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October 13 2009 at 12:59 PM
Wayne Miller  (no login)
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Galatians 5 - NIV

13.) You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14.) The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 15.) If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Word

October 14 2009, 8:41 PM 

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 1:3 KJV).

Those who despise the faith will always bite at and seek to devour those who earnestly contend for the faith.

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October 16 2009, 2:29 AM 

Jude 1 - NIV

The sin and doom of Godless men

3.) Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4.) For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5.) Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6.) And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own homethese he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7.) In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

8.) In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. 9.) But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" 10.) Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animalsthese are the very things that destroy them.

11.) Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam's error; they have been destroyed in Korah's rebellion.

12.) These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualmshepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprootedtwice dead. 13.) They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

14.) Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15.) to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him." 16.) These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

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Change Agents: Take Heed

October 16 2009, 12:39 PM 

Thanks for the passage, Wayne.

You see, the change agents in the brotherhood are doing exactly the opposite. Instead of "that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints," they have become followers of Rick Warren with his culture-driven approach to church growth and Community Church-ism.

Just how many churches of Christ have become Community Churches?

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October 18 2009, 3:54 AM 

Galatians 3 - NIV

26.) You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27.) for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28.) There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29.) If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 6 - NIV

1.) Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2.) Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3.) If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4.) Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5.) for each one should carry his own load.

Romans 15 - NIV

1.) We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. 2.) Each of us should please his neighbor for his good, to build him up. 3.) For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me." 4.) For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

5.) May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus, 6.) so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

7.) Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God. 8.) For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs 9.) so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written:
"Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles;
I will sing hymns to your name." 10.) Again, it says,
"Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people." 11.) And again,
"Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles,
and sing praises to him, all you peoples." 12.) And again, Isaiah says,
"The Root of Jesse will spring up,
one who will arise to rule over the nations;
the Gentiles will hope in him."

13.) May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

1 John 4 - NIV

God's Love and Ours

7.) Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8.) Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9.) This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10.) This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11.) Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12.) No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

13.) We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14.) And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15.) If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. 16.) And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. 17.) In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. 18.) There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

19.) We love because he first loved us. 20.) If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21.) And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

1 Corinthians 13 - NIV

4.) Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5.) It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6.) Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7.) It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Ephesians 4 - NIV

29.) Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30.) And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31.) Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32.) Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

Hebrews 12 - NIV

14.) Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15.) See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

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Some Jude compared to Enoch

October 16 2009, 3:17 PM 

Thanks, Wayne, for making a good point: Jude points to The Book of Enoch which has always been honored for it clear description of the falls from grace. The accounts are well documented on Clay Tablets containing the understanding of people 2 to 3 thousand years before Moses wrote the same account. After the nations fall from Grace at Mount Sinai because of musical idolatry they were turned over to worship the starry host. At the same time God intended to remove them "beyond Babylon" in time. Moses records the same events as a warning to the Israelites not to fall into the worship of the tribe of Levi.

I have collected three dozen versions of the Book of Enoch story which may be told in Romans 1. The clear understanding was that the family of the EVIL LAMECH line introduced all of the arts and crafts and led the people into idolatry. The Jubal, Jabal, Tubal-Cain and Naamah is defined in these Babylonian stories.

The reason for the fatal FALLS from grace was Satan seducing the Cainites the holy people away from the Living Word lusing mixed-sex choirs, playing instruments, wearing apparel (clergy robes) which caused the fall into sexual and homosexual problems: this is the same PLAY at Mount Sinai.

Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

This is also what happened at Mount Sinai

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him

Enoch 2:1 Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.

Jude 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having mens persons in admiration because of advantage.


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Peter uses the same warning to specificially mark false teachers who do not teach that which is written where ekklesia is "a school of the Bible." It has no room for the grumblers or musical performars John in Revelation 18 calls sorcers.

Here is a collection of a rough comparison between Jude and the Book of Enoch.

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Ken Sublett
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Musicators IMPOSING what Jesus died to REMOVE.

October 19 2009, 5:18 PM 

Those who lie about all of the instrument terms in the Bible and recorded history say that in some way God TOLD them that they should deliberately sow discord by restoring the CURSE of the sacrificial system totally abandoned to paganism BECAUSE of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

If you don't know the meaning of ekklesia / synagogue it is pretty clear that you cannot BE one of those.

If you don't know the difference between being a DISCIPLE of what Christ commanded to be taught, and a ceremonial legalist then you CANNOT now be such a disciple.

You don't get to land on the Moon without knowing what is a NASA ASTRONAUT school. Nor, can you land on the moon by skipping class and attending the local musical.

No one ever suggested a role for MUSIC in the Church of Christ established in the wilderness without not KNOWING what happened, who then used the legalistic, doomed PATTERNISM of the Tribe of Levi.

Unless you have more immunity than the tribe of Levi whom Jacob had warned "do not attend their assemblies" you might consider yourself a spiritually dead man. If you have lied to impose and to drive away the owners the MARK will never burn off.

Gen. 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren;
......instruments [apparatus, psaltery, weapon]
......of cruelty are in their habitations. [stabbings, a pot or furnace]
Gen. 49:6 O my soul,
......come not thou into their secret;
......unto their assembly, mine honour, not thou united:
......for in their anger they slew a man,
......and in their selfwill [delight] they digged down a wall.

The mantra of Promise Keepers who purposed to "come into their assembly" was Tear Down The Walls!

Gen. 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce;
......and their wrath, for it was cruel:
......I will divide them in Jacob,
......and scatter them in Israel.

Looking far into the future for the spiritual priesthood.

Gen. 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy fathers children shall bow down before thee.

in Numbers when Korah and 250 of the famous or men of renown decided that they should have a part in the sacrificial system which God had laded on to the Tribe of Levi. As the ultimate way of repudiating famous men who want to be religious leaders Moses tells us their motive.

Num. 16:15 And Moses was very wroth, and said unto the LORD,
......Respect not thou their offering:
......I have not taken one ass from them,
......neither have I hurt one of them.

God's righteousness was to consume them in a moment: they were gathered before the Taberncle andthe went down into a pit and it closed over them. This caused the people to plead for mercy and an offering was made by Aaron to stop the plague. The "budding rod" miracle was to confirm that only Aaron and the Levites were ordained by God.


Num. 17:12 And the children of Israel spake unto Moses, saying,
......Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish.
Num. 17:13 Whosoever cometh any thing near unto the tabernacle of the LORD shall die:
......shall we be consumed with dying?

The tribe of Levi had been cursed by their father and WE were warned NOT to attend their assemblies. The Church was set up to QUARANTINE all civillians FROM their slaughter where they USED instruments for the BURNT OFFERINGS which Christ said HAD NOT BEEN COMMANDED.

Not in Jerusalem or the vilest pagan temple could singers or instrument players come NEAR the holy place or thing.

In Numbers 18 God confirmed that the honor the famous people was really being the sin bearers for the nation.

