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CHRIST'S REQUIREMENTS FOR SALVATION

February 25 2011 at 12:00 PM
Dr. Bill Crump  (no login)
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I first posted this essay in December 2009. Because of the critical nature of the material herein, I ask that it be posted again so it won't be buried among the myriad other threads here. While Christ's requirements remain the same, I've expanded the comments.

Many people will say, "Jesus requires nothing from us for salvation," or they may say, "All we need to do is just believe/have faith, nothing more," or even, "Just trust in Jesus' sacrifice alone; don't bother obeying Jesus' commandments." Either these people really don't know that Jesus has issued specific requirements for salvation, both explicitly by Him and through His apostles, or their denominational traditions compel these people to deny Jesus' requirements for salvation. My purpose for posting is simply to summarize the requirements for salvation that Jesus and His apostles have stated in the New Testament. Some readers will see the validity of the summary; others will reject it for various reasons. Perhaps they will focus on one verse and ignore another verse that provides further meaning to a salvation requirement. Here are Christ's requirements for salvation with example references from the King James Bible:

1. HEAR THE GOSPEL
"And the gospel must first be published among all nations" (Mark 13:10).

"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Rom. 10:14).

2. FAITH.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).

"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:31).

Faith is certainly a highly important requirement for salvation, but it is by no means the only requirement. Without faith, we cannot comply with Jesus' other requirements.

3. REPENTANCE.
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord" (Acts 3:19).

4. CONFESS JESUS BEFORE MEN.
"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 10:32-33).

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" (Rom. 10:9-10).

5. BE BAPTIZED.
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16).

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 2:38).

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16).

"The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 3:21).

6. LIVE A CHRISTIAN LIFE IN OBEDIENCE UNTO CHRIST.
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 7:21).

"If ye love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15).

"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" (2 Thess. 1:7-9).

"Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (Heb. 5:8-9).

The first five requirements deal with the conversion process. A person cannot be saved until he is converted to Christianity and obeys the Gospel. After obeying the Gospel, a Christian must continue to obey the teachings of Christ for the rest of his life. Therefore, the sixth requirement comprises everything else that Christ commanded either explicitly or through His apostles (for example, observing the Lord's Supper, helping the needy, visiting the sick, love thy neighbor, doing good for mankind, assembling together for worship, etc.). Collectively, all six are required for salvation. Of course, Christ knows if man's compliance is done faithfully and willingly or just for show.

Therefore, Jesus requires that we hear the Gospel, followed by faith, repentance, confession, baptism, and a life of obedience from us before He will grant salvation unto us. Many people will argue that since these requirements are not conveniently provided together in one spot in the New Testament, they are not valid. But even if they were listed together, some people would then brand that a "legalistic list" and thumb their noses at it. People will also argue that obeying Jesus' requirements for salvation equates to personal works, that obedience "robs" Christ of His sacrifice, that baptism is dunking in water which can't "save" anyone, or a hundred other man-made excuses for circumventing what Jesus commands. The fact remains, however, that Jesus has issued certain requirements for salvation, either directly or through the apostolic epistles. It is up to us to decide whether we'll submit gladly and willingly, obey Him, and have the promise of salvation; or not submit, disobey Him, and have the promise of damnation.

Now read the parable that follows. It teaches that making summaries and lists from Scripture actually helps us to understand what Jesus requires for salvation.

A college student enrolled in a particular course, took copious notes from the professor's lectures, and read his textbook. At the end of the course, the professor gave an examination, for which the student felt that he was well prepared. The student assumed that the exam would be nothing more than a simple regurgitation of facts to run-of-the-mill questions.

But the exam questions required the student to list various characteristics, properties, and traits about items in the course. This took the student by surprise, because the professor had never given any explicit lists in the lectures, nor were there any lists in the textbook. The student was at a loss about how to answer the questions correctly and therefore received a poor grade on the exam.

The student felt that the exam was unfair, and he complained to the professor about his poor grade.

"What's the idea of making up an exam with LISTS anyhow?" raged the student. "You never mentioned one word about LISTS in your lectures, and there are no LISTS in my textbook! Your exam is unfair and did not cover the material in your lectures!"

"Upon what basis do you claim that the exam didn't cover the lecture material?" replied the professor. "Everything on those exam lists can be found either in my lecture notes or from the material in the textbook. The lists tested to see how well you could assimilate the material and summarize it neatly. Evidently you didn't know the material well enough. You should have studied more diligently."

The student stomped out of the professor's office and thumbed through his notes and book again and compared them with the exam questions. Sure enough, although there had been no lists in either source, the answers to the exam were staring him in the face. The student just hadn't taken the time to assimilate the material well enough.

