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Rancor-Acts 16:Progressives: Apollyon leader of Musical Worship Team:

October 17 2010 at 6:14 PM
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In the days of Jesus the job of the Scribes and Pharisees--doctors of the law, hypocrites as speakers, singers and instrument players was to try to silence Jesus Christ. That is the meaning of exorcists doing sacrificial music keeping you silent so the priests called "heretics" can lift you up to cut your throat. That's the end of almost all humans.

They deny that Christ the Spirit guiding Paul had even the minimal ability to find a word meaning
"play and an instrument." Psallo means to pluck a bowstring or the hair out of your head. Here are some words Christ the Spirit COULD have used if He had a Phd from ACU.

To a simple simon Greek swine trader in the marketplace, you would need a distinct word for each instrument you wanted to play. There are NO such words in the entire Bible and if you try to keep people out of the kingdom with the PSALLO word all history notes that you HAVE been plucked.

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Try This Response Again

October 25 2010, 6:21 PM 

Either Donnie or Ken would not post this, so I will try it again. Donnie said that Ken isn't against singing, as far as congregational singing.

Ken Sublett said this....
"Cain was angry because God refused to accept what scholars understand to be the FERTILITY RITUALS marked by emotional speaking, singing, playing instruments and all of the histrionics."
"No, Bill, that is where we get into serious TROUBLE. Paul used the word SPEAK. You know, SPEAK as in SPEAK and not SANG."
"Paul used the word PSALLO and ODE in the same message: as you cannot WALK and RUN at the same time, you cannot SING and SPEAK at the same time otherwise Paul would NOT have used defining words.
However, if a SINGER or guitarIST (PARASITE) ventured into the holy places he would be executed."

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Re: Try This Response Again

October 25 2010, 9:00 PM 

So Dave has this obsession about Ken and harps about it incessantly. happy.gif

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Re: Try This Response Again

October 25 2010, 11:00 PM 


It appears that you've quoted the above from different posts and out of context. Let's consider each one nonetheless:

(1) Cain's anger and the "FERTILITY RITUALS" -- I see nothing wrong with the statement regarding "emotional speaking, singing, playing instruments." The part you missed completely (just because "singing" is included, and FYI, singing falls into that category also) is "all of the histrionics." ["Histrionic" is defined as: characteristic of acting or a stage performance, gestures; an attitude of melodramatic despair; a theatrical pose.]

(2) "... Paul used the word SPEAK. You know, SPEAK as in SPEAK and not SANG [Southern for 'SING' happy.gif ]." Isn't that clear and self-explanatory?

(3) "However, if a SINGER or guitarIST (PARASITE) ventured into the holy places he would be executed." There is no place for the undefiled, pollution, strange events in the holy place.

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How Long Can You Tread Water?

October 26 2010, 10:32 PM 

Fred Whaley asked you gents...."Why does there have to be so much negativity, cynicism and pettiness?"
Between that and Fred talking about William Crump's GROUP WHOOP...well....this CONCERNED ship is finally going down.
No way to save it.
....and then the icing on the cake......Donnie trying to right the great bastion of NO SANGING Ken Sublett.

Acts 16:25
About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them.
Not SANGING Donnie, but I will take that SINGING any day of the week.

Forget the bilge pump or bucket gents.......just abandon the ship.
If you can swallow your pride long enough.....I would like to recommend you all the best life preserver......JESUS CHRIST!

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Re: How Long Can You Tread Water?

June 15 2017, 10:32 AM 

Donnie said that Ken isn't against singing, as far as congregational singing.

Makes for a short post! Thanks!

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Re: How Long Can You Tread Water?

June 15 2017, 12:43 PM 

It would be a good redeeming compromise if you can find anyone "SINGING that which is written for our LEARNING."

I would be somewhat apppeased if you could find a group which either understands, practices or does not TWIST this direct command: Notice that Jesus is still the HEAD of His Body and the Senior Pastor who speaks OUT of his mind and MAKES YOU PAY EVERY DAY is not.

Col. 3:15 And let the peace [quiet, REST] of God RULE in your hearts, the which also ye are called in ONE body; and be ye thankful.
Col. 3:16 Let the WORD of Christ
.....dwell in you richly in all wisdom;
TEACHING and admonishing [Put in Mind, intellect, understanding]
.....ONE ANOTHER psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
.....singing with grace IN YOUR hearts to the Lord.
Col. 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed,
.....DO all in the NAME of the Lord Jesus, thanks to God and the Father by him.

If you let THE WORD dwell in your heart BEFORE you sang and clang you would not be able to TELL AND SELL and mock the Word, Logos or God's REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE.