Num 18:1 And the LORD said unto Aaron,
......Thou and thy sons and thy fathers house with thee
......shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: [a sancturary whether for Jehovah or idols]
......and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
......[Kahan, an old pagan priesthood]


If you miss the point that God turned the Levi tribe over to WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST, and your preacher says that the Spirit "told him to impose that" God has provided a way of ESCAPE and not authority for the new class of Priests and Levites

H5771 âvôn âvôn aw-vone', aw-vone' From H5753; perversity, that is, (moral) evil:--fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment (of iniquity), sin.

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H5753 âvâh aw-vaw' A primitive root; to crook, literally or figuratively:--do amiss, bow down, make crooked, commit iniquity, pervert, (do) perverse (-ly), trouble, X turn, do wickedly, do wrong.

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Jesus wants us to be saved FROM this perverse, CROOKED race and not JOIN THEM! The Scribes and Pharisees He identified as hypocrites: speakers, singers and instrument players.

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Ken Sublett
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Should YOU bow to the INSTRUMENTS? or dare to be a Daniel.

October 23 2009, 5:40 PM 

Instrumental "noise" in Jerusalem was always a signal that no citizen must be inside the walls and that the "officials" must worship which means to fall on their face. The noise is not worship and does not contribute to worship: it is a FORCE to FORCE you to the ground.

In the case of Daniel Oil-Rig notes that there are 6 instruments named 6 times as in 666: another account OMITS one of the instruments. How strange. Daniel and his friends REFUSED to "worship" when the instruments were sounded. Isn't that an approved example?

NEBUCHADNEZZAR the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits (60), and the breadth thereof six (6) cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura (circle), in the province of Babylon. Dan 3:1

That at what time ye hear the sound of the (1) cornet, (2) flute, (3) harp, (4) sackbut, (5) psaltery, (6) dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: Dan 3:5

They claim that they can lead you into the presence of God. They claim that if you enthuse over the music then you are WORSHIPING GOD. So strange and so blind and so willingly.

On another thread we are discussing the SACKBUT: like all of these instruments they belong to the FEMALE or EFFEMINATE.

"The psaltery (psalterion, saltere, sauterie, Psalterium, Psalter, salterio) is an ancient intstrument seen in many forms. Early versions were simply a wooden board with gut strings stretched between pegs. The strings were plucked with fingers or by plectra (the name might have derived from the Greek psallein meaning plucked with fingers)

"The name of psaltery entered Christian literature in the 3rd century B.C. translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint where, in the Psalms, nebel was translated psalterion. Thus, Nebuchadnezzar's idolatrous ensemble included the Aramic psantria. Notice, also, that the book of Psalms has also become known as the Psalter (or psalterium), from the hymns sung with this harp..

Nebel (h5035) neh'-bel; or nebel nay'-bel; from 5034; a skin- bag for liquids (from collapsing when empty); hence a vase (as similar in shape when full); also a lyre (as having a body of like form): - bottle, pitcher, psaltery, vessel, viol

Nabel (h5034) naw-bale'; a prim. root; to wilt; gen. to fall away, fail, faint; fig. to be foolish or (mor.) wicked; causat. to despise, disgrace: - disgrace, dishonour, lightly esteem, fade (away, - ing), fall (down, -ling, off), do foolishly, come to nought, * surely, make vile, wither..

Nabal (h5036) naw-bawl'; from 5034; stupid; wicked (espec. impious): - fool (-ish, -ish man, -ish woman), vile person.

PSALLO outlaws plucking with a guitar pick. Psallo specificially OUTLAWS blowing a wind instrument, a piano, organ, drums even a tiny harp unless you use only your fingers.

When the scholars translated from Hebrew to Greek they understood that ALL of the psallo-derived words spoke of making war or making perverted love.

HERE IS ONE OF THE NACC'S PROOFS THAT PSALLO PERMITS PLUCKING. All of those diverting happy churches into using instruments build on the foundation by Tom Burgess who repeats all of the literary resources collected by O.E.Payne in the first attempt to JUSTIFY the use of instruments.

Plutarch, Lives (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) [4] Such objects are to be found in virtuous deeds; these implant in those who search them out a great and zealous eagerness which leads to imitation. In other cases, admiration of the deed is not immediately accompanied by an impulse to do it. Nay, many times, on the contrary, while we delight in the work, we despise the workman,

as, for instance, in the case of perfumes and dyes; we take a delight in them,

but dyers and perfumers we regard as illiberal and vulgar folk.

[5] Therefore it was a fine saying of Antisthenes, when he heard that Ismenias was an excellent piper:

"But he's a worthless man," said he, "otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper."

That proves, says the musical invaders. PROVES that God wants us to pluck the flute as worship in church.

And so Philip once said to his son, who, as the wine went round, plucked the strings charmingly and skilfully, "Art not ashamed to pluck the strings so well?" It is enough, surely, if a king have leisure to hear others pluck the strings, and he pays great deference to the Muses if he be but a spectator of such contests.

Of course, Alexander was trying to seduce his favorite young boy. Didn't he die of some vile disease?

Yes, I know, all of the scholars say God has NOTHING bad to say about us using INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE: in Fact, Rick Atchley was told that GOD COMMANDS INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and WE MUST NOT BE DISOBEDIEND while He (Jesus) is trying to teach that which has been taught.

And all of the ditto head say AMEN!

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October 26 2009, 4:54 AM 

Proverbs 17 - NIV

24.) A discerning person keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eye wander to the ends of the earth.

27.) Those who have knowledge use words with restraint, and those who have understanding are even-tempered.

Proverbs 18 - NIV

2.) Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.

1 Timothy 1 - NIV

3.) As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4.) nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. these promote controversies rather than God's work which is by faith. 5.) The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6.) Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. 7.) They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. 8.) We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.

Titus 3 - NIV

9.) But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10.) Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. 11.) You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

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Music is a fatal fall from grace.

October 26 2009, 2:38 PM 

At the ACU Summit 2009 this year the MOUNTAIN was their PATTERNISM for the Church: they missed the most important chapters. We can be certain that no one at the PEAK understood what happened at Mount Sinai: it was the musical idolatry of the Egyptian (etal) trinity. For this affront, rather than being a PATTERNISM for us, God removed His grace and abandoned them to worship the starry host: anyone having read Acts 7 would ask some questions before daring to preach.

They lectured on Exodus 31 and just HOPPED over Exodus 32. Here are some very rough notes

Exod 31:12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
Exod 31:13 Speak thou also unto the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL,
......saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep:
......for it is a sign between me and you
......throughout your generations; [your revolution of time]
......that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

That doesn't sound like A DAY OF WORSHIP to me! The word KEEP is:

8104. shamar, shaw-mar´; a primitive root; properly, to hedge about (as with thorns), i.e. guard; .

Exod 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you:
......every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death:
......for whosoever doeth any work therein,
......that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

The ANOTHER DAY of rest is the Greek PAUO which means to STOP the speaking, singing, playing and having a party.


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The golden calf represented Apis a real bull calf in Egypt. This represented the always-pagan ftrinitiy of Osiris, Isis and Horus.