Some people react similarly to Jesus' requirements for salvation. They reason that since there is no explicit "1-2-3 list" in the New Testament about what Jesus requires for salvation, then it is wrong for man to make any kind of "list." Yet throughout the New Testament, Jesus and His apostles have issued explicit requirements for salvation. Those people who diligently study the teachings of Jesus and His apostles will become familiar enough with those requirements such that they can neatly summarize them in a list for easy reference. Yet other people in rebellion against Jesus will scoff at such a list and denounce it as "man-made."

To the scoffers, remember these bits of information: The terms "Bible" and "Holy Bible" are also "man-made." God never uses those terms at all in His written Word, yet the Christian world readily accepts them. Dividing the Bible into chapters and verses is also "man-made." God did not do that, yet the Christian world readily accepts that as well. The point is that there is nothing wrong with calling God's Word "Bible/Holy Bible," nor is there anything wrong with dividing the Bible into chapters and verses. Doing the latter makes it much easier to refer to the Bible's contents. Likewise, there is absolutely nothing wrong with making a list of Christ's and His apostles' teachings about what is required for salvation. Such a list only makes it easier for people to know how to be saved.




 
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Rocnar
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God's Plan of Salvation

February 28 2011, 5:31 PM 

Dr. Crump writes a well worded essay. wink.gif

What is an essay? The dictionary defines it as "A short literary composition on a single subject, usually presenting the personal view of the author." I see where Dr. Crump has expanded HIS comments in HIS essay.

Dr. Crump quotes some very good scripture. However, the Bible contains much more on the subject of SALVATION. The proper context can also be obtained by reading the Bible. You can avoid the man-made spin that is often found in man-made essays by just reading the Bible.

Stick with God's Holy Word, THE BIBLE, as your source for God's Plan of Salvation.

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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The New Testament First, but Don't Sell the Essay Short

February 28 2011, 6:20 PM 

All the requirements of salvation as commanded by Christ and through His apostles in the New Testament are conveniently summarized in the essay. Recall that I gave sample New Testament references to illustrate those requirements. A full reading of the New Testament will reveal all the remaining Scriptures that further illustrate those same requirements. There is nothing new and different in the essay about salvation that the New Testament does not substantiate. Likewise, there is nothing in the New Testament about salvation that the essay omits. The principles of salvation are comprehensively covered.

As the Ethiopian eunuch read the Scriptures, he didn't understand what he read. It took Philip to teach him what the Scriptures meant. Likewise, some people may read the New Testament and not really understand what Christ requires of them to be saved. It takes a knowledgeable person or a well-written essay to teach someone about salvation. Is an essay about salvation supposed to be a total substitute for the New Testament? We know better than that. On the other hand, if Christ's requirements for salvation can be condensed into a convenient essay, and if people read that essay, understand, and obey Christ exactly as He has commanded, then much good has been done.


 
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From Genesis to Revelation

March 1 2011, 2:05 AM 

Rocnar,

We know that even among professed Christians, there are differences in interpreting the Scripture. For example, one may teach that baptism is by sprinkling or by pouring while another may teach that baptism is by immersion.

What would you recommend that one outside of Christ (and has never heard of the gospel) do in order to obtain redemption in the blood of Christ? Should he read from Genesis to Revelation first in order to gain knowledge of God's plan of salvation? Or, read only the New Testament first? Or, read about the life of Christ and study the book of Acts?

Are you opposed to recognizing that salvation is a process? Or, should it not matter that one's hearing of the gospel, faith and repentance scripturally (and logically, in fact) must precede baptism?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Lots of ways to be lost

February 28 2011, 5:36 PM 

Here is the MARK of lostness repeated in the prophets, Acts 7, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 10


Exod 32:18 And he said,
It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery,
neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome;
but the noise of them that sing do I hear.

Canto I. Neutr., to produce melodious sounds (by the voice or an instrument), to sound, sing, play (class. in prose and poetry; rare in Cic.) non est Cantandum, there is no occasion for singing, i. e. for imagination, fiction, Juv. 4, 35.Of an actor: cantante eo (Nerone) ne necessari quidem caus excedere theatro licitum erat, Suet. Ner. 23; 20
and ad surdas aures, Ov. Am. 3, 7, 61, to preach to deaf ears; cf. cano, II. B.
C. Transf., of instruments, to sound, resound: pastoris bucina cantat, Prop. 4 (5), 10, 30. cantabat fanis, cantabat tibia ludis, Ov. F. 6, 659 sq.