This will be a good place to recommend that you SING with UNDERSTANDING Psalm 106. I will tell you some questions the Theologians-Anti-Bible scholars should understand before they use the Judas Pattern. When Judas failed Jesus gave him the MARK for satan to INDWELL him: SOP has the same root meaning as PSALLO which Jesus hand fed to all of the progressives. Again, I remind them that is not the FIRST ORDER sin but the MARK that they are roaming spiritis OF the WORLD ORDER seeking whom they might devour. Jude used the idolatry at Mount Sinai to inform those with a need to know that they are BAAAACK and they were FOREORDAINED. Locusts are the MUSES led by Apollon now as SHEPHERDESSES of the flock DRIVING OUT the faithful and collectivizing those OF the World. They are the DUST people in Genesis which readers will grasp as Aborigines now assaulting the whole world.

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Psalm 106 Lights the Fires for the "Progressives."

June 15 2017, 3:00 PM 

Those whose DISLEXIA transmutes the word SPEAK to mean SING and transmute "that which is written for our learning" into what WE GONNA DO CAUSE WE GONNA DO IT and psallo in the Heart (silent) into Rock and Role just blasting in our youth group miss the point that Jesus defined Scripture for His new Creation RESERVED UNTO FIRE as the Prophets and other prompechies concerning Him. That is to MARK those who are forced to PROMOTE that to which God abandoned and cursed the Jews.

There are many Psalms which which are not required to become a doctor of the law required to "take away the key to knowledge" which no one will SING or even read because the VEIL is still over their eyes.

I will mark some key words for no one to be interested in but exposing them will be deposited when they hear DEPART FROM ME.

If you have a grasp of Hebrew "singing" you can separate Psalm 106 into syllables and sing it with one, two or three notes. But, my thesis is that God in Christ will not permit anyone from "singing" that which is written for THE LEARNERS.

You will note that much or most of the Bible is written in a parallel form where the second clause amplifies or contradicts the first. This permits antiphonal SPEAKING one to another where you come to the assembly to learn or REPEAT only that which god has supplied.

Psa. 106:1 Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD;
.....for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psa. 106:2 Who can utter the mighty acts of the LORD?
.....who can shew forth all his praise?

Psa. 106:3 Blessed are they that keep judgment,
.....and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

Psa. 106:4 Remember me, O LORD, with the favour that thou bearest unto thy people:
.....O visit me with thy salvation;

Psa. 106:5 That I may see the good of thy chosen,
.....that I may rejoice in the gladness of thy nation,
.....that I may glory with thine inheritance.

Psa. 106:6 We have sinned with our fathers,
.....we have committed iniquity,
.....we have done wickedly.

Psa. 106:7 Our fathers understood not thy wonders in Egypt;
.....they remembered not the multitude of thy mercies;
.....but provoked him at the sea, even at the Red sea.

Psa. 106:8 Nevertheless he saved them for his name’s sake,
.....that he might make his mighty power to be known.

Psa. 106:9 He rebuked the Red sea also,
.....and it was dried up: he led them through the depths, through the wilderness.

Psa. 106:10 And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them,
.....and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy.

Psa. 106:11 And the waters covered their enemies:
.....there was not one of them left.

Psa. 106:12 Then believed they his words;
.....they sang his praise.

Psa. 106:13 They soon forgat his works;
.....they waited not for his counsel:

Psa. 106:14 But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness,
.....and tempted God in the desert.

Psa. 106:15 And he gave them their request;
.....but sent leanness into their soul.

Psa. 106:16 They envied Moses also in the camp,
.....and Aaron the saint of the LORD.

Psa. 106:17 The earth opened and swallowed up Dathan,
.....and covered the company of Abiram.

Psa. 106:18 And a fire was kindled in their company;
.....the flame burned up the wicked.

Psa. 106:19 They made a calf in Horeb,
.....and worshipped the molten image.

Psa. 106:20 Thus they changed their glory
.....into the similitude of an ox that eateth grass.

Psa. 106:21 They forgat God their saviour,
.....which had done great things in Egypt;

Psa. 106:22 Wondrous works in the land of Ham,
.....and terrible things by the Red sea.

Psa. 106:23 Therefore he said that he would destroy them,
.....had not Moses his chosen stood before him in the breach, turn away his wrath, lest he should destroy them.

Psa. 106:24 Yea, they despised the pleasant land,
.....they believed not his word:

Psa. 106:25 But murmured in their tents,
.....and hearkened not unto the voice of the LORD.

Psa. 106:26 Therefore he lifted up his hand against them, overthrow them in the wilderness:

Psa. 106:27 To overthrow their seed also among the nations,
.....and to scatter them in the lands.

Psa. 106:28 They joined themselves also unto Baalpeor,
.....and ate the sacrifices [dung] of the dead.

Psa. 106:29 Thus they provoked him to anger with their inventions:
.....and the plague brake in upon them.