The Egyptian Opis (Apis) and others which Israel worshipped at Mount Sinal were worshipped throughout the area. "In preference to all other hymns these choirs generally sang the so-called epiphany hymns,which were intended to invite the gods to appear. Plutarch wrote:

Why do the women of Elis call upon God in song to approach them with the bull's foot? Their song is the following:

......Come, Dionysus, Hero,
......into the holy temple of Elis,
......together with the Graces
......come violently into the temple with the bull's foot!
......Then they sang twice at the end: "Sacred Bull!"
......(Johannes Quasten, Music & Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p. 76)

"For NONLITERATE peoples, music often serves purposes other than entertainment or aesthetic enjoyment. Certain wind instrumentare closely associated with the supernatural, and their sounds connote powerful magic. Australian Aborigines, for instance, identify the sound of a bull-roarer with thevoices of supernatural beings; for the Plains Indians, the same sound signifies an awesome natural phenomenon, such as thunder. Wind instruments are often among a group's most important ritual objects, and in some cultures they are specially venerated. The Kamairua Indians of the Amazon rain forest keep their giant flutes (three to four feet long), wherein spirits are believed to dwell, in a special shrine where they are worshiped. The flutes and drums of New Guinea are similarly housed and worshiped.

"Wind instruments in primitive cultures also serve nonreligious functions. In New Guinea, bamboo trumpets were once played

to frighten an enemyduring battle and
to alert a village that the victorious warriors were coming home with the corpses of the foes.

"Conch-shell trumpets are used for signaling in the Pacific coastal regions of Columbia and in the Ecuadoran highlands.

Trumpets also may be associated with the office of king or chief, as in West Africa,
where their use is strictly controlled by tribal law. "wind instrument" Encyclopædia Britannica Online.

When Moses came DOWN from the Mountain ACU just SKIPPED the punch line. Moses recognized the sounds of VICTORY and the sounds of DEFEAT, but, he says IT IS SINGING THAT I HEAR. That meaning IDOLATRY .

Sorry, but there is no evidence that does not mark religious music as IDOLATRY and at Mount Sinai (HOPPED OVER BY ACU) sexual perversion. Look at Romans 1 to define Sinai.

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Old wineskin god in a new skin: just in time

October 27 2009, 8:20 PM 

All pagans believed that the "gods" dwelled inside of the musical instruments: in an account similar to the Book of Enoch it is said that Satan taught the youth how to make and play instruments: when they played the instruments Satan came into them. This is something like the Psallo/Sop word which Jesus used to cause Satan to enter into Judas whose Judas bag was for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments.

David tried to AWAKEN his lyre so that he could AWAKEN the Dawn

Euripides attributes instruments to Rhea, the mother of the gods or ZOE. Remembering that it was because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai that God turned them over to worship the starry host and sentenced them to return beyond Babylon; and that the old wineskin god was Bacchus or Dionysus. This is why Jesus said that the MEN were like CHILDREN piping trying to force others to sing or lament and dance the sexual initiation.

Anon shall the whole land be dancing, when Bromius leads his revellers to the hills, to the hills away! where wait him groups of maidens from loom and shuttle roused in frantic haste by Dionysus. O hidden cave of the Curetes!

[120] O hallowed haunts in Crete, that saw Zeus born, where Corybantes with crested helms devised for me in their grotto the rounded timbrel of ox-hide (lifeless instrument), mingling Bacchic minstrelsy with the shrill sweet accents of the Phrygian flute, a gift bestowed by them on mother Rhea, to add its crash of music to the Bacchantes' shouts of joy;

ACU is looking to the MOUNTAINS and missing the musical idolatry and Zoe wants to LOOK TO THE HILLS. Unfortunately, this was a question: Shall WE look to the mountain or hills gods for our salvation? No. Here is a quick Exodus 32 which ACU skipped over while coming down from the hills Rough notes for now but to join the majority of about half a dozen you might read it.

The Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17 uses lusted after "fruits" as speakers, singers and instrument players. John called them sorcerers.

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The fallen angels of Demons Paul linked to lifeless instruments.

October 28 2009, 1:37 PM 

Question: who are the DEMONS?

Jesus talked about hell being prepared for Satan and his angels didn't he? Of course, angels means messengers. But the fallen angel theory seems to make more sense all around.

In 1 Corinthians 10 and Romans 10 Paul quoted from the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai: this was to prove to the Jews that they HAD fallen from grace and therefore were NOT predestinated to be saved. In 1 Corinthians 10 Paul identified this with DEMON worship: demon worship was often conducted under the bull (golden calf) representing the Egyptian and all pagan triads. This worship was always MARKED by vocal and instrumental rejoicing which is what Christ outlawed for The Church of Christ in the Wilderness. That was because the Church was to rest, read and rehears the Word of God: that never changed for several centuries after Christ: "singing" was what Moses heard as idolatry at Mount Sinai and no one imposed singing as an ACT (legalism) until the year 373.

Tertullian also wrote Chapter XXIII.

Moreover, if SORCERS call forth ghosts, and even make what seem the souls of the dead to appear;

if they put boys to death, in order to get a response from the oracle; if, with their juggling illusions, they make a pretence of doing various miracles;

if they put dreams into people's minds by the power of the angels and DEMONS whose aid they have invited, by whose influence, too, goats [cappella] and tables are made to divine,-

how much more likely is this power of evil to be zealous in doing with all its might, of its own inclination, and for its own objects, what it does to serve the ends of others! Or if both angels and demons do just what your gods do, where in that case is the pre-eminence of deity, which we must surely think to be above all in might?

The rise of the Musical worship team (thanks to Knowles etal) specificially claims that they can "lead you into the presence of God." [The discussion about whether dead men of the Restoration Movement are the DEMONS: No, I would say that the live MUSICATORS fulfil all of the marks of promoting demon worship ALWAYS identified by the sights and sounds of Lucifer's or Zoes]

Or that when we praise God lands on us like a platform: if you watch what we do and repeat it then you will also worship. The New Wineskins (aka Vinyard) claims that the praise singing can induce a sexual-like climactic experience with God: just before final act of worship calling "giving of substance." All musical terms in the Greek literature parse directly to enchantment or sorcery: Paul warned about the "voice of angels" when he equated a lact of love to Lifeless Instruments also called Carnal Weapons. Jesus also warned about them in Isaiah and Ezekiel by naming speakers, singers and instrument players.

Tertullian also confirms out thesis in Isaiah 30 that Christ is defining the ONLY purpose for which hell was prepared. The way we can SEE and HEAR demon worship. Judah put their TRUST in Egypt and were overcome by the Assyrians all identified as using MUSIC to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

Isaiah 30 uses the musical worship of the BULL DEMON Molech in Jerusalem to show FOR WHOM hell has been prepared:

Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a PIPE as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX

Isa 30:32 And is shall happen to him from every side,
......that they from whome their hope of assistance was, which he trusted, themselves shall war against him in turn with DRUMS and with HARP.

For thou shalt be required before thy time: has it been prepared for thee also to reign? nay, God has prepared for thee a deep trench, wood piled fire and much wood: the wrath of the Lord shall be as a trench kindled with sulphur. Isaiah 30:33 LXX

The SORCERY / DEMON worship and MUSIC is absolute well documented on clay tablets and the last time in Revelation 18.

