us the present day 66 books, so you want to add to the Word of God.....with Enoch?
Hope you have a bit of a tough'll need it when people ignore you because you THINK you know everything.
Thank you again Lisa.

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Ken Sublett
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Challenged about Tulsa.

April 14 2010, 6:24 PM 

Why would a group invite someone who spent 12 years intentionally "boiling the frogs" to convert a Church of Christ first into the use of a "musical worship team" which is both heresy and a gender glitch and split the church; said that he would never introduce instruments. Rick was "borned" in the Christian Church and that was his agenda HIDDEN from his enablers. Then he did introduce instruments which took 12 years even by twisting about all known facts. You MUST agree that this PROVES and ENDORSES instrumental music (as Wade agrees) and that those who PARTICIPATED were all in agreement and are part of a SECTARIAN group they call "progressive" -- all the way back to Nimrod's musical worship team.

The TULSA WORKSHOP was populated by people active in confiscating churches of Christ for the INSTRUMENTAL group under the management of the NACC. David Faust, then President of the NACC, travelled the UNITY meetings but then presented his full "white paper" full of black lies defending instruments. I hate to tell these guys but ALL of their proof examples using PSALLO as justification for sowing discord are by older males plucking the harp to seduce younger males: that was the wrath or ORGE Paul warned about if the women (or effeminate males) waved unholy arms.

Apparently all you need to get on the program is to deliberately misteach or be STRONGLY DELUDED for having rejected all of the Word of God. The MARK of strong delusions is exactly the musical performance with or without instruments. The PRAISE GROUPS are defacto instrumental: ACappella is a steal word to fool the foolish who know that "a cappella" identifies the castrated opra "musical worship team" the Pope infiltrated into the Sistine Chapel where no instruments were permitted in the Pope's presence. So, ACappella is a "legalistic end run" as a way to ge the effeminate -- always emasculated -- praise singers which Paul identified as DOGS and excluded from worship IN THE SPIRIT. What they do is called Body Worship and is outlawed and ALWAYS marked as appealing to the gender-confused. What they were doing was stroking all of your nerve endings (all) to make you "feel something" which the most ignorant simple simon knew what science knows: it shuts down your logical (Logos) or rational mind and PREVENTS you from being able to distinguish that people like Al Maxey is spreading hate and utterly Bible illiteracy.

Cappella is a he-goat but looks and bleets like a she goat. In the Nadab and Abihu fall from grace the STRANGE has lots of meaning. As a result God imposed the scape-goat or sacrifice to Azazel: Azazel is the name of Satan who taught the youth how to make choirs and instruments to seduce people away from the Living God. In Revelation, the sorcerers or "pharmakea" of speakers, singers and instrument players are called 'scape goats' and they lead the sorcerers (musicians) into the fire pits as Christ in Isaiah 30 promised. Hezekiah used by Rick Atchley to say that the spirit or somehting told him GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and almost as a threat continued AND WE SHOULD NOT BE DISOBEDIENT. Christ Who wrote the Spiritual thread in the prophets said that GOD had not commanded burnt offerings or sacrifices. Therefore, whatever name they use for "god" that of the Israelites in the sacrificial system was of the "starry host" including Molech from whence the Levites--an old cult in Egypt--got the idea of burnt goats for Israel which had gone fully INSTRUMENTAL.

Keith Lancaster Praise and Worship
Chris Lindsey / Sean Algair Praise & Worshjip.
Shane Coffman Praise & Worship

The UNIQUE worship word of for the church is to "give heed to the Words of Christ" in the prophets and apostles: therefore, you could NOT have been worshiping the true God.

The Direct command to glorify or praise God (Rom 15) is to use one mind and one mouth using "that which is written" (for our education). Praise teams violate the direct command for RESOURCE and PRESENTATION method: this is outlawed by the terms "laded burden" and "Rest" used by Jesus and outlawing "doubtful disputations" or your own opinions (Romans 14). In Romans 15 he outlawed "self pleasure" which is specificially all of the musical or performing arts which DESTROY the learning process and SUBSTITUTE that which can only come from the Devil who "speaks on his own" says Jesus

All of these are ratically outlawed by Christ for the church in the wilderness, all of the approved examples, the history of the church and minimal common reverence IF you understand the meaning of ekklesia or synagogue.

