Did Christ in the Prophets MARK music as ANTI-Christian?June 28 2010 at 1:00 PM
|Ken Sublett (no login)|
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It is perfectly logical to MARK and AVOID those who understood that there is no role for "music" in the qahal, synagogue, ekklesia or synagogue because of a DIRECT COMMAND, universal history of the synagogue until 1815 and minimal common reverence when Christ comes to be our ONLY teacher when the elders "teach that which has been taught."
That's the way the devil always works: Jesus marked them as "speaking on their own." It would be reasonable for those building their Serf-like support team to lie as the postmodern views defends. However, these people were not required to be Bible readers or Christ-devoted to get "credentials" when Jesus warned that doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge: that is their predestinated role.
See Isaiah 50 which defines the PROPHESIERS whom Zechariah 13 says should be executed by their parents if the continue the MARKS after the SIGNS of Messiah and the apostles are completed.
Isaiah 55 which commands you NOT to support them or you are guilty.
And Isaiah 58 which OUTLAWS seeking your own pleasure or SPEAKING your own words.
Re: Did Christ in the Prophets MARK music as ANTI-Christian?
|June 30 2010, 12:21 PM |
You are a lunatic. Have you sought professional help, there needs to be an intervention.
Christ did; the POPE did not.
|June 30 2010, 3:20 PM |
And you are a change agent? Why don't you seek spiritual help? I'm sure you believe that Christ taught His disciples rah-rah-rah music when He said, "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls" (Matt. 11:29).
Why don't you intervene with your rebuttal? You may need papal advice.
Sums It Up
|July 8 2010, 10:53 AM |
Donnie, your reply to Change Agent sums up you, and all the others that take part in this witch hunt know commonly as Concerned Members. When you tell someone to seek papal advice it proves it. You aren't here to serve man in any way, or to speak the Gospel. You are here to promote trouble, whether that be among the brethren or outsiders. This site never will amount to anything because of this sinful attitude.
You need to become what you abhor......a Change Agent.
Just remember the biggest change agent of them all......Jesus Christ. He changed everything. Praise God for that! Praise God for the Sacrifice of Jesus.
Jesus WAS the change agent.
|July 8 2010, 12:43 PM |
Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would fail in his TRIUMPH OVER Christ: this role was performed by the Levitical musicians but they too failed after musically mocking Him to the "foot of the old rugged cross."
The Judas Box is attached to the spotted flute case to the left. All male musicians of the Judas Type were perverted: the Ox goad is to hold them up because they were worshiping the new wineskin god.
Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels "like dung" so they could not be credited with any healing power.
Jesus consigned the Pipers, singers and dancers to the marketplace where all of the young boy 'chorus leaders' were used and abused.
He identified the end time Babylon mother of harlots in Revelation 17. In Revelation 18 she uses "lusted after fruits" as performing preachers, singers and instrument players. John calls them SORCERERS and consigns them to the Lake of Fire. The DOGS (Catamite, old style praise singers) Paul would not permit in their worship are also consigned to Hell.
It would not be a sign of CHANGE for the end time daughters of the Mother to OUT their hidden agenda: it's in the book and YOU are there to watch the end unfold.
No ... it's seeking help
|July 8 2010, 3:23 PM |
Change Agent called the previous poster a "lunatic" in need to seek "professional help."
I thought the response to "change agent" and being advised to seek religious ["spiritual"] help would be appropriate.
The reference to the papacy was a "tongue-in-cheek" advice.
Change in itself is not abhorrent. But changing the teachings of Christ and His apostles is abhorrent. Just like "changing" the U.S. Constitution (in the political realm) by the left-wing liberals is not acceptable.
Two Wrongs Never Make a Right
|July 9 2010, 9:49 AM |
Donnie, you said, when speaking to Change Agent, that "The reference to the papacy was a "tongue-in-cheek" advice."
It may have been advice Donnie, but it was advice from Satan. It was slander. Period. Change Agent is/was wrong to call anyone a lunatic, but you are no better than he/she for your comment.
Re: Two Wrongs Never Make a Right
|July 9 2010, 12:18 PM |
If i need to apologize for using the term lunatic, i will. The definition of the word from Websters is a person whose actions and manner are marked by extreme eccentricity or recklessness. Seems to fit most of what Ken writes. I would only bold EXTREME in my characterization. There may be other definitions, that is the one i had in mind.
Lunatic vs. lunacy
|July 9 2010, 2:26 PM |
"Lunatic" is generally directed to a person whereas "lunacy" may describe a person's behavior, manner or actions. (Or, even writings.)
There's no need to apologize. You have explained what you meant.
Re: Two Wrongs Never Make a Right
|July 9 2010, 12:26 PM |
I have never advocated the changing the teaching of Christ or his Apostles. I will further promise not to twist scriptures to make them seem to say something they do not. Much less will i use sources outside scripture as some kind of proof text to demonstrate the truth of what I believe. I really try to listen to those who disagree with me on what God's Holy word says or what it means. And i am always willing to consider my own position in light of what God's word says. I will be quick to admit i don't have all the answers much less know all the questions. But neither did those who came before me including those who physically walked and learned from Jesus himself. Peace
Note To Change Agent
|July 9 2010, 1:58 PM |
Believe this, Change Agent, that Donnie Cruz (Concerned), Bill Crump, Ken Sublett, and the gang here doesn't allow the Truth to get in the way for a good character assasination. They never have. All this forum is, has always been, and always will be, is arms and legs for the evil one. I appreciate you, Change Agent, for having the courage to stand up against those who would try (KEY WORD=TRY) to water down the Truth.