Lucifer is called the Singing and Harp playing prostitute who wholly seduced Eve in the Garden: he/she is personified by the king/queen of both Tyre and Babylon:

Isa. 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
......and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee,
......and the MAGGOTS cover thee.
Is. 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer [ZOE], son of the morning! art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Is. 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
......I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Is. 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Is. 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

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Ezekiel and Joshepus blamed the LEVITES for national destruction.

October 31 2009, 11:27 PM 

Read your Old Testament. God chose the tribe of Levi. He chose Aaron's sons and even the line of Zadok. We should get our understanding of doctrine from the Bible, not Jospehus, not liberal commentaries, and not descriptions of paganism in Greece and the Ancient Near East.

This gets off track a bit but it is important to understand why there is so many passages in the prophets warning about a Spirit OF Fire and a Spirit OF judgment. Even with Cornelius 'embraced it was the BREATH of God which produced WORDS in the Judean language which the Jews clearly understood. This was a sign of Judgment upon the doubting Jews still ready to DENY baptism to the Gentiles unless they were circumscized and kept the Law of Moses which was added because of transgression and not a sign of predestination.

The REASON for this overwhelming with WIND or Breath of God and FIRE was to DISQUALIFY the Law of Moses and the NOT-commanded sacrificial system which burned lambs and children with fire. Nothing could have been a more powerful death blow to the exclusive Jews (Edomites probably) than to have JUDEANS speaking in NON-Hebrew about THEIR Messiah whom they could not deny but still murdered. Peter reached back a decade to prove to the doubting Jews that this was proof that the Spirit HAD BEEN poured out to the Gentiles long ago. Instead of an ANGRY WIND the baptized believer would have A holy spirit in which God thorugh His Word could dwell and be sought. This gave them REST from the curse of the Law where the service of the Levites was HARD BONDAGE using aword having the same meaning as abaddon or apollyon in Revelation.

.......Psa. 33:6 By the [1] word of the [2] LORD were the heavens made;
..............and all the host of them by the [3] breath of his mouth.
.......Psa. 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap:
..............He layeth up the depth in storehouses.
.......Psa. 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD:
..............let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
.......Psa. 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

God abandoned Israel to worship the STARRY HOST because of sin at Mount Sinai. They were continuing their old Egyptian cult and the name LEVITE includes the tribe of Levi but it also points to the worship of Dionysus which coverered the whole area from Babylon, Canaan, Egypt and Greece. Acts 7 makes it clear with Amos that they continued the worship of Molech and other 'gods' representing the Sun, Moon and wandering stars or known planets. The Nacash in Genesis points directly to the NAGA or serpent and sun worshipers of Persia and India.

The Jewish Encyclopedia confirms what the Bible makes clear, that the Temple system was a NATIONAL or STATE sacrificial system. Christ in the prophets deny that this is what God commanded them when He saved them by pure grace. That was Sabazianism derived from Sabius or Dionysus / Bacchus: this was still part of the mindset of the Jewish clergy.

I would rather seek the advice of the almost-universal scholarly opinion than I would one trained as a speaker..

The Ghebers of Hebron 2 Hoaea, xii. 4 derives the name Inrael from Sarah to contend, to fight, and El = God of Fire. Gen. xxxii. '28. Asarians, Asriel, Israel, a name of the War god {Exodus, xiii. 21, 22, xiv. 25), Saturn and the Sun. The Fire-god Azar was the God of war, and M'irs was the Sun. Macrob. I. xvii. OS

For the Sabbath worshipers in the church: that was the day for the worship of ALL of the SUN gods.

The Jews blew the trumpet on the newmoon, poured out libations and offered burnt sacrifices. And for this duty the Lobii, Luim or Levites were assigned to do just what the Brahmans did in India. They ministered to la'hoh, Lord of Life, according to Exodus, iii. 14 ; xxxviii. 21; xl. 15; Jeremiah, xxxiii. 18. Hence the Jews were the Brahmaus of Palestine, as Josephus said, worshipping Brahma, whom, for their own political purposes, they chose to regard as Ab (Father) Ram (Most High) which title is not unsuitable to the Most High of the Hindu Gods. King states that the words brahrna and abrahm have the same numerical value.6

But these fire-worshippers carried with them the arks of Moloch and Khiun (Life-god), their Adon, and they had, like the other peoples of the Delta, their Mysteries, which the priests instituted. They took with them from Phoenicia, probably, a certain knowledge of fixed vocal signs; and it would not be safe to deny to Syria the possession of some sort of (Syrian) hieroglyphs

When the Gurus claim that Amos was just condemning "a bad mental attitude" then you grasp why Jesus fired the "doctors of the Law for taking away the key to knowledge."

Whatever the monarchs called "God" it was NOT the Jehovah of Jacob: He always hypenates His name to keep down the confusion. As Jesus He is Jehovah-Saves who came to save us FROM that "crooked race" probably Edomites and not Children of Israel..


.......> Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel;
..............Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. Jeremiah 7:21
.......For I spake NOT unto your fathers, nor commanded them the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
..............concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jeremiah 7:22
.......> But this thing commanded I them, saying,
..............Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people:
..............and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you,
..............that it may be well unto you. Jeremiah 7:23
.......> But they HEARKENED NOT, nor inclined their ear,
..............but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart,
..............and went backward, and not forward. Jeremiah 7:24

That was ABSOLUTE when the elders FIRED God and demanded a human king. Just read the text of the first major PROPHET of doom:

In the name of common sense, WHY would anyone listen to anyone demanding that the SPIRIT told him to DO that to which God ABANDONED first Israel and then Judah?

Jacob says I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord!" Of Simeon and Levi the patriarch remarks that they

.......Gen. 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments [Sword or Musical]
..............of cruelty are in their habitations.
.......Gen. 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret;
..............unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united:
.............. for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wal

Habitations means "stabbing" from "a cooking range" or boiler, a pot or furnace. God knew that they had a lust for blood and flesh and that was the only rationale for the national or pagan sacrificial systems.

The Levites would be warriors and the latin is bellor To understand such words, the Greek and Latin literature must be read.

In Vergil Aeneid 11 the word Bello is used of the triumph over using music.

.......With such, return'd triumphant from the war,
.......Her maids with cries attend the lofty car;
.......They clash with manly force their moony shields;
.......With female shouts resound the Phrygian fields.

Gen. 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel:
.......I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.

"Dan," he says, "shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse-heels, so that his rider shall fall backwards (i.e., he will teach candidates black magic) .

Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, that his rider shall fall backward.

David was KING and the Levites were under the king and commanders of the army: they were not part of the priestly class and even to COME NEAR any holy thing would get them killed.

The Bible is a history of the HEBREW PEOPLE: as such, it includes the Civil-Military-Priestly class which in all nations served the STATE and gave glory to it: they did not serve the people but as God promised when He gave them a "king in His anger" that the Monarchy--as national idolatry--would destroy them.

Let me say it again: the Spiritual THREAD is defined by Christ in spirit through the WRITING PROPHETS. Only these earlier prophets and the later apostles LAID (past tense) the foundation of the Church. You can lay a foundation only once and this one is built on the ROCK (Christ in the wilderness church).