III. In the lang. of religion, as v. n. or a., to use enchantments, charms, incantations, to enchant, to charm, Cato, R. R. 160, 1; Varr. R. R. 1, 2, 27: frigidus in pratis cantando rumpitur anguis, Verg. E. 8, 71: cantata Luna, exorcised by magic, Prop. 4 (5), 5, 13. falx, Ov. H. 6, 84: herbae, id. M. 7, 98: ignis, Sil. 1, 430: tum quoque cantato densetur carmine caelum, an incantation, Ov. M. 14, 369.
B. To call forth, produce by charms: et chelydris cantare soporem, Sil. 8, 498: cantata umbra, Luc. 6, 767.

 
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David Gustafson
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There are 167 ways to get saved. There are not 5 steps to salvation

March 2 2011, 2:55 PM 

What the Bible says about Salvation
There are 167 ways to get saved.

Say the right things.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified. -- Matthew 12:37
Do the right things. (Be a do-gooder.)
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life. -- John 5:29
I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. -- Jeremiah 17:10
For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. -- 2 Corinthians 5:10
Believe the right things.
A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. -- Romans 3:28
Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. -- Romans 5:1
A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. -- Galatians 2:16
For by grace are ye saved through faith. -- Ephesians 2:8
Do and believe the right things.
Faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. -- James 2:17
Work your way to heaven.
For you render to each one according to his works. -- Psalm 62:12
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. -- Matthew 16.27
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. -- Revelation 20:12-13
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. -- 2 Corinthians 11:15
The Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work. -- 1 Peter 1:17
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? -- James 2:14, 17, 20, 24, 26
I will give unto every one of you according to your works. -- Revelation 2:23
Burn your work.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. -- 1 Corinthians 3:15
Be hungry now and never get full.
Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. ... Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. -- Luke 6:21, 24
Hunger and thirst after righteousness.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. -- Matthew 5:6
Do what is lawful and right.
When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul. -- Ezekiel 18:27
Obey the law of the wise.
The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death. -- Proverbs 13:14
Do God's will
He that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. -- 1 John 2:17
Do the will of Jesus' father.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. -- Matthew 7:21
Be a doer of the law.
Who will render to each one according to his deeds. ... For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified. -- Romans 2:6, 13
Call on the name of the Lord.
Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. -- Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13
Call upon God.
As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me. -- Psalm 55:16
Trust in the Lord.
The LORD shall ... save them, because they trust in him. -- Psalm 37:40
Get to know God.
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction. -- 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
Wait for him.
Wait on the LORD, and he shall save thee. -- Proverbs 20:22
Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us. -- Isaiah 25:9
Just look at him.
Look unto me, and be ye saved. -- Isaiah 45:22
Get lost.
The Son of man is come to save that which was lost. -- Matthew 18:11, Luke 19:10
Get lucky.
I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. ... Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. ... Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: -- Romans 9:15-22
Hope.
For we are saved by hope. -- Romans 8:24
Repent.
Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. -- Luke 13:3, 5
Don't be so darned wicked.
When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul. -- Ezekiel 18:27
Don't offend the little ones.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. -- Matthew 18:6, Mark 9:14, Luke 17:2
Don't be filthy or naughty; receive the engrafted word.
Lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. -- James 1:21
Walk upright.
Whoso walketh uprightly shall be saved. -- Proverbs 28:18
Don't lust.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. -- James 1:15
Bridle your tongue.
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. -- James 1:26
Believe in Jesus.
Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. -- John 3:16
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life. -- John 3:36
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. -- John 6:47
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. -- Acts 16:31
See Jesus and believe in him.
Every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. -- John 6:40
Confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord" and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. -- Romans 10:9
Confess Jesus before men.
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. -- Matthew 10:32
Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God. -- Luke 12:8
Obey Jesus.
And [Jesus] being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him. -- Hebrews 5:9
Hear the words of Jesus and believe in whoever sent him.
He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life. -- John 5:24
Hear and do the sayings of Jesus.
Whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock. -- Matthew 7:24
Keep Jesus' saying.
If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. -- John 8:51
Drink Jesus' water.
Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. -- John 4:14
Be dead with Jesus.
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: -- 2 Timothy 2:11
Be born again.
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. -- John 3:3
Be born of water and the spirit.
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. -- John 3:5
Believe Paul's gospel.
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2
Believe and be baptized.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. -- Mark 16:16
Just get baptized (you can keep the filth of the flesh).
Baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh). -- 1 Peter 3:21
Have a contrite spirit.
The LORD ... saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. -- Psalm 34:18
Don't be deluded by God.
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
Don't be blinded by God.
Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. ... God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. ... Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see. -- Romans 11:7-10
Bear good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. -- Matthew 7:19, Luke 3:9, 13:9
Be grafted in.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. -- Romans 11:23
Be chosen, not just called.
For many are called, but few are chosen. -- Matthew 22:14, 20:16
God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:13
Be perfect.
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. -- Matthew 5:48
Be meek.
When God arose to judgment, to save all the meek of the earth. -- Psalm 76:9
