Speaking in tongues and Singing performers: Part OneOctober 5 2010 at 11:47 PM
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Many or most are CALLED but FEW are chosen: chosen as if by fire only for those who diligently seek Him. If you violate Christ's command against SPEAKING YOU OWN WORDS (Isaiah 5) and seeking your own pleasure, Christ says that there is NO LIGHT in you. The Law and the Testimony by the Spirit OF Christ cannot be ammended.
Paul floods his letters with allusions or words which identify all performance music with the practices of pagans where they had no God-given mysteries to use for teaching: performance was the tool for attracting all of the loose butterflies who were then put into a mental (charismatic) state during which their pockets could be picked.
Rather than Paul preaching "unity in diversity" the claim of spiritual gifts to make their imgination into a spirit-revealed message does just the opposite. Not surprising that any institution needing to WORK UP a set of rituals would not be able to comprehend the simple text. For instance.
2Pet. 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things,
....be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pet. 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
....even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom
....given unto him hath written unto you;
Jesus told Paul that he would have to SEE and HEAR Him after the resurrection to be guided into all truth. Peter calls that Scripture which was PERFECTED part by part by eye-- an ear--witnesses of Jesus of Nazareth. That's why a phenomena so RADICALLY OUTLAWED is
eyed with suspicion by those who listen to Paul VERY CAREFULLY. When the speaker loses confidence in the one they are affirming, the tongues will cease, and as with the women seduced by Montanus, they will feel used.
2Pet. 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
....in which are some things hard to be understood,
....which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,
....as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
G793 astriktos as-tay'-rik-tos From G1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivation of G4741 ; unfixed, that is, (figuratively) vacillating:unstable.
A STABLE person cannot be DISSOCIATED
by any kind of music which John and the Greek texts call SORCERY. THEY are unmovable and cannot be SHAKEN: they possess reverence and Godly fear remmbering that GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE.
G4761 streblo streb-lo'-o From a derivative of G4762 ; to wrench, that is, (specifically) to torture (by the rack), but only figuratively to pervert:wrest
G4762 streph stref'-o Strengthened from the base of G5157 ; to twist, that is, turn quite around or reverse (literally or figuratively):convert, turn (again, back again, self, self about).
Peter warned us to SAVE OURSELVES from this CROOKED RACE.
The word GOD has to be qualified. Notice that Stephen identified the idolatry at Mount Sina
NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEE THE "GOD"
OF THE UNSTABLE AND PAUL'S GOD DEFIND AS MY GOD
used in contrast
1Cor. 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men,
but unto God: for no man understandeth him;
howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
NO MAN CAN UNDERSTAND: NO MAN CAN INTERPRET: HE IS PAGANIZING
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
and the star of YOUR GOD
figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Paul uses the term MY GOD: there are MANY gods but only ONE Lord Jesus. Paul is identifying the mostly "Mad Women of Corinth"
God is: Theos , Natural phenomena, the SUN, the weather, the stars, Zeus, Jupiter, Saturn (666)
This is the SAME GOD in Amos, Isaiah and in Jerusalem condemned by Stephen and Jesus.
The word SPEAK as in "speak one to another" is defined specificially as the opposite of poetry or music: clanging gongs and tinkling cymbal and blowing trumpets which are for CERTAIN SIGNALS ONLY.
Lal-eo , A. talk, chat, prattle b. generally, talk, speak, NEW DIALECT
Speaking to the GENERIC GOD
Paul is defining a pantomime, II. chatter, opp. articulate speech, as of
LOCUSTS, chirp, III. of musical sounds, aul (pipes) lale Theoc.20.29; sound the magadis (harp)
That is why Paul compared tongues to LIFELESS INSTRUMENTS of CARNAL WEAPONS. We do not WRESTLE (play the harp) againsts the evil POWERS OF THE [b[AIR.