Once a will is probated by its testators it forever stands for the mind of the one making the Will.

It confirms the Bible that all of the historic scholars DENY that God needed a human king, priests and a sacrificial system QUARANTINED within the walls of the CITY: We as Christians go OUTSIDE of the city to find Christ and suffer REPROACHES with Him.

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More HALAL material.

November 2 2009, 11:31 PM 

This year ACU used the MOUNTAIN top theme: when they came down they flat SKIPPED over Exodus 32. Now, why would a bunch of scholars bent on imposing the MUSICAL IDOLATRY which cause God to turn them over to worship the starry host just like in Babylon and back in Egypt? Well, you don't need school to be a scholar thse days.

If you have read Acts 7 you will understand Stephen saying that God turned them over to worship the STARRY HOST.

For we readers, #150 is NOT a Psalm but a HALAL which means to make yourself vile by making threats with all of the instruments derived from prostitutes: David made war, not worship.

If God ABANDONED them and sentenced them to return BEYOND BABYLON

......then how is it you are going to snatch bits and pieces of an ABANDONED group a pattern for the church which is a school (only) of the Bible (only).
......It has no staff or roles not directed to teaching THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT.

If you have read 2 Samuel you will discover that TIME WAS UP when the elders fired God and demanded a king like the nations. God knew that they wanted to WORSHIP like the nations. God claimed that He would not rescue them even if they repented and He did not. The Temple was like all pagan temples. If you read Stephen you will discover that God did not want nor need a Temple: trust Christ in the prophets and not the Scribes (hypocrites meaning speakers, singers and instrument players says Jesus).

......Then, what is it about kings being selected to carry out the robbing, stealing, starving them
......for lack of the Word and carrying out God's captivity and death sentence that causes people to
......lie to God and about God to impose the WARRIOR LEVITE'S INSTRUMENTS in a church
......which is a school (only) of the Bible (only)?

......The Levites were under the KING and the COMMANDERS OF THE ARMY. Why would your preacher
......think that he is a "king set over you" to appeal (always) to the Levites to aid him in the war?

......If a Levite came NEAR any holy thing or place he would be executed by the "brethren."
......They did their dirty work in the slaughter and burning pit which God did not command.
......The body or church of Christ was prefigured by the Holy Place. Why do you think you
......can use the Levites as authority without getting spiritually executed?

I will explain to you later what Stephen meant by their REJOICING and what is translated as PLAY. ACU using their mountain PATTERNISM just skipped past Exodus 32 which PROVES that God removed GRACE because of MUSICAL IDOLALTRY: they were not playing hopscotch. For now, let me define the word HALAL which is the root word for LUCIFER and has the same meaning as Chalal which defines the idolatry which began after Enosh when men began to PROFANELY call themselves Jehovah. It is translated, play the flute, steal people's inheritance, pollute or prostitute. You can take your pick. When Peter speaks of SPORTING do you think they were fishing?

I just can't explain why the UNIVERSAL pleading for instrumental music in the SCHOOL OF CHRIST if from a Warrior's praise song. Nor why people think it is a PSALM. And just why it is they want to go naked with David and make themselves vile. The BOOK of psalms contains only 57 true Mizmors.

You will notice that this fits the PATTERNISM of Israel being TURNED OVER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOSTS including LUCIFER (Zoe) who was Venus or the FALSE MORNING STAR.

......Then when you see David sing, dance, go naked and whirl around in a circle why would you NOT
......believe that He was worshiping the starry host? Rather than kill David, God had given him a
......Jebusite High Place already used for Sabazianism.

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All of the instruments in Halal 150 (not a psalm) connect to bad people. For instance,

"The psaltery (psalterion, saltere, sauterie, Psalterium, Psalter, salterio) is an ancient intstrument seen in many forms. Early versions were simply a wooden board with gut strings stretched between pegs. The strings were plucked with fingers or by plectra (the name might have derived from the Greek psallein meaning plucked with fingers).

"The name of psaltery entered Christian literature in the 3rd century B.C. translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint where, in the Psalms, nebel was translated psalterion. Thus, Nebuchadnezzar's idolatrous ensemble included the Aramic psantria. Notice, also, that the book of Psalms has also become known as the Psalter (or psalterium), from the hymns sung with this harp. Source

......H5035 nebel nêbel neh'-bel, nay'-bel From H5034 ; a skin bag for liquids
......(from collapsing when empty); hence, a vase (as similar in shape when full);
......also a lyre (as having a body of like form): bottle, pitcher, psaltery, vessel, viol.

...... H5034 nâbêl naw-bale' A primitive root; to wilt; generally to fall away, fail, faint;
......figuratively to be foolish or (morally) wicked; causatively to despise, disgrace:disgrace,
......dishonour, lightly esteem, fade (away, -ing), fall (down, -ling, off), do foolishly,
......come to nought, X surely, make vile, wither.

The translaters of the Greek version used Psallo because it speaks of MAKING WAR or "shooting love arrows." It has no musical content: it means to PLUCK something. If you pluck a harp string it twangs but it does not make music. All of the PSALLO words demand plucking with the FINGERS but never with a plectrum. That eleminates a guitar pick, trumpet, drum, piano or organ which cannot be PLUCKED with your fingers.

ALL of the prooftext adduced by the Disciples for PSALLO have the context of older males plucking the harp to seduce a young boy.

Plutarch, Lives (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) [4] Such objects are to be found in virtuous deeds; these implant in those who search them out a great and zealous eagerness which leads to imitation. In other cases, admiration of the deed is not immediately accompanied by an impulse to do it. Nay, many times, on the contrary, while we delight in the work, we despise the workman,, for instance, in the case of perfumes and dyes; we take a delight in them,
......but dyers and perfumers we regard as illiberal and vulgar folk.

[5] Therefore it was a fine saying of Antisthenes, when he heard that Ismenias was an excellent piper:

......"But he's a worthless man," said he, "otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper."

And so Philip once said to his son, who, as the wine went round, plucked the strings charmingly and skilfully, "Art not ashamed to pluck the strings so well?" It is enough, surely, if a king have leisure to hear others pluck the strings, and he pays great deference to the Muses if he be but a spectator of such contests.

The musicians in Revelation 18 were the MUSES known as dirty adulterers: they with the speakers and instrument players are called SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.

In Revelation17 it is the rise (having risen) Babylon mother of harlots who uses "lusted after fruits" as here worship team of sorcerers. Not to worry: most musical and names of instruments are to perform ENCHANTMENT or WITCHCRAFT. These are the same "baskets of summer fruits) Amos warned about.

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This is the PATTERNISM for the musical bandits.

November 4 2009, 7:57 PM 

When the Israelites refused to listen to the Word of God they rose up to PLAY in musical idolatry: as indicated in Romans 1 and lots of other passages the MUSICAL rituals both MARKED and CAUSED an outbreak of sexual perversion.

Because of that God abandoned them to worship the starry host. So, you are dealing with people who would use the CURSE of Sabazianism as their patternism for musical worship. Even though they made NOISE and worship means ot fall on your face.