Randy Harris: not so much a false teacher as Biblically illiterate. Promoter of Spiritual Formation which is witchery by any standard.

Josh Graves: Instrumental Music in his church. "Worship Team" the ZOE group another name for Lucifer.
False understanding of the Holy Spirit
Patrick Mead Instrumental music in his church. Absolutely Ignorant of the Bible. Therefore Lies about it all.

Part Two


Rick Atchley twisted all of the Bible, cheated and stole the church house of widows, sowed discord, to introduce instruments after promisiing that he would not.

""The prodigal son" guarantees that He lied about instrumental music. This is a favorite proof text for instruments in church.

Rick Atchley's 12 year frog boiling plan telegraphed for everyone but his supporters

TERRY RUSH: promotes instrumental music and is ignorant of the Bible and Christian ethics.

Al Maxey "from slavery to freedom." The arch RACA hate monger against anyone who refused to ADMIT that instrumental music is the godly thing to use. Terminally ignorant of the Bible and TWISTS all of the "music:" passages worse than any anti-Christ in history

Al Maxey "From Law to grace": it too ignorant to confess that the rationale and PATTERNISM for instrumental music is slurped up from Israel being turned over to musically worship the starry host BECAUSE of musical idolatry. Music to all simple simons was to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter, the enemy flee in panic or the "John" cough up extra money for the male or female prostitute.

Al Maxey "From faction to Family."
Al Maxey From Faction to Family: another RACA attack agaist the TARGET of Tulsa

I have reviewed many of Al's RACA articles which is the RADICAL LEFT'S Contending for The Faithless.

Jeff Walling one of the first to blurt out the instrumental music defense.

You should grasp that this was founded and continues to be an INFILTRATE AND DIVERT movement: while claiming to represent the Church of Christ, they HAND PICK those who have already betrayed their own congregation or who continually gibber HATE crimes against those who will NOT use instruments and will NOT stop teaching what any Simple Simon reader knows by reading Genesis to Revelation and all recorded history which MARKS religious music and musicians with a MARK that will never rub off.

Believe me: no one could INTENTIONALLY be that Ignorant of ALL RECORDED HISTORY. They are either DELUDED and have an UNholy spirit or they are promoting the "carnal weapons" of the principalities and powers in high places.

If you FELT that all of these people were spiritual objects THAT'S the Purpose Driven Goal for all religious music which gets you all pumped up. The sacrificial musicians as Al Maxey and Rick Atchley's PATTERNISM were known by the simpliest people to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." Al's favorite musicians were prophesied to and did musical mock Jesus right up to the foot of the old rugged cross.

They ALL fit the patternism of the musical sectarians.

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Ken Sublett
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Enoch is required reading if you are tempted to listen to false teachers.

April 16 2010, 11:43 AM 

Because UNITY is always the false banner of those trying to MERGE groups which were NEVER built on the same foundation, we will look at John 17 as the favorite twisted Scripture which proves just the OPPOSITE: they don't understand words like WORLD which was invented specificially to define the adornment and music OF the world under the rule of Satan.

For those of the WORLD deliberately blinded by Jesus, they are NOT CALLED or invited to be part of His kingdom and that is why He COLLECTIVIZES them to MARK them by the CARNAL WEAPONS or LIFELESS INSTRUMENTS of the World Ruler. Don't be fooled that they don't USE instruments which would unduly shock the FROGS while they are being boiled: human voices are defacto INSTRUMENTAL and war-like because they are purpose driven.

No one has ever posed UNITY with two groups which were not ever "uninioned" without intending to FORCE people to either CONFORM or CONFIRM that the use of instruments was THE CORRECT role and they will CEASE to teach against instruments under the threat of being called SECTARIAN, even when the Church of Christ never IMPOSED anything which deliberately sowed discord.