THEY SPEAK MYSTERIES:
Mustri-on (of the mysteries of the Cabiri (gender-bent)in Samothrace), etc.; esp. those of Demeter at Eleusis,2. mystic implements and ornaments, properties, such as were carried to Eleusis at the celebration of the mysteries, object used in magical rites (phalic), talisman, . ts anomias the mystery of iniquity, 2 Ep.Thess.2.7;
Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery
of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her,
which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Mystery can also mean a SECRET REVEALED BY GOD. We don't know of anyone but Paul who revealed the SECRETS and he promised that he would reveal by LETTERS.
Then, having acquired a knowledge of the Greek tongue, she set up an oracle. She also mentioned that her sister had been sold for a slave into Libya by the same persons as herself.
PEEPING AND MURMURING
The Dodonaeans called the women doves because they were foreigners,
and seemed to them to make a noise like birds.
After a while the dove spoke with a human voice, because the woman,
whose foreign talk had previously sounded to them like the chattering of a bird,
acquired the power of speaking what they could understand.
êcheion 2. Adj. êcheion organon sounding instrument, III. basin used as a cymbal
or drum, Hdt.6.58; of the gong at Dodona
The DOVE Parable is to prove that Jesus is the SON of a FATHER rather than the DAUGHTER of a MOTHER.
Performance singing and speaking in tongues: Part Two
|October 5 2010, 11:56 PM |
Some background to the Dove Parable: no, the Spirit OF Christ does not look like or flutter (blow) like a dove.
"The spirits were thought to speak in murmurings or piping sounds (Isa 8:19), which could be imitated by the medium (ventriloquist)...Most spiritual and popular was the interpretation of dreams. It also was the case that mediums intentionally would convert themselves into a semi-waking trance. In this way the suitable mediums attained to a certain kind of clarvoyance, found among various peoples. This approaches the condition of an ecstatically aroused pseudo-prophet.. In Greece, too, oracles were pronounced by the Phythian prophetess who by vapors and the like was aroused to a practice of the mantic art. (Int Std Bible Ency, p. 2466)
And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep (coo or chirp), and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? Isaiah 8:19
Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word,
....it is because there is no light in them.
NOW NOTICE PAUL SPECIFIES MY GOD
1Cor. 14:18 I thank MY God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
1Cor. 14:19 Yet in the church
....I had rather speak five words with my understanding,
....that by my voice I might teach others also,
....than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Because Paul commanded that we use "that which is written for our education" and the way to glorify or praise God, why wouldn't five words from Romans 15:1 be better than ten thousand words of false doctrine by Twila Paris?
If people had rather gibber ten thousand words which NO MAN UNDERSTANDS in their MIND
, instead of speaking FIVE WORDS from Jesus Christ then Paul is saying that MY GOD is not THEIR GOD.
Did I tell you about an educated preacher and very elite elders decided to "raise their Eben-Ezer" by everyone stacking up an altar of brick? Well, let that sink in.
Performance and musical instrument simulation
|October 6 2010, 3:55 PM |
The Praise Team in certain neo-church of Christ congregations may be skilled in its musical performance during the "contemporary worship service."
There are many "praise" songs that were purposely written with the accompaniment of musical instruments. Since it is still the common practice that performing or operating mechanically musical instruments "in worship" is "forbidden," the Praise Team has its way around the issue.
Not only does the Praise Team REHEARSE its "worship" performances (to/for the congregation) in advance, it also learns, practices and ultimately performs the simulation or emulation of the sounds (or noises) of instruments.
We know about the musical noise. Therefore, we know about the emulation of musical noise -- the sounds are unintelligible. This seems to be the "Worship Leader's" (Choir Director's) concept of "teaching and admonishing one another with the word of Christ."
Paul equates musical intruments to witchcraft and warfare
|October 6 2010, 9:37 PM |
PAUL IS WARNING ABOUT PAGANISM AND DEMONISM (1 Corinthians 10). In 1 Corinthians 11:5 he warns about the "uncovered women prophesiers"
who claimed that they spoke angelic voices.