You could lay out texts from the Serpent as a Musical Enchanter(ess) which Christ in the prophets called "the singing and harp playing prostitute", to the Alpha and Omega warning about the Babylon mother of harlots using lusted after "fruits" as speakers, singers and instrument players John called Sorcerers and they would STILL plead ignorance. I'm Convinced.

Dt 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

The Hebrew for "serpent" in Genesis 3:1 nachash which means to hiss, mutter or whisper as do enchanters. It also means in a secondary sense to divine, or enchant or mesmerize, as a snake often does before catching its prey. It also has the meaning to shine or sparkle, like bronze or copper. Some Scriptures also tell us that Satan has an extremely attractive appearance (see e.g. 2 Cor. 11:3, 14), and this Hebrew word therefore also conveys the meaning to fascinated bewitch. (Cp. Deut. 18:10-14).

Dt 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

As the speakers, singers and instrument players in Revelation 18.

God turning them over to worship the STARRY HOST is THEIR authority and they use the COMMANDS to worship like the Babylonians as THEIR commands for worship BECAUSE God never said "Thou shalt not worship like the Babylonians.


For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do. Deut 18:14

Observer of times:

H6049 ânan aw-nan' A primitive root; to cover; used only as denominative from H6051 ,
to cloud over; figuratively to act covertly, that is, practise magic, enchanter, Meonemin, observe (-r of) times,
soothsayer, sorcerer.

Anath (h6067) an-awth'; from 6030; answer; Anath, an Isr.: - Anath.

Anan (h6049) aw-nan'; a prim. root; to cover; used only as denom. from 6051, to cloud over; fig. to act covertly, i. e. practise magic: - * bring, enchanter, Meonemin, observe (-r of) times, soothsayer, sorcerer.
Anath: This Canaanite Goddess' name means 'to answer' and may be related to the Akkadian word ettu meaning 'active will.160' She was a major deity all over the western parts of the Near East, including Egypt where she was later considered to be the same Goddess as Libyan Neith. Titles for her include Belet'net 'virgin Anath,' 'Nethebely161 'the destroyer,' and Yebemet-limm 'widow of the nation(?)'162. Her worship extended from the 2nd millenium BCE deep into the Hellenistic Age, when it began to be forced underground. Like the original Athena, she ruled battle, the hunt, and the passage of souls from one world to the next. She was also a Death Goddess who wore the goatskin aegis -- or at least, the Egyptians attributed Neith's aegis to her. This sacred garment has been described as a cloak, apron, breastplate, or shield. In Anath's case, it shifted in function as religious ceremony changed. Originally it was probably a garment worn by each Libyan woman when she came of age, made of cloth and marked with snakes and Moon symbols, or made of many braids of string.

Later it was remade, parts of its feminine symbolism removed and turned into a garment worn during animal sacrifices. Then it was decorated with severed penises, representing both types of death men experience, loss of erection and the ending of their lives.

Those who have been MUSICATED cannot bring themselves to grasp that as promised the WOMEN and CHILDREN (effeminate) rule over you. I just smile and smile because I have read Isaiah 3 written by Christ.

Lucifer (Zoe) replaced 3 tribal stones on the breastplate with wind, string and percussion instruments. Christ in Isaiah 30 says that hell was prepared for him/her and those they can seduce. The SOUNDS of being driven into hell are the same wind, string and percussion instruments. Christ says that Lucifer/Zoe was the singing and harp playing prostitute in the Garden Eden.

When the Levites (an old Egyptian Cult) were to PROPHESY with instruments: the word means a SOOTHSAYER. Why NOT if God turned the musical patternist's APPROVED EXAMPLE over to worship the STARS? The linen garment of the priests was something like a "nighty" garment. The Ephod was a Babylonian vulva still worn by the Pope under his DAGON hat.

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Actually, everywhere you look, it seems, they're dancing in their dresses. So we thus find The Childrens custom of dressing "like a woman," from which the later Christian priests adopted their heavenly skirts. And with the ancient KABIRI statue of a god called Cabeiros,

Plutrarch says they were the astronomers and astrologers of Chaldea around 3200 B.C.
According to Herodotus, they surfaced some 2,000 years after that as an effeminate priesthood in what is now southern Russia and present-day Ukraine. They were called the ENAREE, "endowed by the goddess Venus with the gift of prophecy."

They can also be found transformed into the wild young goat man, PAN [Beast in Revelation], frolicking through the glades. As the GALLI priest [Galatians 5] with (according to another tight-assed academic) their "revolting sensual rites [and] the hermaphroditic element," their drums thundered and cymbals clashed, spreading magic among the onlookers lining the flower-strewn streets.

Heredotus also note what is clear from the MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai, the "god" of the Jews was Bacchus or Dionysus: the same "new wineskin God." The Jews at the time of Christ were addicted to Dionysus worship and wanted to "initiate" Jesus and hoped that John wore the "soft clothing." Zeus (father) and Dionysus (son) were worshipped as the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple. All priests were "gay brotherhoods."


David had these on his staff because he was abandoned to worship the starry host.

"We even have a mention at a later date of a similar custom in connection with the cult in Jerusalem, where certain Levites, called me'oreim, 'AROUSERS,' sang (every morning?) this verse from "Ps 44:23: "Awake, O Lord! Why do you sleep? Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever." The Talmud tells us that John Hyrcanus suppressed the practice because it recalled too readily a pagan custom." (Roland de Vaux, p. 247).

H5172 nâchash naw-khash' A primitive root; properly to hiss, that is, whisper a (magic) spell; generally to prognosticate:-- X certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) X enchantment, learn by experience, X indeed, diligently observe.
H5175 nâchâsh naw-khawsh' From H5172 ; a snake (from its hiss):--serpent.

Ps 58:5 Which will not hearken to the voice [singing] of cha

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2 Chronicles 29: Atchley's authority for instruments.

November 5 2009, 11:58 AM 


The civillians observing Passover with all of those animals had no instruments: I had noted that

1. During all of the atonement for the king, kingdom, temple and people everyone HELD their noise makers.
2. Then, only for the burnt offering of the GOATS for Israel as an appeasement, all of the NOISE making instruments made noise during the BURNING process. However, Christ in Jeremiah etc says that God had not commanded burnt offerings OR sacrifices.
3. Therefore, this fits the patternism of the changelings who GO BEYOND what is written and IMPOSE instruments in an attempt to APPEASE the musical sectarians. That says in a prophetic type that "We will also sin by IMITATING the fall of Israel or the musicators."


2Chr. 29:28 And all
.....the congregation worshipped, No Spiritual Thread permitted.
..... and the singers sang, [did not worship]
..... and the trumpeters sounded: [did not worship]
..... and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.