Psa. 106:30 Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment:
.....and so the plague was stayed.

Psa. 106:31 And that was counted unto him for righteousness
.....unto all generations for evermore.

Psa. 106:32 They angered him also at the waters of strife, that it went ill with Moses for their sakes:

Psa. 106:33 Because they provoked his spirit, that he spake unadvisedly with his lips.

Psa. 106:34 They did not destroy the nations,
.....concerning whom the LORD commanded them:

Psa. 106:35 But were mingled among the heathen,
.....and learned their works.

Psa. 106:36 And they served their idols:
.....which were a snare unto them.

Psa. 106:37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters
.....unto devils,

Psa. 106:38 And shed innocent blood,
.....even the blood of their sons and of their daughters,
.....whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan:
.....and the land was polluted with blood.

Psa. 106:39 Thus were they defiled with their own works,
.....and went a whoring with their own inventions.

Psa. 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people,
.....insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

Psa. 106:41 And he gave them into the hand of the heathen;
.....and they that hated them ruled over them.

Psa. 106:42 Their enemies also oppressed them,
.....and they were brought into subjection under their hand.

Psa. 106:43 Many times did he deliver them;
.....but they provoked him with their counsel,
.....and were brought low for their iniquity.

Psa. 106:44 Nevertheless he regarded their affliction,
.....when he heard their cry:

Psa. 106:45 And he remembered for them his covenant,
.....and repented according to the multitude of his mercies.

Psa. 106:46 He made them also to be pitied
.....of all those that carried them captives.

Psa. 106:47 Save us, O LORD our God,
.....and gather us from among the heathen, give thanks unto thy holy name,
.....and to triumph in thy praise.

1471. ywø…g gowy, go´-ee; rarely (shortened) y…Og goy, go´-ee; apparently from the same root as 1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence, a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts:—Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

Psa. 106:48 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting to everlasting:
.....and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD.

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Did God Sing? YES!

June 16 2017, 8:37 AM 

Bible Question:

Where in the Bible does God sing?
Bible Answer:

The passage you are looking for is found in the Old Testament in Zephaniah 3:17.

The LORD your God in your midst, The Mighty One, will save; He will rejoice over you with gladness, He will quiet you with His love, He will rejoice over you with singing. (NKJV)

The Hebrew word for “singing” actually means “a ringing cry” with a sense of joy. What a great verse! God sings. Since He is perfect in every way, I will look forward to hearing the beauty of His voice. The Bible tells us that He gave all of His creatures the ability to sing. Job says the angels, who are also called “stars” in Job, can sing.

To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? (NKJV) Job 38:6-7

The book of Revelation says that some day in the future the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders who live around the throne will sing this song before God.

Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; for You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and have made us kings and priests to our God; and we shall reign on the earth.” (NKJV) Rev. 5:8-10

Those who survive the future tribulation period will sing for joy over God’s victory.

And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name. They held harps given them by God and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: “Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages. Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.” (NKJV) Rev. 15:2-4

It is interesting that Satan and his demons, fallen angels, are never said to sing. That is the effect of sin. Sin takes away our joy and leaves no desire to sing.


We sing, the angels sing, and God sings. God loves singing. Did you notice that the songs recorded in Revelation 5:8-10 and Rev. 15:2-4 are all songs of adoration to God. They are directed to God and not to ourselves. When we sing our words, thoughts and emotions should be directed to Him. Praise to Him!

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June 16 2017, 1:54 PM 

Where in the Bible does God sing?
Bible Answer:

The passage you are looking for is found in the Old Testament in Zephaniah 3:17.

The LORD your God in your midst, The Mighty One, will save; He will rejoice over you with gladness, He will quiet you with His love, He will rejoice over you with singing. (NKJV)

I have warned everyone with a need to know that Jesus Christ in His Glorified state of Holy Spirit and the ONLY ONE with the right to speak, WILL NOT PERMIT such people to speak the TRUTH which is NOT truth unless it is the Whole (holy) Truth.

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And the will NEVER be able to read BLACK text on WHITE paper (2 Corinthians 3) even when almost never PREACHED by being READ for those with "A" holy spirit.

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SING and Praise God

June 16 2017, 2:54 PM 

The term "A" holy spirit is not found in the Bible. Perhaps you read BLACK text on BLACK paper.


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Re: SING and Praise God

June 16 2017, 4:20 PM 

How about THE holy spirit?

Heb. 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Col. 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Notice that Saved always begs saved from WHAT?

The Jews had a "covenant with death and hell' and THAT is the pattern for those who cannot grasp that holy is an adjective and is never the NAME of a person.

A holy spirit (ours) has the same meaning as A good conscience, consciousness or a co-perception which enables reading BLACK text on BROWN paper.