The Mad Women in Corinth claimed to be in contact with the "angels
" and Paul warns about the uncovered prophesying in 1 Cor 11:5 outside of the assembly. When you hear tongues or gongs and clangs in the assembly it is a SIGN that the unbelievers have taken control.
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 1 Co.11:10
Even IF they prophesying women COULD speak with the tongues of angels Paul uses "sounding brass and tinkling cymbals" as a MARK that there could not POSSIBLY be any love--except the love for "the clank of coins into the prostitutes collection box."
EVEN IF you could speak with the voice of agels: He did not say that THEY DID. Not even giving your body to be purned would trump love in the assembly for SPEAKING THE WORDS OF CHRIST ONLY.
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity,
...... I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal
Paul said he WOULD NOT DO that in church which is a school (only) of the Words of Christ.
PAUL IS SPEAKING OF THE WOMEN WORSHIPING THE FALLEN ANGELS. This was the ancient but now triving Gnosticism
7. Here Porphyry has given an ancient classification of spiritual beings into four orders, the gods, dæmons or guardians, the heroes or half-gods, and souls. There were other distinctions in the Eastern countries, and we find Abammon, the Teacher, adding to these the archangels, angels, and archons of both the higher and lower nature. These were named in several of the Gnostic categories that were extant at that period.
......"We have no conflict with blood and flesh," says the Christian apostle, "but with archonates, authorities, the world-rulers of this dark region, and spiritual forces of evil in the upper heavens."
Col. 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers,
he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col. 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col. 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward
in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels,
intruding into those things which he hath not seen,
......vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind
Vincent notes: Render delighting in humility. This rendering is well supported by Septuagint usage. See 1 Sam. xviii. 22; 2 Sam. xv. 26; 1 Kings x. 9; 2 Chronicles ix. 8. 200 It falls in, in the regular participial series, with the other declarations as to the vain conceit of the teachers; signifying not their purpose or their wish to deprive the Christians of their reward, but their vain enthusiasm for their false doctrine, and their conceited self-complacency which prompted them to sit as judges. The worship of angels involved a show of humility, an affectation of superior reverence for God, as shown in the reluctance to attempt to approach God otherwise than indirectly: in its assumption that humanity, debased by the contact with matter, must reach after God through successive grades of intermediate beings.
James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious,
Worship of angels (qrhskeia). See on religious, Jas. i. 26. Defining the direction which their humility assumed. The usage of the Septuagint and of the New Testament limits the meaning to the external aspects of worship. Compare Acts xxvi. 5; Jas. i. 27.
......and bridleth not his tongue,
......but deceiveth his own heart,
......this mans religion is vain.
Speaking of the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai:
1 Corinthians 10; Romans 10.
"It is a great mistake to imagine that back of their idolatry and their idol sacrifices there is nothing but an empty vacuity. True enough, as 1 Cor 8:4 makes plain, the gods of the idols have no existence whatever; no being by the name of Jupiter exists, and this is true with respect to all other gods. But something does exist, something that is far more terrible than these pseudo-gods, namely an entire kingdom of darkness which is hostile to God, a host of demons or fallen angels who are ruled by the greatest of their number, namely Satan, Eph. 2:3; 6:12. (Lenski)Enoch 7:1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days,
...... that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.
2 And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other,
......Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men,
......and let us beget children.
See the generation of Vipers and the Crooked Generation
(3) An Aramaic text reads "Watchers" here (J.T. Milik, Aramaic Fragments of Qumran Cave 4 [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1976], p. 167).
Dan. 4:17 This matter IS by the decree of the watchers
, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
Clement in Stromata I
For the false prophets possessed the prophetic name dishonestly,
being prophets, but prophets of the liar.
For the Lord says, "Ye are of your father the devil; and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
......When he speaketh a lie,
......he speaketh of his own;
......for he is a liar, and the father of it."
