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Another group bashing the church and promoting INSTRUMENTS

May 8 2009 at 3:13 PM
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Jay Guin of oneinjesus forum claims to be a member of the Church of Christ but he seems to have joined the Gang of 12 or so actively denouncing the Church of Christ for all of its values. He has the same circle of defenders as those who split Madison and other churches defending INSTRUMENTS while many were on the payrole of those pledged to NEVER use "machined for doing hard work" and being marked as a SISSIFIED group.

He says Psallo demands instruments: all of his friends say RIGHT ON. Ken says WRONG.
He said that the CENI was invented by the Churche of Christ: Ken says wrong.
He inverts Romans 14 to ALLOW instruments and says that we are always whining that "if you would quit playing instruments WE could have fellership." Ken says no.
Jay puts Ken on short leash: don't blame him so he directed anyone interested (two or three) to my pages so I have set up a Jay Guin index at:

http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Reviews.html

Jay seems like a nice guy but those he RUNS WITH have a bad habit of lying about the Bible and inventing all of the RACA words to use against the Church of Christ who they think INVENTED "speak wehere the Bible speaks" and not making pagan music in the face of a holy God. I think he is trainable because he has not gone ballistic like some of his posters.

It will be easier to format the BIBLE and historical quotes which they say they cannot read.

 
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Ken does not know

May 9 2009, 9:56 PM 

Ken's latest attack only serves to prove that not only does he not know who is a Christian and who is not. It is likely he does not know the Christ.

I pray I am mistaken, but Ken's words betray a dark heart.

This is very sad. How long with Donnie continue to join himself with and contribute his God given talents to the divisive?

 
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Jay Guin on Romans 14

May 11 2009, 2:38 PM 

I have updated the REVIEW index based on the "not fact" that Tom Olbricht claims that the Church got its "hermeneutics" fro Zwingli.
I have posted some of his false claims from the Declaration and Address. Like all "scholars" he quotes others but not Zwingil etal. Zwingli objected to SINGING as AN ACT OF WORSHIP because before the Reformation NO ONE SANG as a legalistic act of worship. The Bible is NOT metrical and you could not sing it musically if your life depended on it. I have posted Olbricht's review here:

http://www.piney.com/RmOlbricht-.html

You can see that ALL of the oneinjesus believe "lying wonders" of anyone who claims to be a "scholar."

Furthermore, I have posted a review of Jay Guins article of Romans. He INVERTS Paul's outlawing of the hypocritic arts and INSISTS that we need to quit catering to the "scruples" of the weak who have NEVER used instruments. As almost always you can find a Classical story defining how WEAK people make the NEW LAWS and impose them on the STRONG by using music and other forms of witchcraft.

http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Romans.14.html

The problem with CHANGELINGS is that God sends them a STRONG DELUSION and they believe the LYING WONDERSS just on time.

aumatourg-eô ,
A. = thaumatopoieô, X.Smp.7.2; work wonders or miracles, Ph.2.18,185; but ta perigeia th. 'play tricks with', of Xerxes, Id.1.674; ta tethaumatourgęmena wonderful phenomena, Pl.Ti. 80c.


Same as Teratourgeo, Teratourga, Thaumasios

Xenophon, Symposium VII. Then some among the rest of the banqueters kept urging Philip to go on with his comparisons, while others opposed. As the clamour rose to some height, Socrates once more interposed, saying: Since we all want to talk, would this not be a fine time to join in singing? And with the words he began a song. [2] When they had finished, a potter's wheel was brought in for the dancing girl on which she intended performing some feats of jugglery.

This prompted Socrates to observe to the Syracusan: Sir, it is quite probable that, to use your words, I am indeed a thinker; at any rate, I am now considering how it might be possible for this lad of yours and this maid to exert as little effort as may be, and at the same time give us the greatest possible amount of pleasure in watching them,--this being your purpose, also, I am sure. [3] Now, turning somersaults in among knives seems to me to be a dangerous exhibition, which is utterly out of place at a banquet. Also, to write or read aloud on a whirling potter's wheel may perhaps be something of a feat; yet I cannot conceive what pleasure even this can afford. Nor is it any more diverting to watch the young and beautiful going through bodily contortions and imitating hoops than to contemplate them in repose. [4] For it is of course no rare event to meet with marvels, if that is what one's mind is set on. He may marvel at what he finds immediately at hand


Teratourg-eô , A.work wonders, pseudôsti Sch.Pi.I.7(6).13

Isthmian 7 For Strepsiades of Thebes Pancratium ?454 B. C.

[1] In which of the local glories of the past, divinely blessed Thebe, did you most delight your spirit? Was it when you raised to eminence the one seated beside Demeter of the clashing bronze cymbals, flowing-haired [5] Dionysus? Or when you received, as a snow-shower of gold in the middle of the night, the greatest of the gods, [6] when he stood in the doorway of Amphitryon, and then went in to the wife to beget Heracles? Or did you delight most in the shrewd counsels of Teiresias? Or in the wise horseman Iolaus? [10] Or in the Sown Men, untiring with the spear? Or when you sent Adrastus back from the mighty war-shout, bereft [11] of countless companions, to Argos, home of horses?


THE MARK OF APOLLO OR ABADDON, APOLLYON AND HIS MUSES OR LOCUSTS:

Prophętęs [prophęmi]

I. one who speaks for a God and interprets his will to man, a prophet; so Teiresias is pr. Dios, Jove's interpreter, Pind.; and of Apollo, Dios prophętęs esti Loxias patros Aesch.; while the Pythia, in turn, became the prophętis of Apollo, Hdt.; so Poets are called hoi tôn Mousôn prophętai interpreters of the Muses, Plat.

2. generally, an interpreter, declarer, egô pr. soi logôn genęsomai Eur.; so, the bowl is called kômou prophatęs, Pind.

Prophętis 1 [fem. of prophętęs] of the Pythia, Eur.

(Puthia). The priestess of Apollo at Delphi who pronounced the oracles. See Delphi; Oraculum.

Puthios [u_; i_ metri gr. in h.Ap.373], a, on, ( [Pu_thô] ) Pythian, i.e. Delphian, epith. of Apollo, l.c., Pi.O.14.11, etc. (P. alone is f.l. in E. Ion 285); en Puthiou in




 
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