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Re: a Holy Spirit

June 16 2017, 4:47 PM 

I have a spirit; it may not be as holy as it should be, nonetheless it is "my" spirit. My spirit is not a person; my spirit is not another person.

In that sense, the word "spirit" has one meaning -- taking into consideration the truth that a/the spirit is NOT a/another person.

In another sense or meaning, consider this:

When one is immersed with Christ in baptism, he receives two benefits according to Acts 2:36-38 --

(1) He receives forgiveness of sins in the blood of the Lamb;
------------ and --------------
(2) He receives the gift of a spirit that is holy. And this has nothing to do with the Trinity's doctrine concerning "the Holy Spirit" as the 3rd person. This teaching leads one to question as to why not God the Father or Jesus Christ His Son as "the gift.".

Rather, the gift in the passage simply refers to the new convert as having a clear conscience, being purified when cleansed or being REFRESHED. Read Acts 3:19 -- a parallel passage indicating that after conversion: "when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord."

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Re: Time is Short: Don't get PLUCKED by the PSALLO Liars.

June 16 2017, 4:22 PM 

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Re: Time is Short: Don't get PLUCKED by the PSALLO Liars.

June 16 2017, 5:09 PM 

Updated some of the Zeph 3 INVISIBLE text

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Re: Time is Short: Don't get PLUCKED by the PSALLO Liars.

June 17 2017, 12:21 AM 

Someone needs proof that God sings: He often sins BURDENS. God sang to the Jews in Isaiah 5 because the Wine and Music at the festivals caused everyone to starve for the Water of the Word and would go into CAPTIVITY and DEATH. These FEASTS, as at Mount Sinai, were the Worship Services of those abandoned to worship the starry host and who had A Covenant With Death and Hell.

The question and answer is authority to turn the School of Christ into, as promoted, A theater for holy entertainment. The Latest Pepperdine shows the terminal or end of the road by promoting sexuality as required for SALVATION.

What those OF THE WORLD ORDER or Aborigines who are not INBREATHED is that GOD is doing the action and Paul said of the women that they should be silent and let Jesus speak through the Prophets and Apostles. They would then be SAFE and "come to a knowledge of THE TRUTH" or THE WORD.

The pattern for the Sabbath is that He does all of the work and RESTS: Sabbath never means a day of worship but a day of REST. Not able to define words and violently opposed to anyone who tries, Zepheniah by the Spirit OF Christ (God's Breath) lays out a document so that when you die you cannot argue that musical instruments are always connected to telling God to be silent and the sign of BURNING.

If the Lord [YHWH] is thy God [elohim] is in the midst as promised by Jesus for those who go OUTSIDE the gates, they why would anyone need to be able to read in order to sit down and shut up.

Zep 3:17 The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty;
HE will save,
HE will rejoice over thee with joy;
HE will rest in his love,
HE will joy over thee with singing

This not SANGING four-part Fanny to defacto worship her. How about those Voodoo drums in the church of one of my old financial adviser for the Lord?

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Re: Time is Short: Don't get PLUCKED by the PSALLO Liars.

June 17 2017, 8:21 AM 

Donnie said that Ken isn't against singing, as far as congregational singing.

It's the old flip-flop routine that wears you down. Carry on..,

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Re: Time is Short: Don't get PLUCKED by the PSALLO Liars.

June 18 2017, 12:58 AM 

How can Ken or anyone be against a NO-COMMAND/NO-EXAMPLE for congregational singing?

No, "when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives" (Matt. 26:30), I doubt that they hymned Twila Paris' or Michael Smith's "praise" songs. Besides, the church had not been established yet at the time.

That was not congregational singing.

This is correct: Congregational does have its own history. But, no, congregational singing did not begin with the establishment of the church that Jesus built.

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Zepheniah 3:15-16

June 17 2017, 11:37 AM 

Don't worry about STOPING the musical mocking of Jesus and His Word. Revelation 17-18.

When you hear the Craftsmen: speakers, singers, instrument players these are REMOVED from the Assemblies of Christ at the same time the LAMPS or "seven spirits OF Christ) (Isaiah 11) are removed.

Some things are mutually-exclusive and Paul says that God will send strong delusions so that people believed their own lies SO THAT they might be damned or "consumed by the breath of their own mouth."

Quoting Zepheniah 3 is lighting the fuse under your pew.

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Re: Time is Short: Don't get PLUCKED by the PSALLO Liars.

June 18 2017, 8:23 PM 

I'm confused [as a "viewer" of this forum]. Is Rancor Repost a new poster? It doesn't appear that neither the regular Rancor nor the "new" Rancor would post a thread titled: "Time is Short: Don't get PLUCKED by the PSALLO Liars." [Oct 17, 2010 6:14 PM] -- that was/is not his forté . Just an observation as a reader.

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