But among the lies, the false prophets also told some true things. And in reality they prophesied "in an ecstasy, as" 192 the servants of the apostate. And the Shepherd, the angel of repentance, says to Hermas, of the false prophet:
Note: 192 [The devil can quote Scripture. Hermas, p. 27,
"For he speaks some truths.
......For the devil fills him with his own spirit,
......if perchance he may be able to cast down any one from what is right."
The Spirit of Christ warned of His own writings to define the Chistian age and Peter repeated:
Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony:
if they speak not according to this word,
...... it is because there is no light in them.
Peter warned that the unstable wrest Paul's writings to their own destruction. It is logical that they promote that which Paul radically condemned for those "diligently seeking."
Instruments, Tongues, Silencing the Voice of the Victim: clapping all the way!
|October 8 2010, 5:07 PM |
Easy to recognize the TRUTH from the FALSE: what comes to the "spirit" will be put into the MIND and spoken or interpreted as a "NEW REVELATION FROM GOD."
1Cor. 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation
, or by knowledge
, or by prophesying
, or by doctrine
Nothing is done which is not edifying which means exclusively for a disciple, EDUCATING with something they have never heard or read. All of history records it as madness.
Rev. 16:13 And I saw three unclean SPIRITS
come out of the mouth of the dragon, (Something to fascinate, fabulous, caturing)
and out of the mouth of the beast,
......thrion "A New Style of Music or drama)
and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
(pretended foreteller or religious impostor: untrue testifier)
Rev. 16:14 For they are the SPIRTS of devils,
working miracles (Signs), which go forth unto the kings of the earth
and of the whole world,
to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev. 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
......and they see his shame.
Rev. 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon
This is not a War of the Worlds but the War of Words: the year is 2010 and you are there.
Mocking is anything you do or speak which "silences the voice of the victim
." That is why music was always known as "sacred violence
" with the purpose of "making the lambs silent before the slaugter." That is why they were known as parasites or QUACKS
If YOU refuse to let the elders "teach that which has been taught" or "that which is written for our learning" which is SPIRIT in Ephesians 5 and the WORDS of Christ in Colossians 3 then YOU are "making the Lamb of God silent" while you speak,
5 Moses tells pharaoh, Exodus viii. 10. "The frogs shall be removed, that thou mayest know that there is none like the Lord our God.
The magicians could bring up frogs, but not remove them. They brought plagues, but took away none -But if the driving out the frogs was such an evidence of the distinguishing power of the Almighty;
......how much more the driving out devils from the bodies and souls of men,
......silencing their oracles, turning them out of their temples,
......and out of those who used curious arts, as at Ephesus,
...... and afterwards abolishing their worship through the Roman empire
For the gods that were worshipped in the heathen world, were devils, Psal. cvi. 3 Deut. xxxii. 17. Lev. xvii.
......7 -Christ, by the prevailing of the Christian religion,
......cast out those devils out of the very land of Egypt
And which was the greatest work, to drive the frogs out of Egypt,
......or to drive out the impure spirits that were the gods of Egypt?
It is spoken of, Isa. xix. 1. As a glorious manifestation of the majesty of God, that he should ride on a swift cloud, and should come into Egypt, and the idols of Egypt should be moved at his presence. See also Jeremiah xliii. 12. But when Christ came into Egypt, in the preaching of his gospel, he moved, dispossessed, and banished the idols of Egypt, and abolished them out of the world
And not only did Christ thus drive away the devils, the false gods, out of Egypt, but out of all the nations round about Canaan, that were known by the Israelites, even to the utmost extent of the then known heathen world.
These gods were by Christ dispossessed of their ancient tenements, which they had holden age after age, time out of mind They were utterly abolished; so that they have had no worshippers now for a great many ages, no temples, no sacrifices, no honours done them They are old, obsolete things now, utterly disregarded in the world. Jonathan Edwards, Misc. Observations.