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. -- Matthew 5:5
Be washed by the Holy Ghost.
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost. -- Titus 3:5
Get your sins remitted by someone who has received the Holy Ghost. (Or who has been breathed on by Jesus)
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. -- John 20:22-23
Be pure in heart.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. -- Matthew 5:8
Be upright in heart.
My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart. -- Psalm 7:10
Be converted and become like a little child.
Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. -- Matthew 18:3, Mark 10:15
Be a child of the needy.
he shall save the children of the needy. -- Psalm 72:4
Be persecuted for righteousness sake.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. -- Matthew 5:10
Be righteous.
Righteousness delivereth from death. -- Proverbs 10:2, 11:4
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. -- Matthew 25:46
Be more righteous than the scribes and Pharisees.
Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. -- Matthew 5:20
Forsake all that you have.
Whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. -- Luke 14:33
Hate your own life.
The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. John 12:25
Lose your life for Christ's sake.
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. -- 10:39, Matthew 16:25, Mark 8:35, Luke 9:24, Luke 17:33
Belong to a household that has at least one believer.
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. -- Acts 16:31
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. -- 1 Corinthians 7:14
Get saved by your spouse.
For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? -- 1 Corinthians 7:16
Save your whole family by hearing Simon's magic words.
Call for Simon ... who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. -- Acts 11:13-14
Follow the commandments (at least some of them).
If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -- Matthew 19:17-19
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? ... Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. -- Mark 10:17-19
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life. -- Revelation 22:14
Keep some of the commandments, give all your money to the poor, and follow Jesus.
And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? ... Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. ...thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.-- Luke 18:18-22
Keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. -- Revelation 14:12
Do the commandments and teach others to do them.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. -- Matthew 5:19
Sow to the Spirit.
He that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. -- Galatians 6:8
Endure to the end.
He that endureth to the end shall be saved. -- Matthew 10:22, 24:13, Mark 13:13
Wait until you die and then have the Mormons baptize you (after you're dead).
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? -- 1 Corinthians 15:29
Wait until you die and then hear the voice of the Son of God.
The dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. -- John 5:25
Be faithful unto death.
Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. -- Revelation 2:10
Get buried with Jesus by being baptized into death.
We are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection. -- Romans 6:4-5
Always wear a wedding garment.
And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. -- Matthew 22:11-13
Don't get married. (Married people don't go to heaven.)
They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage. -- Luke 20:35
Have lots of babies (and be faithful, charitable, holy, and sober).
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. -- 1 Timothy 2:14-15
Become a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
There be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. -- Matthew 19:12
Don't defile yourself with women. (Be a virgin male.)
...the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. -- Revelation 14:4
Don't love your family more than Jesus.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. -- Matthew 10:37
Abandon your home and family for Jesus' name's sake.
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. -- Matthew 19:29, Mark 10:29-30, Luke 18:29-30
Hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and your own life.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. -- Luke 14:26
Don't hate your brother.
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. -- 1 John 3:15
Ask your parents to beat you with a rod.
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. -- Proverbs 23:13-14
Receive a child in the name of Jesus.
Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me. -- Luke 9:48a
Receive a Christian.
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. -- Matthew 10:40
Receive a prophet in the name of a prophet.
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward. -- Matthew 10:41
Receive a righteous man in the name of a righteous man.
He that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. -- Matthew 10:41
Receive the gift of eternal life from God through Jesus.
The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. -- Romans 6:23
Don't despise government or walk after flesh.
The Lord knoweth how ... to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. -- 2 Peter 2:9-10
Don't resist the powers that be.
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. -- Romans 13:2
Wash your wicked heart.
Wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. -- Jeremiah 4:14
Wash your face and anoint your head when you fast.
When thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; hat thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. -- Matthew 6:17-18
Heed yourself and the doctrine.
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. -- 1 Timothy 4:16
Get saved by Jesus' name.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name [beside's Jesus'] under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. -- Acts 4:12
Get saved by God's name.
Save me, O God, by thy name. -- Psalm 54:1
Get saved by God's shining face.
Turn us again, O God, and cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved. -- Psalm 80:3, 7, 19
Don't doubt.
He that doubteth is damned. -- Romans 14:23
Don't fall away after you're saved.
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance. -- Hebrews 6:4-6
Don't eat your own vomit.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. -- 2 Peter 2:21-22
Don't blaspheme the Holy Ghost
He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. -- Mark 3:29, Matthew 12:31-32, Luke 12:10
Don't let God make you wicked.
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. -- Proverbs 16:4
Convert a sinner.
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death. -- James 5:20
Turn yourself over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so your spirit may be saved. (For fornicators only.)
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you ... deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. -- 1 Corinthians 5:1-5
Enter at the strait gate.
Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. -- Luke 13:23-24
Enter through the Jesus door.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved. -- John 10:9
Don't look back.
Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. -- Luke 9:62