We are certain that Jesus sent The Book of Enoch message: no one can be history or Bible literate without reading this book held to be Canonical and quoted (some counts) 128 times in the New Testament.

See the same event in Romans 1 where the music and gay troubador is a MARK.

See some parallels in Jude

While Isaiah 30 is specific in Christ saying that "hell" was prepeared" for those seduced by the wind, string and percussion instruments "Lucifer the singing and harp-playing prostitute" brought into the Garden of Eden. These same instrumentd DRIVE God's enemies into hell with the same instruments.

The musical idolatry at Mount Sinai repeat the PATTERNISM for which God abandoned Israel to worship the starry host. That is why men like Rick Atchley CLAIMS that the "spirit" told him that this curse involving the military instruments marking the Burning of the GOATS (Cappellas) was REALLING telling him that "God commanded instrumental praise" in HIS church and people had better not disobey or question the elders. Fortunate for us, the "lying pen of the Scribes" Jesus marked as hypocrites meaning speaking, singing and playing instruments, is the EVIL SIDE wherease the Prophets by Christ calls them for what they are: robbers and parasites. See the background summary in Terry Rush's review which proves that Christ will NOT let these people read black text on brown paper and has strongly deluded them. That is why all of the music and theatrics is a gender-bleed by the lying wonders being the theatrics.

Teras III. in colloquial language, teras legeis kait haumastonPl.Hp.Ma.283c , cf. Tht.163d; teraslegeis, ei . . Id.Men.91d ; 'a marvel' of a cup, Theoc.1.56: pl., of incredible statements,

Teratourg-eô, A. WORK wonders, pseudôsti Sch.Pi.I.7(6).13.

Pindar Isthmian 7 Odes: [1] In which of the local glories of the past, divinely blessed Thebe, did you most delight your spirit? Was it when you raised to eminence the one seated beside Demeter of the clashing bronze cymbals, flowing-haired [5] Dionysus? Or when you received, as a snow-shower of gold in the middle of the night, the greatest of the gods[20] then begin the victory [Nike: TRIUMPH OVER] procession with a sweet-singing hymn for Strepsiades; for he is the victor in the pancratium at the Isthmus, both awesome in his strength and handsome to look at; and he treats excellence as no worse a possession than beauty. [23] He is made radiant by the violet-haired Muses, and he has given a share in his flowering garland to his uncle and namesake

Wonder is:

Thaumazo (g2296) thou-mad'-zo; from 2295; to wonder; by impl. to admire: - admire, have in admiration, marvel, wonder.

The-ama A. sight, spectacle, of a sight which gives pleasure, OPPOSITE to MATHEMA or "learning" which is the SOLE mark of a true Church of Christ. orchêseis kai theamata

X.Smp.2.2 Xenophon, Symposium II. When the tables had been removed and the guests had poured a libation and sung a hymn, there entered a man from Syracuse, to give them an evening's merriment. He had with him a fine flute-girl, a dancing-girl--one of those skilled in acrobatic tricks,--and a very handsome boy, who was expert at playing the cither and at dancing; the Syracusan made money by exhibiting their performances as a spectacle.

Thema is OPPOSITE to Learning.

Math-êma , atos, to, ( [mathein] )
A. that which is learnt, lesson 2. learning, knowledge

Jeremiah and Isaiah etal make it clear that God did NOT command burnt offerings and sacrifices when He saved them by Grace at the Red Sea.

If you are AWED and PLEASURED by any group PURPOSE DRIVEN to introduce any of what Jesus called the HYPOCRITIC roles in the SCHOOL OF THE WORD, you have been "stung" by the scorpion tail of the locust (muses) who lulled you to sleep with music always tasked to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter.

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Plcbml Riu
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Tears or Fears

April 18 2010, 10:51 PM 

I see you are still given to fits
Bill could never match my wits
I always got under his skin
The scriptures he'd try to spin
To prove his false was true
Failure would turn him blue
His other place got shot down
Now he's hardly around.

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Tears or Fears

April 19 2010, 9:07 AM 

It's amusing and it rhymes. That's about it. I don't foresee it winning a Pulitzer, however. Keep trying! Come to think of it, I once knew a guy who wrote nonsensical poetry like this. He had manic-depressive disorder.

