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Logos versus Mythos: Straight versus Gender-Bent.

March 11 2011 at 8:28 PM
Ken Sublett  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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I have posted:

http://www.piney.com/Matthew.18.Except.Ye.Be.Converted.html

http://www.piney.com/Logos.Mythos.Word.Versus.Music.html

This is the UNIVERSAL grasp that God sent His personified WORD and not sermon, song, playing or dancing. This is the ANTITHESIS of the Jewish and all pagan religions where FEMALE roles had to be played by SEMI-MALES. Those who infiltrated and diverted are not ashamed to come out of the closet: confession is good for the souls. I think the WORD being preached and taught without the WEAPONS of the pagan goddess worship is specificially to seek out those with a spiritual or rational mind: when the earth breaks up you will need KNOWLEDGE to escape. Don't try to fiddle as the earth burns up.

Homer to Hermes: What skill is this? What song for desperate cares? What way of song? For verily here are three things to hand all at once from which to choose,
......mirth, and love, and sweet sleep. [450] And though I am a follower of the Olympian Muses who love dances and the bright path of song the full-toned chant and ravishing thrill of flutes yet I never cared for any of those feats of skill at young men's revels, as I do now for this: [455] I am filled with wonder, O son of Zeus, at your sweet playing. But now, since you, though little, have such glorious skill, sit down, dear boy, and respect the words of your elders For now you shall have renown among the deathless gods, you and your mother also. This I will declare to you exactly: [460] by this shaft of cornel wood I will surely make you a leader renowned among the deathless gods, and fortunate, and will give you glorious gifts and will not deceive you from first to last.

Now, you are free to learn whatever you please; [475] but since, as it seems, your heart is so strongly set on playing the lyre, chant, and play upon it, and give yourself to merriment, taking this as a gift from me, and do you, my friend, bestow glory on me. Sing well with this clear-voiced companion in your hands; for you are skilled in good, well-ordered utterance. [480] From now on bring it confidently to the rich feast and lovely dance and glorious revel, a joy by night and by day. Whoso with wit and wisdom enquires of it cunningly, him it teaches [485] through its sound all manner of things that delight the mind, being easily played with gentle familiarities, for it abhors toilsome drudgery; but whoso in ignorance enquires of it violently, to him it chatters mere vanity and foolishness.


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Ken Sublett
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Update

March 17 2011, 10:04 PM 

I have updated to show that there are two "races" of people in Christianism:

1. The Logos or Word of Christ is a School (only) of the Word of Christ (only). Peter makes this more certain by listing the prophets and the prophecies made more certain as that which will cause the day star to arise in our hearts.

http://www.piney.com/2.Peter.1.html

2 Peter 2 defines those who "private interpret" or further expound as false teachers.

2. The Mythos (grace-centered as permissive versus the power to deny) is marked by ceremonial legalism including music which is defined as a feminine role and where males are involved it is the mark of real or virtual pederasty. Boy love. No old, ugly musical worship teams. happy.gif

http://www.piney.com/Logos.Mythos.Word.Versus.Music.html

I have updated this to fill some of the ABSOLUTE "boy love."

 
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Dave
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Clear as Mud

March 26 2011, 10:49 AM 

Ken,
It is nice to know that you know what is going on......even if no one else does.
Please continue on with your feeding of the masses vicar. Now go get your robe and hat and you are set.

 
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Dave
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Not Right!!!

March 18 2011, 8:35 PM 

Ken,
The problem is, you seem to know way too much about boy love......you certainly talk about it all the time.

 
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Re: Not Right!!!

March 18 2011, 10:32 PM 

I wonder if a girl can participate in the pope's "Choir Boys" performance?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Yes

March 19 2011, 1:29 AM 

Yes, girls can serve whatever their sex. When the Pope had to give up the cappella-fellas he had to resort to the old falsetto singers as in Hebrew music and ALL CCM. The songs had to be rewritten and the synthetic castratos never filled the bill.

For masculine women they also wrote "trousers songs" so the Ambi-sex singers are with us today.

But they ARE the meaning of Anathema: once they have made themselves as a superior gift for the temple they could NOT be redeemed and had to be burned.

I am still astounded: there are two or three very insane people who cannot even Cut N Paste Scripture without getting RACAized, OR we are witnessing something of Biblical Proportion.

Scripture makes it clear that there are two races of people and that might be the meaning of predestinated. Maybe a recessive gene since Satan wholly seduced Eve in a sexual sense and Cain was "of that wicked one" accounts for the difference:

The LOGOS or Word of God through Jesus Christ as the SOLE resource for teaching.