Become an Israeli citizen.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. -- Romans 11:26
Don't be a Jew.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. -- Matthew 8:12
Don't be a serpent or a viper, and make sure none of your ancestors were prophet killers.
Ye are the children of them which killed the prophets ... Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? -- Matthew 23:31-33
Don't be an unrighteous fornicator, idolater, adulterer, effeminate, thief, covetous, drunkard, reviler, extortioner, or an abuser of yourself with mankind.
The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. -- 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Don't be fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murdering, whore mongering, a sorcerer, an idolater, or a liar.
The fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. -- Revelation 21:8
Fear God.
The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death. -- Proverbs 14:27
Fear God and cry a lot while praying.
[Jesus] who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared. -- Hebrews 5:7
Don't let your eye become evil.
But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! -- Matthew 6:23
Pluck out your eye if it offends you.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. -- Matthew 5:29-30, 18:8-9, Mark 9:43-49
Cut off your right hand if it offends you.
If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. -- Matthew 5:29-30, 18:8-9, Mark 9:43-49
Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.
Let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. -- Matthew 6:4-5
Be ordained to eternal life.
As many as were ordained to eternal life believed. -- Acts 13:48
Be drawn by by the Father.
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44
Be elected by God before you're born.
For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth. -- Romans 9:11
Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. -- 1 Thessalonians 1:4
Don't be ashamed of Jesus.
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. -- Mark 8:38, Luke 9:26
Don't let anyone see you do anything good.
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. -- Matthew 6:1
Don't let anyone say anything nice about you.
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! -- Luke 6:26
Don't love the world or the things in it.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. -- 1 John 2:15
Don't be a friend to the world.
Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. -- James 4:4
Be given by the Father and come to the Son.
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. -- John 6:37
Come to the Father by Jesus.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. -- John 14:6
Be given by God to Jesus (or whatever).
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. -- John 17:1-2
Be saved by Jesus' life (if you're a friend) or by his death if your an enemy).
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. -- Romans 5:10
Don't get circumcised.
Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing ... ye are fallen from grace. -- Galatians 5:2-4
Be dead in your sins and uncircumcised flesh, and then let God quicken you with Christ.
But God ... when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ. -- Ephesians 2:4-5
Be chosen from the beginning.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses. -- Colossians 2:13
Be predestinated by God.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate ... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. -- Romans 8:29-30
He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. Having predestinated us ... according to the good pleasure of his will. -- Ephesians 1:4-5
Be poor, not rich.
He shall ... save the souls of the needy. -- Psalm 72:13
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. --Matthew 5:3
Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. ... But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. -- Luke 6:20, 24
Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. -- Matthew 19:23-24
But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. -- Luke 6:24
Ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. -- James 5:1
Be poor in this world, be rich in faith, and love God.
Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? -- James 2:5
Be sad.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. -- Matthew 5:4
Cry a lot.
Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saved them. -- Psalm 107:13, 19
Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. -- Luke 6:21
Don't laugh.
Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. -- Luke 6:25
Be last.
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. -- Matthew 19:30, 20:16; Mark 10:31; Luke 13:30
Be least.
He that is least among you all, the same shall be great. -- Luke 9:48b
Eat the bread that comes down from heaven.
This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. -- John 6:50
Eat Jesus' body and drink his blood.
Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. -- John 6:53-54
Have faith in Jesus' blood.
God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood. -- Romans 3:25
Be saved and justified by Jesus' blood.
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. -- Romans 5:9
Make people revile you, persecute you, hate you, avoid you, say bad things about you, and call you names for Jesus' sake.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. -- Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven. -- Luke 6:22-23
Follow peace and holiness with all men
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. -- Hebrews 12:14
Believe in the foolishness of preaching.
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. -- 1 Corinthians 1:21
Be innocent.
He [God] shall deliver the island of the innocent. -- Job 22:30
Give a cup of water to a Christian.
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward. -- Matthew 10:42, Mark 9:41
Love Christians.
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. -- 1 John 3:14
Love your enemies, do good to them, and give them lots of money.
But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. -- Luke 6:35, Matthew 5:44-45
Love God and your neighbor.
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. -- Luke 10:26-28
Be a peacemaker.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. -- Matthew 5:9
Feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, take in strangers, clothe the naked, visit the sick and imprisoned.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. -- Matthew 25:34-36

