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MARK of idols and idolaters: no recorded proof otherwise.

January 31 2011 at 10:21 PM
Ken Sublett  (Login Ken.Sublett)
ConcernedMembersMadison
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Paul knew "all about Eve" and his language proves that she was wholly seduced in a sexual sense. The SERPENT was not a snake: "Remember parables from the foundation of the world to fool the foolish not OF FAITH or OF TRUTH. Last night John Wilson was commenting on the "Garden of Eden" where 4 rivers "terminate" and not "began" before the rise of the Sea level. Genesis is, John agreed, a perfect description of the move from the hunter-gatherers to the agriculturists.

http://www.piney.com/SerpentWorship.html

http://www.piney.com/naga.html

http://www.piney.com/MuDevils.html

THERE IS NO BIBLE OR OTHER RECORDED HISTORY TO REFUTE: REMEMBER MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN. Instruments are always forced to suck in the butterflies to become a great INSTITUTE. You will find Jesus ONLY outside of the masses. Those ABANDONED to worship the starry host will NATURALLY appeal to those abandoned to worship the starry host seeking temporary comfort in great masses.

Next: Jubal is well documented in the Clay Tablets: in the Bible he HANDLED musical instruments meaning "without authority." That family of the EVIL Lamech brought on the flood. Just after the flood as also well documented on clay tablets:

http://www.piney.com/FathRecClemBIV.html

"But when all these things were done, men turned again to impiety; [There is a similar chapter in Homily IX. 7, but in a discourse: on the following day.-R.] and on this account a law was given by God to instruct them in the manner of living.

But in process of time, the worship of God and righteousness were corrupted by the unbelieving and the wicked, as we shall show more fully by and by.

Moreover, perverse and erratic religions were introduced, to which the greater part of men gave themselves up,
.......by occasion of holidays and solemnities, instituting drinkings and banquets,
.......following pipes, and flutes, and harps, and diverse kinds of musical instruments,
.......and indulging themselves in all kinds of drunkenness and luxury.

Hence every kind of error took rise; hence they invented groves and altars, fillets and victims, and after drunkenness they were agitated as if with mad emotions.

By this means power was given to the demons to enter into minds of this sort, so that they seemed to lead insane dances and to rave like Bacchanalians; hence were invented the gnashing of teeth, and bellowing from the depth of their bowels; hence a terrible countenance and a fierce aspect in men, so that he whom drunkenness had subverted and a demon had instigated, was believed by the deceived and the erring to be filled with the Deity.

Chapter VII.-Sacrificial Orgies.

http://www.piney.com/FathClemHomIX.html

"But they did not cease to worship images, by reason of the evil intelligence of the magicians,
.......who found excuses for them, which had power to constrain them to the foolish worship
.......For, establishing this things by magical ceremonies,
....... they assigned them feasts from sacrifices, libations, flutes, and shoutings,
.......by means ofj which senseless men, being deceived,
.......and their kingdom being taken from them,
.......yet did not desist from the worship that they had taken up with.

To such an extent did they prefer error, on account of its pleasantness, before truth.

They also howl after their sacrificial surfeit, their soul from the depth, as it were by dreams,
.......forewarning them of the punishment that is to befall such deeds of theirs.

 
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Fred Whaley
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Re: MARK of idols and idolaters: no recorded proof otherwise.

February 2 2011, 2:39 PM 

Ken - This is an "Excellent" and "Biblical" Message on and connecting Eve's Sexual Seduction, Instrumental Worship and Sacrificial Orgies. Anticipating the reading of many more sources other than the Bible. Keep up the fine work Ken.

Fred Whaley

 
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Re: MARK of idols and idolaters: no recorded proof otherwise.

February 2 2011, 3:27 PM 

You will remember that because of musical idolatry which brought on the NAKEDNESS at Mount Sinai, God abandoned them to the NATIONS and the worship of the starry host:.

1Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
1Kings 15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.
1Kings 22:46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.
2Kings 23:7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

Paul speaks of Eve in the sense of a BRIDE espoused but BEGUILED. Now, Eve didn't EAT an apple. Ezekiel 31 says that the Assyrians were the Tallest Trees in the garden of Eden.

2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The Greek words which we learn from ANOTHER BOOK as we did reading.

Panourg-êma , atos, to, A.knavish trick, villainy, SOPHIST. panourgeuma. Panourgeo play the knave, similr to citharizo
Sophis-teia , hê, A.sophistry, D.S.12.53, Plu.2.78f, D.L.2.113, etc.; opp. sophia [skill], Ph.1.10; s. mantikê, of Balaam, Apollon name of a number. The number of a man

Simplicity is hard to find in the days of performance religion which blinds you to the Words of God:

G572 haplots hap-lot'-ace From G573 ; singleness, that is, (subjectively) sincerity (without dissimulation or self seeking), or (objectively) generosity (copious bestowal):bountifulness, liberal (-ity), simplicity, singleness.

Deceiving usually produces a sexual influence through the performing arts replacing the true Bible Teacher.

Exapataô deceive or beguile, deceive thoroughly, surround yourself with compassion for your swindling tricks, seduce a woman, Hdt.2.114 seduce a woman, Hdt.2.114: By attractions, Poieo:

Poie , something you make or compose yourself. b. represent in poetry, b. represent in poetry, put them into verse, invent,
3. of sacrifices, festivals, etc., celebrate

Example

Dem. 21.204 Now is the chance for you, men of Athens, now when he comes with his humbug and chicanery, with his lamentations, tears and prayers, to throw this answer in his teeth. Yes, and that is the sort of man you are, Meidias. You are a bully; you cannot keep your hands to yourself.

Panourgia knavery, SOPHISTRY "speaking, singing, playing instruments."

http://www.piney.com/Ephesians.4.Unity.in.Diversity.html

Christ in the prophets called lucifer (Zoe) the singing and harp playing prostitute. The serpent is defined as a Musical Enchanter common with all serpent worship which happened at the Jerusalem temple.


 
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