When Christ breaths Spirit He teaches.
|October 10 2010, 8:14 PM |
Both in Hebrew and Greek the "spirit" word never means more literally than WIND. When is used in the "inspiration" sense God "BREATHES" on people and the results are WORDS of God Who IS Holy or Wholly Spirit
John 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side.
Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you:
as my Father hath sent me,
even so send I you.
John 20:22 And when he had said this,
he breathed on them,
and saith unto them,
Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
It is clear that Jesus is speaking of something in the future when WIND and FIRE were signs in the upper room.
John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them;
and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
That was something Jesus Christ with full authority of Father, Son and Spirit bestowed only on the apostles.
When Paul was ordained to be an apostle the Spirit Lord "Jesus of Nazareth" said that he would have to SEE him and hear His VOICE.
When the Spirit was POURED OUT this was fully accomplished at one time and place. When the WIND fell on Cornelius "FELL" carries the same violent signs as the WIND and FIRE in the upper room:
Epipipt , Attack, A. fall upon or over II. . fall upon in hostile sense, attack, assail, of winds meeting one another,
Whatever "fell" literally drove the doubting Jews "out of their wits" and Peter said in effect: "I dare you to deny my right to baptize Cornelius and his band. Speaking "Judean" would not astound men who spoke "Judean."
You never want the BREATH OF GOD to fall on you.
The apostles would RECEIVE the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost when Jesus Christ in Spirit returned to the apostles
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you,
That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death,
till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
At the transfiguration they wanted to group Jesus with Moses and Elijah:
Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them:
and a voice came out of the cloud, saying,
This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Matt. 16:27 For the Son of man shall come
in the glory of his Father with his angels;
and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matt. 16:28 Verily I say unto you,
There be some standing here,
which shall not taste of death,
till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom
The reign of Jesus Christ in His kingdom began on the day of Pentecost: those who believed the promise "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." Those who "believeth not" refused to comply and they were MARKED as in revolt against God and treacherous
The SON of God is the personified WORD of God. The operative word for everyone else is to HEAR HIM. The woman at the Well grasped what the apostles did not yet grasp: when Messias comes He will TELL US ALL THINGS.
When Jesus BREATHED on the Apostles and told them to receive the Holy Spirit, Luke recorded that to mean:
Acts 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus,
of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up,
after that HE through the Holy Spirit (Breath )
had given commandments
unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
BY DEFINITION OTHER THAN SPIRIT BEING PERSONIFIED, God speaks by a Holy Wind or Breath: the Son is the articulated word. Neither the Son (word) nor the Spirit (breath) originates any words.
Psa. 33:6 By the (1) word of the (3) LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the (3) breath of his mouth.
Psa. 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap:
he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Psa. 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Psa. 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Paul compared the Holy Spirit to the Mind of Christ (1 Cor 2). The ONLY function of the breath or spirit of God was to INSTRUCT those who have been enabled after baptism or conversion.
Having A holy spirit always drives you back to the original Words which Jesus called "Spirit and Life" (John 6:63)
The Apostles only received the Words of the personified Word when He breathed on them.
The signs of WIND and FIRE filled the upper room only on the Apostles.
The Apostles manifested this by speaking in all of the languages of the pilgrims.
Peter opened the door by showing how one could be baptized into Christ.
No one else received any such power after the four promised SIGNS.
In the presence and touch of an apostle speaking in tongues was not a utilitarian gift
It was to mark the authority of the apostles (only) and the Word:
Heb. 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;
which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Heb. 2:4 God also bearing them witness,
both with signs and wonders,
and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost,
according to his own will?
If you think you should speak the tongues of angels!
Heb. 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb. 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying,
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man,
that thou visitest him?
Heb. 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels;
but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
The Last Will and Testament has been probated: everyone is too young to participate.
The Constitution of the US has been validated: everyone is too late.
It would be a terminal repudiation of God in Jesus Christ to demand that God treat US as if Jesus had not died on the cross and been resurrected to make him an eternal Son because His body has been changed.
A Holy Wind is Kamakaze.