Be merciful.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. -- Matthew 5:7
For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. -- James 2:13
Forgive people.
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. Matthew 6:14
Don't judge.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged. -- Matthew 7:1, Luke 6:37
Be humble.
He [God] shall save the humble person. -- Job 22:29
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. -- Matthew 7:1
Love the truth.
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:10
Don't pray in public.
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. -- Matthew 6:5
Be saved by other people's unbelief.
(You can have some of mine; I've got plenty.)
For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief. -- Romans 11:30
Just ask.
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. -- Matthew 7:7-8
All you need is love.
Love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God. -- 1 John 4:7

 
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Salvation Is Simple--Only Six Steps

March 2 2011, 6:09 PM 

David is right. There are not five steps to salvation; there are SIX. All of David's "167 ways to get saved" can be condensed into Christ's six requirements for salvation. People often balk at a "list" of six steps and say that such a list is legalistic. I don't think that anyone is going to try to memorize a whopping list of 167 items, because that makes salvation much too legalistic, too much like the Mosaic Law. Following a mere 6 steps is hardly much to ask of anyone. As people read the New Testament, they will come to know what Christ demands of them for salvation, and His guidelines will be a way of life. People won't have to look up items #24 or #127, for example, in David's "mega-list" to see if they have fulfilled them; they will already be a part of their Christian lives.

"167 ways to get saved" also implies that people only need to follow any ONE of those items, and they will be saved. That could hardly be true at all. People must follow everything that Christ and His apostles commanded for salvation. The general principles of salvation are conveniently summarized in Christ's six requirements for salvation.

 
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Where Do You Start?

March 2 2011, 9:49 PM 

If someone wants to become a Christian and they look at David's 167 ways to get saved, they may feel bowled over and rightly ask, "Man, where in the world do I start?" Do you pick items at random from that list? That's a harum-scarum, totally disorganized approach. It is confusing and chaotic.

"For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints" (1 Cor. 14:33 KJV).

Salvation is simple and orderly. One starts at the beginning, which is by hearing (or reading) the Gospel. Then follow belief, repentance, confession, baptism, and obedience of all things that Christ taught regarding the Christian life.

 
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The "Sinner's Prayer" Is Not Enough

March 22 2011, 11:31 AM 

A preacher approached a bereaved husband to offer some comfort. As they talked, the husband stated that he really didn't know if his wife was now in heaven or in hell. The daughter heard this comment and said, "Momma didn't tell you this, but she had said the 'Sinner's Prayer,' so I know she's now in heaven!"

Some denominations believe that all you have to do to be saved is say the "Sinner's Prayer," and you're instantly saved for all time. There is no one-and-only "Sinner's Prayer," but a typical "prayer" goes like this:

"God, I know that I am a sinner. I know that I deserve the consequences of my sin. However, I am trusting in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that His death and resurrection provided for my forgiveness. I trust in Jesus and Jesus alone as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank you Lord, for saving me and forgiving me! Amen!"

A web site about the "Sinner's Prayer" states: "All we have to do is believe that [Christ] died in our place and rose from the dead (Romans 10:9-10). We can be saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone. Ephesians 2:8 declares, 'For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.'"

Web site: http://www.gotquestions.org/sinners-prayer.html

Such a web site mentions nothing specific about Christ's requirements that we hear the Gospel, repent, confess Him before mankind, be baptized for remission of sins, and live a life of obedience unto Christ. Belief is the only requirement that this and similar web sites mention.

Informed Christians know that the New Testament mentions nothing about a "Sinner's Prayer" as such, and Christ certainly never concocted one for prospective Christians to recite in order to be saved. Thus, the "Sinner's Prayer" as the means to achieve salvation is an invention of man-contrived denominations. While prospective Christians must realize that they are sinners in need of Christ's redemption, they also must be taught that praying a "Sinner's Prayer" that declares "faith only" is not even close to being sufficient for salvation. Christ requires more for salvation, as we've shown in the initial post in this thread.

Don't be mislead by the "Sinner's Prayer"; it is NOT the sole means to an end.




 
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Seeing Clearly

March 23 2011, 2:31 PM 

Dr. Crump, follow the link to another six step plan of salvation.


http://www.gcccmbc.com/go/new


What do the link and your essay have in common? They both contain scripture and the opinions of men. What is wrong with that? Nothing is wrong with that.