Because the Levites had been an old Egyptian cult dedicated to making noise during the burning of infants to Molech, and since Molech was worshipped in the wilderness and in Jerusalem, it is thought that the not-commanded burnt offerings were a way to stop the baby burning. However, as soon as Hezekiah had cleansed the temple of pagan idolatry and died little Manesseh resumed the infant burning. That is why Christ in Idaiah 30 defines HELL as specificially prepared for God's enemies: the MARKS or SOUNDS of God already driving His enemies into hell are the wind, string and percussion instruments. That patternism is repeated of the Babylon mother of harlots using the "lusted after fruits" as speakers singers and instrument players John called sorcerers who will burn along with the DOGS who Paul oulawed as the Cynics singing their old style praise tunes to attract mates for the night.

As in Revelation: you have to HOLD your harps and incense bowls while you BOW.

2Chr. 29:29 And when they had made an end of offering,
..... the king and all that were present with him bowed themselves, and worshipped.

2Chr. 29:30 Moreover Hezekiah the king and the princes
.....commanded the Levites to sing praise unto the LORD with the words of David,
..... and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with gladness, and they bowed their heads and worshipped.

The faithful Presbyterians and most older scholars could read the text whereas our changelings are quite willing to quote the first part of the proof-text (probably never read the whole chapter) and deliberately lie about it. It they were honorable people they would discover that this LAST RESORT reallly DENIES that instruments were used AS worship.

Before his death, David ordered:

1Chr. 23:5 Moreover four thousand were porters;
..... and four thousand praised the LORD with the instruments which I made, said David, to praise therewith.

Since they made ONE SOUND and shofars were tuned to ONE NOTE I would think that anyone who said that the Spirit told him to IMPOSE that on a non-instrumental church would do the decent Judas Maneuver:

All told, there were "four thousand (who) praised the Lord with the instruments" of music (I Chron. 23: 5), being divided into twenty-four courses, each consisting of one hundred sixty musicians. Most important of all, we note that "when the burnt-offering began, the song to the Lord also began with the trumpets, accompanied by the instruments" (II Chron. 29:27). "All the congregation worshipped, and the singers sang, and the trumpets sounded," we read, "until the burnt-offering was finished" (v. 28).

Then, "when they had made an end of offering" (v. 29) the people bowed to worship, and sang praises to the Lord without musical accompaniment.

Since the Scripture expressly states that the musical instruments sounded "until the burnt-offering was finished"

the congregational praise which followed must have been a capella. [G.I.Williamson, (Notes on The Biblical Doctrine of Worship, Presbyterian Church of N.A.).]

When the others offered the animals and needed the certified Levites to kill them, we find NO GOATS and NO MUSIC during Passover. There was no "music" in any Passover observation. "Christians" hold EASTER sun rise services and INSIST on using music.

They even make musical noise during the Lord's Supper: seems like that is happen at ACU in one of the DIVERTING groups during the Lord's Supper.

2Chr. 29:31 Then Hezekiah answered and said, Now ye have consecrated yourselves unto the LORD,
.....come near and bring sacrifices and thank offerings into the house of the LORD.
.....And the congregation brought in sacrifices and thank offerings;
.....and as many as were of a free heart burnt offerings.

2Chr. 29:32 And the number of the burnt offerings, which the congregation brought,
..... was threescore and ten bullocks,
..... an hundred rams, and two hundred lambs:
..... all these were for a burnt offering to the LORD.

2Chr. 29:33 And the consecrated things
..... were six hundred oxen
..... and three thousand sheep.


2Chr. 29:36 And Hezekiah rejoiced, and all the people,
..... that God had prepared the people: for the thing was done suddenly.

1. NO INSTRUMENTAL NOISE (4000) during the atonement for Judah
2. Instrumental noise including the MILITARY Levites only during burn offering to RECONCILE Israel. This was NOT commanded.
3. No instrumental noise during the following Passover (No Easter musical with gold covered boar's testicals on the Easter Tree.)

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The Church of Christ did not invent the CENI!

November 10 2009, 11:12 AM 

Rather than making an occupation out of mocking those who defend the CENI to FEND OFF those who insist on imposing instruments into faithful churches, time would better be spent on reading the Word of God and letting it do the talking.

The Bible would be a good place to begin but to give a lie to those who demean the Church of Christ to make themselves feel competent should stop lying that the Church of Christ invented what they consider the evil practice of NOT adding anything knowing it at will discord based on the text and minimal common decency. For instance:

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians: also called Ignatius Theophoros (Greek: "God Bearer") bishop of Antioch, Syria, born in Syria, around the year 50; died at Rome between 98 and 117. Ignatius introduced the practice of alternating sections of the church chanting the Word. Ignatius d. c 110

Sure, no one was such a simple simon that they did not know that the SOLE resource for the ekklesia / synagogue was the WORD OF CHRIST. If one is a disciple of Christ they learn what CHRIST taught including the Prophets and apostles. How silly to think that a disciple of Christ should PAY to become the disciple of Pastor The-0-lite. I never cease to not be amazed that the MASSED MULTITUDES would do that when Jesus invited the few to come OUTSIDE of the massed multitudes to Rest and learn of ME.' Lordy, I would laugh too.

Chapter IX.-Ye Have Given No Heed to False Teachers.

Nevertheless, I have heard of some who have passed on from this to you, having false doctrine, whom ye did not suffer to sow among you, but stopped your ears, that ye might not receive those things which were sown by them, as being stones of the temple of the Father, prepared for the building of God the Father, and drawn up on high by the instrument of Jesus Christ, which is the cross, making use of the Holy Spirit as a rope, while your faith was the means by which you ascended, and your love the way which led up to God.

Ye, therefore, as well as all your fellow-travellers, are God-bearers, temple-bearers, Christ-bearers, bearers of holiness, adorned in all respects with the commandments of Jesus Christ, in whom also I exult that I have been thought worthy, by means of this Epistle, to converse and rejoice with you, because with respect to your Christian life ye love nothing but God only.

Nevertheless, I have heard of some who have passed in among you, holding the wicked doctrine of the strange and evil spirit; to whom ye did not allow entrance to sow their tares, but stopped your ears that ye might not receive that error which was proclaimed by them,

as being persuaded that that spirit which deceives the people does not speak the things of Christ,
......but his own, for he is a lying spirit.
......Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
......He was a murderer from the beginning,
......and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
......for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jn. 8:44

Now, Jesus did not say THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UP THY SONGS AND SERMONS: He just said "for he is a liar and the father of it." Now that sounds pretty LOUD to me.


But the Holy Spirit does not speak His own things, but those of Christ,
......and that not from himself, but from the Lord;
......even as the Lord also announced to us the things that He received from the Father.

When God pours out His wrath in Hebrew it means that He sends BUFFOONS and JESTERS.

For, says He, "the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father's, who sent Me.
......And says He of the Holy Spirit,
......"He shall not speak of Himself, but whatsoever things He shall hear from Me."

Now, just WHERE do you guys get the authority to speak FROM SILENCE: off your meds again?

And He says of Himself to the Father, "I have," says He, "glorified Thee upon the earth; I have finished the work which, Thou gavest Me; I have manifested Thy name to men."

And of the Holy Ghost, "He shall glorify Me, for He receives of Mine."