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Ken Sublett
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Couldn't resist

April 19 2010, 5:57 PM 

I once knew a guy named Riu
He had a long nose that just grew
I hear that he is Manic-depressive
I guess that his genes are recessive

Dr. Bill said that he needed attention
In fact, he needed detention.
So, we got him a harp with to sing
But then it was missing G-string

Of course when he joined the band
G strings were as thick as the sand
So he plunked and plinked and fiddled
And that's the end of my riddle:
Burma Shave

The guylings who think that they sing from the "spirit" are the Sophia-Zoe band
are in losing conflict with the Jehovah-Logos band.
That is why the Sophia-Zoe group are the musical sectarians by predestination

See Tim Woodruff who is promoting both. New Wineskins (a Familiar Spirit) has
all of the ANTI-patternists in a self-worship team this month.

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Your Ole Pal
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"He had manic-depressive disorder."

April 20 2010, 3:39 PM 

Very good William Crump. Now, you, a retired pathologist, will diagnose someone having a manic-depressive disorder. Pathology is similar to the study of psychiatry, right?
Anyone ever diagnosed you as being a narcissist?
Just wondering.....

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Anybody see that Servant guy?

April 21 2010, 7:04 PM 

Wasn't he an elder guy who liked instruments?

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An Elder

April 22 2010, 11:48 AM 

An elder who liked instruments?!?!
The nerve of that man!
God Bless him!!!

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: "He had manic-depressive disorder."

April 22 2010, 10:57 AM 

Let's just say that a pathologist is a physician, and all physicians have had training in psychiatry before they can graduate from medical school. So a pathologist is actually more qualified to detect symptoms of manic-depressive disorder (and narcissism) than any lay person who has not earned a medical degree. But of course, we do have all sorts of highly misguided and dangerously disturbed lay folks running around Internet message boards who delude themselves into believing they can diagnose narcissism and other mental quirks in those with whom they disagree.

BTW, YOP, you by any chance didn't write that poem above, did you? You know, the one by "Piu" that resembled a nonsensical poem written by a patient who had actually been diagnosed with manic-depressive disorder? Just wondering.....happy.gif

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Ken Sublett
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Didn't have an inferiority complex: He was just inferior.

April 22 2010, 8:53 PM 

Nice thing about physical disorders you can usually find a pill for it: my body is ok, my mind is ok (to me what counts) but all of my glands gave up.
Rub on testesterone is now affordable thanks to Humana Advantage, but I could take a bath in the stuff and it would not prepare my mind for going to a church to watch the boylings sing and clap. If I did go, I would get one of those "Help! I have fallen and I can't get up." That's the purpose driving the Sophia-Zoe side in conflict with the Jehovah-Logos side. They want you to have a sexual-like experience with the spirit which is just before the last act which is "giving of substance." Heck, when I attended temple in Athens they wanted their substance up front.

Did I remind you that I am working on the concept of the LADED BURDEN Jesus died to remove along with the Burden Lader.

After trying to communicate with two of the New Wineskinners in their PATTERNISM issue, I decided to expand and add some DEEP links for people who haven't lost the reading ability by being musicated and preachercated too long.

I was looking at Matthew 11 where Jesus says like a LOUD TRUMPET (below the hearing range of the deaf) that, NO, I didn't say that you CANNOT sing, clap and gyrate with or without instruments. What I said was that GOD IS HIDING the truth from you. I don't see how you could get a degree (about 212F) from one of the Anti Christ Universities and not know that.

Matt. 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth,
......because thou HID hid these things from the WISE and prudent,
...... and hast revealed them unto babes.

If you want to know anything, the sermonizers and versifiers CANNOT know at whatever level of incompetence they have reached.