Let's just be careful with how we label our opinions. Christ never summarized the steps of salvation. Dr. Crump is the one who did that.

Can we agree that the Bible contains God's plan of salvation? Can we agree that Dr. Crump's essay contains Dr. Crump's opinion on the requirements for salvation? I think the answer is yes to both questions.

Dr. Crump, please be careful with you labels.

 
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Romans 10 contains the "steps."

March 23 2011, 10:07 PM 

Rather than thinking of us TAKING steps, the Bible details the natural process from planting the seed to a new birth. If you want to be born again you cannot just believe something.

Romans 10 details the process--and I have posted them many times: you cannot hear the gospel without someone to teack you. You cannot believe the gospel unless you have heard it. It has no meaning until you have confessed. You cannot be saved without "calling on the Namme of the Lord." Now, "faith only" does not include calling on the Lord.

The calling is by the act of baptism in Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16 and 1 Peter 3:21.

 
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Re: Seeing Clearly

March 23 2011, 10:46 PM 

Many people want to make learning about how to be saved much more difficult than it is. Perhaps that's why some people never understand what Christ really requires for salvation. They put on blinders and rebel at "lists." They won't sit down with the New Testament and say, "What do Christ and the apostles tell us in the New Testament about how to be saved?" They think that making a list about Christ's requirements for salvation is "sinful" or "wrong." That is man's erroneous concept. No list about salvation is sinful if it contains a complete summary of what Christ requires.

What does Christ require for salvation? We'll go over it again for those who are having trouble. He requires that we hear/read the Gospel, believe on Him, repent, confess Him, be baptized for remission of sins, and obey Him in ALL THINGS that He has commanded. By ALL THINGS, we mean all of Christ's commandments that people who have become Christians must follow, and those commandments are found in the New Testament. What requirements are left? NONE. If there are more requirements, they come from man, not Christ. Some may say, "You didn't mention, for example, loving others or caring for the sick and needy." Those and similar acts of obedience fall under "obeying Christ in ALL THINGS that He has commanded." It's not enough to "become" a Christian. You must remain a faithful, obedient Christian unto death to be saved.

Christ's requirements for salvation should be easy to understand, if you are willing to learn from the New Testament.

 
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Re: Seeing Clearly

March 23 2011, 11:18 PM 

Only those who obey the gospel are part of the "house of God."

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 2:47 praising God, and having favor with all the people. The Lord added to the assembly (church) day by day those who were being saved.

1Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

 
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Re: Seeing Clearly

March 24 2011, 1:15 AM 

It is interesting to note that when faithful Christians quote what Jesus requires for salvation directly from the New Testament, others cry, "That's just your opinion!" That sentiment conveys the notion that those people really don't believe Jesus has specific requirements for salvation. They further imply that if they did acknowledge such requirements, they wouldn't obey them, because they would see the requirements as "legalistic."

Discerning Christians know that Christ has explicit requirements for salvation. In the "opinion" of unbelievers, skeptics, and rebels, however, such requirements don't exist, because they are not conveniently listed in one place in the New Testament. Perhaps some say, "If Christ had wanted us to follow a bunch of requirements, He would have listed them in the Bible, 1-2-3." That thinking is about as narrow and blind as saying, "If Christ had wanted us to fly, he would have given us wings." Just as we have been given minds with which to invent machines that enable us to fly, we have been given minds with which to read and study the New Testament diligently and therefore glean what Christ most clearly requires from us for salvation.

 
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Re: Seeing Clearly

March 25 2011, 2:47 AM 

To "Seeing Clearly":

So, quoting several passages related to God's plan of redemption makes it man's opinion? Which one(s) of the passages do not agree with your concept of salvation? Are you looking for just one passage that encompasses what man must do or not do in order to be saved? If there's one, please share that information with us.

(1) While we all believe and agree that the source of man's redemption is God and His love, grace and mercy and Christ's blood and His suffering and death on the cross, we must remember all that as the Redeemer's part.

(2) While God's offer is there and available to mankind, it's for naught unless and until man takes action. He must come to the understanding that the free gift that is being delivered is not just to be looked at and admired. It must be RECEIVED (an action or activity). The New Testament specifications for receiving or accepting that gift are clear.

Let's study Acts 2:36-38.


[36] Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
[37] Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Salvation is a "process" (if you feel that a series of "steps" is not scriptural):

  • Peter delivered his message and TAUGHT them that "God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

  • When they HEARD this ...

  • They BELIEVED ("were pricked in their heart") and said, "What shall we do?"

  • Peter said, REPENT and ...