Just don't allow these men here to bring you down to their level by getting you into a slander tirade. They feel as though they have won when they see you slander people. They are only hypocrites. They merely do the very same thing for what they accuse you of doing.
|July 9 2010, 2:48 PM |
ConcernedMembers did not initially come up with the expression "change agent." But it has become the accepted terminology to describe anyone who advocates radical changes to that which has long been established -- whether it is social, political or governmental, religious, etc.
We don't know you that well [not yet anyway], but we are a little surprised at how you've named yourself as a "Change Agent." In light of the accepted meaning of that expression today, i.e. Knowing now your willingness and interest in learning God's truth and in discussing doctrinal matters, and from your writings so far, you hardly fit that description -- as someone advocating changing the teaching of Christ and His apostles.
OK, then, let's all discuss religious matters and issues civilly.
Thanks for participating.
What about three wrongs?
|July 9 2010, 2:14 PM |
"Seeking papal advice" was a facetious comment -- know that. No Christian would seek papal advice. Billy Graham would not do that. Not Al Maxey -- your spiritual guru. Certain cardinals and archbishops in the Roman Catholic Church might do so.
Concerned Members is Not of Christ
|July 9 2010, 3:12 PM |
Donnie, your comment about me, of "Not Al Maxey -- your spiritual guru.", just cements the fact that you, nor this concerned member's site, are in it for the Love of God.
23"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters.
Donnie, since you and this site aren't for Christ, then you are against Him....an agent of Satan.
Al Maxey -- Friend or Foe of "The Cross of Christ"?
|July 9 2010, 3:45 PM |
Your doctrinal guru, Al Maxey, is one of the more prominent "change agents" in the brotherhood. He should be exposed to brethren and churches across the county and world for his "inconsistent teachings and irresponsible actions, including harsh, unfair, and unjust criticisms of others [the church, brethren and congregations].
The "Community Church Movement," including Al Maxey's participation, is "NOT OF CHRIST." His interest is in "revisioning" and transforming the church of Christ into being just like "the other [denomi]nations"; in rewriting the Restoration Movement history; etc.
And you are a disciple of Al Maxey, whether or not you are aware of it or you like it.
We Knew.....Now We Know
|July 9 2010, 4:24 PM |
Donnie, when you speak of me and tell me "Your doctrinal guru, Al Maxey.....And you are a disciple of Al Maxey, whether or not you are aware of it or you like it.", again just speaks volumes of you and this site and the nature of this site.
It is not beholding to God nor His Son.
Oh, by the way, when you tell me that I may not like being a disciple of Al Maxey......I don't have to like it Donnie, because it's not so. I am a disciple of Christ, which makes you a liar.
Not "a disciple of"
|July 9 2010, 5:23 PM |
It is not an impossibility to become a disciple of one leader or of another. You have quoted quite a bit from Al Maxey and his writings. He is undoubtedly one of the Restoration revisionists and one to go along with the religious societal flow. Just like Max Lucado, Rick Atchley, Rubel Shelly, et al, -- all having in common with Rick Warren, pastor of the Saddleback Community Church in CA.
These prominent change agents operating in the brotherhood are a destructive, divisive force in the body of Christ.
Is it a surprise that your affinity for the use of musical machines in the assembly is one of those ties that bind these change agents together?
No, I think not.
The MARK (bite) of the BEAST
|July 9 2010, 4:03 PM |
Li'l David play on yo harp: I have warned you that effeminate music in the "holy place" which would have gotten musicians slaughtered even in the most vile pagan temple IS the mark of the BEAST (ZOE).
While doing a collection of the baptism words and links to the document, something happened that left me more certain. When looking up the word "damned" promised to those who call Jesus a liar when He connected water baptism to the remission of sins so that WE have A holy spirit,
The word that just popped up is "Epi-triptos" which says in clear terms that the "beast" music is a sign of the DAMNED. Remember I told you that the Spirit Christ warned us that the MARK in sight and sound of God driving His enemies into hell was wind, string and percussioon instruments. These were the same ones Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute brought into the Garden of Eden when he/she/it was "cast as profane" (David's praise word) out of heaven.
The word speaks of the "kinados" or the damned fox or wolves which are elders who let the "dogs" inside when Paul warned against it (Philippians 3). These are the "dogs" Paul left in the marketplace and silenced them in the holy place devoted SOLELY to the Word of God. They are signs of Bacchus or Dionysus worship being PROMOTED by the New Wineskins invasions. These ARE the beasts.
The are cursed Therion marked by drama or trying to use the HYPOCRITIC arts to define God or His Word. h mousik aei ti kainon thrion tiktei That means a NEW STYLE of song or drama. That could only happen where the music word means "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter" or to "silence th voice of the victim." It was always called Sacred Violence. Of course the Purpose Driven Cult calls it 'holy entertainment."
More later, rain is taking me off the Sattelite.
What a Imagination
|July 11 2010, 12:29 AM |
Got to give you credit.....if nothing else, you have a vivid imagination. Not grounded on any of God's Truths, but yet great entertainment for Hollywood. Send some of your writings into some of the major TV networks. This is the kind of stuff that they only dream of.