Matt. 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Matt. 11:27 All things are delivered
......unto me of my Father:
......and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father;
......neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son,
......and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Before that, Jesus did what Paul most often does: He described the pagan religionism as in Tyre, Sidon, Sodom and Jerusalem as the EVIL SIDE.
Then, He defined THE MEANING OF THE GOSPEL which is:

Matt. 11:28 Come unto me,
......all ye that labour
......and are heavy laden,
......and I will give you rest.
Matt. 11:29 Take my yoke upon you,
......and learn of me;
for I am meek and lowly in heart:
......and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Matt. 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

When they read SPEAK and have it come out as MAKE MUSIC then they may be suffering from Dyslexia.

Paul said that if we want to find Jesus so He can teach us we have to go OUTSIDE of the CAMP: that is defined as the place of the BARRACKS (located missionaries?) and that included the AGORA or MARKETPLACE where you could buy wine, hear speeches, listen to singers and players and even buy a virgin. Jesus consigned the pipers, singers or wailers and dancers to the AGORA which was far removed from the Ekklesia in Athens. If you didn't show up on time the PSALLO word means that they swatted you with a rope all polluted. When you got to "church" they fined you and owuld not let you speak. I like that.

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Mentally Very Stable - For Asking

April 23 2010, 6:14 PM 

Bill thinks that I am depressed
His behavior has regressed
He's attacking my disposition
Because he has a woman's intuition
He played in a Baptist church
The musicating turned him beserk
He might as even buy a skirt

Baptist again, he probably wished to be
I know that he's no match for me
My face he wouldn't want to see
He makes the same old arguments
That have no scriptural equivalent
His denominational views have not turned
Look to this ditty, he just got burned!

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Re: Mentally Very Stable - For Asking

April 23 2010, 9:51 PM 

Again, not quite ready for a Pulitzer nomination but still amusing. And it even more resembles the nonsensical poems that a manic-depressive had written. Most mentally disturbed people are the LAST to admit that they are disturbed. They usually see themselves as the only sane people alive and everyone ELSE as crazy.

Is this all "Riu" has to offer--nothing but nonsensical poems?

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Re: "He had manic-depressive disorder."

April 24 2010, 5:38 PM 

William, you said that "all physicians have had training in psychiatry before they can graduate from medical school. Interesting enough then, is that why most physicians have the bedside manners of a caveman? Is that why you chose pathology, where you wouldn't have to see many patients face to face? Oh by the way William, your narcissistic traits have been viewed and witnessed by not just me (lay folks as you call us), but a certified clinical psychologist. Don't worry though William, nothing can be ascertained as a true diagnosis merely here.....through the internet. You are off the hook again William.
Life is GOOD!!!

As far as the poem goes you know that since there is a different IP address you knew it wasn't me. That's just the immaturity in you raring it's ugly head again. Maybe when you pass puberty it will cease.

Hey Ken Sublett, I am not sure why you even want to worry about getting to heaven. With all the praises to God, and singing to our really wouldn't be your kind of thing.

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Re: "He had manic-depressive disorder."

April 24 2010, 11:31 PM 

YOP, my boy, your insults are tired, lame, and worn-out. You've run out of originality as well as credibility, so you have become boring. You're miffed because I taught you that "well-worded" is hyphenated. Actually, I'm far more interested in reading the next "poem" that you and your friend "Riu" post. They are quite amusing, even though they won't ever win Pulitzers. Oh, you'll probably say you have no connection with "Riu" whatsoever. Well then, we'll just say that you and "Riu" are "birds of a feather." happy.gif

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Re: "He had manic-depressive disorder."

April 25 2010, 10:41 AM 

I almost forgot to mention the following: YOP said, "That's just the immaturity in you raring it's [sic] ugly head again."

YOP, "it's" with an apostrophe is a contraction for "it is" or "it has," whereas "its" without the apostrophe is the possessive form of "it." Therefore, your insult as stated above actually reads, "That's just the immaturity in you raring it is ugly head again." That just makes your insult sound like it comes from an illiterate person. Substitute "its" for "it's." The statement will still be insulting but at least folks won't think you're illiterate.

I do want you to be literate, YOP, so please keep a dictionary beside you at all times when you post your insults, or at least use one of the many dictionaries that are available on the Internet. happy.gif

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