  • BE BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus Christ

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    ... UNTO (in order that, so that, for, to, toward)

  • (1) The REMISSION OF SINS in His blood

  • (2) The receiving of the gift of a pure/holy spirit, a clear conscience, refreshing.


 
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March 30 2011, 6:44 PM 

Acts 2 (King James Version)

Acts 2
1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

12And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

13Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

 
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What is a Crooked race.

March 30 2011, 7:00 PM 

My guess is that you don't know a preacher who knows the meaning of the CROOKED race. Otherwise, they might not BECOME a Crooked race by imposing instruments:

When Paul commanded that we not "get drunk on wine" before we SPEAK the Word, the Greek literature uses the word meaning "to get fluted down with wine." Everyone knows that you need music to make the people swill whatever it is you are dispensing.

Baptism gives us A holy spirit and gives us REST from the Crooked and Perverted TRIBE OF PEOPLE who flock to the MULTITUDES.

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

The untoward or perverted or crooked generation were MARKED when....

G4646 skolios skol-ee-os' From the base of G4628 ; warped, that is, winding; figuratively perverse:crooked, froward, untoward.
Skolios 1 curved, winding, twisted, tangled, Lat. obliquus, Hdt., Eur., etc.:-- bent sideways, douleiê kephalê skoliê (Hor. stat capite obstipo) Theogn.: metaph. crooked, i. e. unjust, unrighteous , Il., Hes., etc.; skolia prattein, eipein Plat.:--so adv. skoliôs, Hes.


This is the Grace-Centered concept:

Charis for his pleasure, for his sake, glôssês charin for one's tongue's pleasure, hy pleasure or sake, s for the sake of my flesh, for the pleasure of devouring it, prassein, 4. love-charm, philtre, charizesthai (1.2), indulge, humour, orgêi,
Charizomai charizô , fut. chariô 3. in erotic sense, grant favours to a man,


Skoliotês 2. of men, crookedness, dishonesty, LXX Ez.16.5.

Identifying Jerusalem a Jebusite High Place where David was forced to go. Jerusalem is "a city set on seven hills a is called Sodom or Egyp or HAGAR which poins to that tribe of interest

Ezekiel 16: Thus says the Lord Yahweh to Jerusalem: Your birth and your birth is of the land of the Canaanite; the Amorite was your father, and your mother was a Hittite. [4] As for your birth, in the day you were born your navel was not cut, neither were you washed in water to cleanse you; you weren't salted at all, nor swaddled at all. [5] No eye pitied you, to do any of these things to you, to have compassion on you; but you were cast out in the open field, for that your person was abhorred, in the day that you were born.

Skolion 1 [neut. of skolios] [sub. melos] a song which went round at banquets, sung to the lyre by the guests, Ar.; so called from its zigzag course-- each guest who sung holding a myrtle-branch murrinê, which he passed across the table to any one he chose.

Transmission of Archaic Greek Sympotic Songs: from Lesbos to Alexandria by Gregory Nag

A striking example is the reference in Aristophanes F 235 Kassel/Austin to the singing of a sympotic song of Alcaeus, called a skolion : 'sing me some skolion, taking it from Alcaeus or Anacreon'. 48 This correlation of Alcaeus with Anacreon as masters of sympotic songmaking is particularly valuable in light of the explicit identification of Anacreon with the institution of the symposium: in Herodotus 3.121, this poet is pictured as actually participating in a symposium attended by his patron, the tyrant Polycrates, at Samos ("and he found Polycrates reclining in the men's quarters, in the company of Anacreon of Teos"). 49
48. The word skolion , as used in the time of Aristophanes, is a distinctly sympotic term. It was an appropriate general designation for the performance, self-accompanied on the lyre, of compositions by the great lyric masters; see A. E. Harvey, 1955. "The Classification of Greek Lyric Poetry," Classical Quarterly 5 (1955): 162-63, following R. Reitzenstein, Epigramm und Skolion: Ein Beitrag zur Geschichte der alexandrinischen Dichtung (Giessen, 1893); see also Nagy, Pindar's Homer, pp. 106-7. To engage in these performances was an old-fashioned convention at symposia, as we can see from such references as Aristophanes Clouds 1355-1356, the scholia to Aristophanes Wasps 1222, and Eupolis F 139 Kock (by way of Athenaeus 638e). According to "Plutarch" On Music 1140f, Pindar attributed the "invention" of the skolion to Terpander, who is also the traditional "inventor" of the system of melodies used in kitharôidia ( On Music 1132d). I should add that Aristotle refers to Alcaeus F 348, which he also cites, as a skolion ; see Aristotle, Politics 1285a35 and following).



    
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