Whoa! when the "spirit" tells preachers to lie about all of the instrument passages and recorded history, do you IMAGINE that they might be listening to their OWN spirit or an EVIL SPIRIT: a LYING SPIRIT. John lumps sorcerers (musicians, rhetoricians) with liars and DOGS for the BURN PILE: He did NOT say "thou shalt NOT be a sorcerer.?

But the spirit of deceit preaches himself, [oh, gag, yes]
......and speaks his own things, for he seeks to please himself.
......He glorifies himself, for he is full of arrogance.
......He is lying, fraudulent, soothing, flattering, treacherous, rhapsodical, trifling,
......inharmonious, verbose, sordid, and timorous.


From his power Jesus Christ will deliver you, who has founded you upon the rock, as being chosen stones, well fitted for the divine edifice of the Father, and who are raised up on high by Christ, who was crucified for you, making use of the Holy Spirit as a rope, and being borne up by faith, while exalted by love from earth to heaven, walking in company with those that are undefiled.

For, says [the Scripture], "Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord." Now the way is unerring, namely, Jesus Christ. For, says He, "I am the way and the life." And this way leads to the Father.

For "no man," says He, "cometh to the Father but by Me." Blessed, then, are ye who are God-bearers, spirit-bearers, temple-bearers, bearers of holiness, adorned in all respects with the commandments of Jesus Christ, being "a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people," on whose account I rejoice exceedingly, and have had the privilege, by this Epistle, of conversing with "the saints which are at Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus." I rejoice, therefore, over you, that ye do not give heed to vanity, and love nothing according to the flesh, but according to God.

Now: your turn. Find us a Scripture or a scholar who says YOU CAN JUST MAKE UP your own songs and sermons and music. SHOULD be easy.

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The Levites musically MOCKED at the Cross: HOW TO REPEAT IT.

November 12 2009, 4:18 PM 

Galatians 5:16
"So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature."

We often miss the PUNCH LINE.
Paul, and history agrees, that Paul never speaks of "spirit" as a person much less a third member of the Godhead. In Romans 7-8 Paul's conflict was between HIS spirit and HIS flesh. That conflict continues as we speak.

Gal. 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal. 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh:
and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Gal 5:12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

Apokopto (g609) ap-ok-op'-to; from 575 and 2875; to amputate; reflex. (by irony) to mutilate (the privy parts): - cut off. Comp. 2699.

Gregory Nazianzen

Nor are we concerned with Phrygian mutilations and flutes and Corybantes, and all the ravings of men concerning Rhea [Zoe], consecrating people to the mother of the gods, and being initiated into such ceremonies as befit the mother of such gods as these. Nor have we any carrying away of the Maiden, nor wandering of Demeter, nor her intimacy with Celei and Triptolemi and Dragons; nor her doings and sufferings ... for I am ashamed to bring into daylight that ceremony of the night, and to make a sacred mystery of obscenity. Eleusis knows these things, and so do those who are eyewitnesses of what is there guarded by silence, and well worthy of it. Nor is our commemoration one of Dionysus, and the thigh that travailed with an incomplete birth, as before a head had travailed with another; nor of the hermaphrodite god, nor a chorus of the drunken and enervated host; nor of the folly of the Thebans which honours him; nor the thunderbolt of Semele which they adore. Nor is it the harlot mysteries of Aphrodite, who, as they themselves admit, was basely born and basely honoured; nor have we here Phalli and Ithyphalli, shameful both in form and action; nor Taurian massacres of strangers; nor blood of Laconian youths shed upon the altars, as they scourged themselves with the whips; and in this case alone use their courage badly, who honour a goddess, and her a virgin. For these same people both honour effeminacy, and worship boldness.

NOTES: 11 There was a temple of Rhea in Phrygia, in which at her festivals people mutilated themselves to do her honour. The flutes alluded to served to turn the thoughts of the sufferes from the pain of the operation.

The Corybantes were the ministers of the goddess, who led the wild orgies of her worship. It is believed that there is an allusion to this practice of self-mutilation in Galat. v. 12. So at least S. Jerome, S. Ambrose, and all the Greek Fathers take the passage. S. Thomas Aquinas, understanding the word in the same sense, applies it mystically; and Estius, who here follows Erasmus, refers the "cutting off" merely to excommunication, a sense which he calls "Apostolico sensu dignior,"through why "dignior" it is not easy to see. Yet he acknowledges that those who interpret it literally do so "non immerito."
Here is what an agitator does to recrucify Christ

Anastatoo (g387) an-as-tat-o'-o; from a der. of 450 (in the sense of removal); prop. to drive out of home, i.e. (by impl.) to disturb (lit. or fig.): - trouble, turn upside down, make an uproar, to stir up, excite, unsettle to excite tumults and seditions in the state to upset, unsettle, minds by disseminating religious error

Psallo psallô I. In gen., to play upon a stringed instrument; esp., to play upon the cithara, to sing to the cithara: psallere saltare elegantius, Horace Odes 4:13.7. Jucundus, Voluptuosus

Elegant Elego I. to convey away (from the family) by bequest, to bequeath away

Have you noticed that when they resurrected the PSALLO word they KNEW that they would sow discord and DRIVE AWAY the family? This is to RECRUCIFY CHRIST.


Against Catiline [23] In these bands are all the gamblers, all the adulterers, all the unclean and shameless citizens. These boys, so witty and delicate, have learnt not only to love and to be loved, not only to sing and to dance, but also to brandish daggers and to administer poisons; and unless they are driven out, unless they die, even should Catiline die, I warn you that the school of Catiline would exist in the republic.

Horace Odes 4.13
The gods have heard, the gods have heard my prayer;
Yes, Lyce! you are growing old, and still
You struggle to look fair;
You drink, and dance, and trill
Your songs to youthful Love, in accents weak
With wine, and age, and passion. Youthful Love!
He dwells in Chia's cheek,
And hears her harp-strings move.


Melpô, Sing or celebrate a song and dance Melos to which a song is set, tune 3. melody of an instrument, Mouso-polos, on, A.serving the Muses, poetic II. Subst., bard, minstrel, AS THE: Aoidos A.singer, minstrel, bard, 3.enchanter, Eunouchos Eunouchos A.castrated person, eunuch, employed to take charge of the women Gallos, ho, A. priest of Cybele, Used with: Pempô, 2. pompên p. conduct, or take part in, a procession, chorous move in dancing procession, phallos Dionusôi pempomenos carried in procession in his honour

Chrysostom's Commentary on Galatians:

Galatians 5:1.-"With freedom did Christ set us free; stand fast therefore.115 ."

Ver. 12.

"I would that they which unsettle you would even cut themselves off." And he says well "that unsettle you."
"A man that is heretical after the first and second admonition refuse." (Tit. iii: 10) If they will,

let them not only be circumcised, but mutilated.

Where then are those who dare to mutilate themselves; seeing that they draw down the Apostolic curse, and accuse the workmanship of God, and take part with the Manichees? ... But if you will not allow this,

why do you not mutilate the tongue for blasphemy, the hands for rapine, the feet for their evil courses, in short, the whole body?

For the ear enchanted by the sound of a flute hath often enervated the soul;
and the perception of a sweet perfume by the nostrils hath bewitched the mind, and made it frantic for pleasure.

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