The MYTHOS race (vipers, crooked race) who cannot digest simple prose and presume to improve on God's Word by accompanying it with singing, clapping and playing instruments. Once you really get the picture fixed in your mind you understand that picturing God as a singy-clappy is of necessity beyond redemption. If you don't know that God is God and you are not you will not be able to find that little gate at the end of a narrow path made STRAIT by all of the viper-race making noise.

If you can't get it you cant get it because you can't get it and you never will.

 
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Dave
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Eh???

March 21 2011, 7:37 PM 

Self-fulfilling Ken?
For you certainly haven't got it up to this point.
However, there is still time!

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Eh???

March 21 2011, 10:14 PM 

Instead of automatically assuming that Ken is wrong because Dave doesn't understand him, why doesn't Dave just ask Ken to explain himself so that even Dave can comprehend?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Why some CANNOT hear the Word!

March 21 2011, 11:01 PM 

God HIDES himself from the WISE (Sophists: speakers, singers, instrument players pretending to AID God.)
Jesus refused and refuses to pray form the WORLD. We are commanded to save ourselves from the CROOKED race of people. You have to conclude that we are spirits sent into the world to OVERCOME the world and not imitate the world.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Our Spirit like that of Christ in Jesus of Nazareth returns to the sender only if they have endured "boot camp."

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:
......for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
......and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


Church is about seeking God: the only worship concept is to "give heed and diligently seek the mind of Christ." You cannot do that listening to those "of the world" from whom God hides Himself.

Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,
......This day is salvation come to this house,
......forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.


Sons of Abraham WILL want to be baptized to become sons of God.

For instance,

1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation,
......a royal priesthood,
......an holy nation,
......a peculiar people;
......that ye should shew forth the praises of him
......who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Peter 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God:
......which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
1Peter 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims,
......abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Peter 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that,
......whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works,
......which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

Hebrews 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Hebrews 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out,
......they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly:
wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God:
......for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:
......and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Hebrews 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

The HORROR of HORRORS, Jesus said that truth had been HIDDEN from the "world' and the "wise" from the foundation of the world.

The MARK used to SORT OUT the races is the LOGOS (Word, rational, spiritual) versus the MYTHOS (preaching, singing, playing) including all of the musical concepts which intends to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter priest."

Once, that Go-No-Go has been performed Jesus commanded His disciples to shake the dust off their feet and move on. If they are "wandering spirits" seeking to go home they WILL understand the meaning of the "gospel":



 
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Re: Logos versus Mythos: Straight versus Gender-Bent.

March 25 2011, 11:09 PM 

I was mistaken: the GRACES were "blue eyed blond" prostitute musicians.

Logos, verbal noun of lego
Opposite kata pathos
Opposite music, poetry or rhetoric
Oppositehuman reasoning
OppositeEpagoge bringint in to one's aid, introduction
Alurement, enticement, incantation, spell

-Logos verbal noun of lego Opposite. muthos,
Muthos 2. fiction (Opposite. logos, historic truth), Pi.O.1.29 (pl.), N.7.23 (pl.), Pl.Phd.61b, Prt.320c, 324d, etc.

3. generally, fiction, m. idioi Phld.Po.5.5; legend, myth, Hdt.2.45, Pl.R.330d, Lg. 636c,
2. public speech, m. andressi melsei Od.1.358; muthoisin skoliois Hes.Op.194; to be skilled in speech,

A muthosin skoliois is a Crooked Myth:

Acts 2:40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying,
Save yourselves from this crooked generation.Muthos is:

5. plot of a comedy or tragedy, Id.Po.1449b5, 1450a4, 1451a16.
2. fiction ( Opposite logos, historic truth), Pi.O.1.29 (pl.), N.7.23 (pl.), Pl.Phd.61b, Prt.320c, 324d, etc.
The Deipnosophists of Athenaeus of Naucratis Book XIII: Concerning Women

It is a fact that even in ancient times they loved boys, as Ariston has said, whence it came about that those who were loved were called "paidika." For in truth, as Clearchus says in the first book of his Love Stories, quoting Lycophronides: "Neither in boy, nor in gilded maid, nor in deep-bosomed matron is the countenance fair if it be not modest. For it is modesty that sows the seed of beauty's flower." And Aristotle also has said that lovers look to no other part of their favourite's body than the eyes, in which dwells modesty.
"O thou of fair countenance, Galateia, with golden curls and voice that charms, a beauty among the Loves!" Blind this praise is, and nothing like that which Ibycus utters: "Euryalus, scion of the blue-eyed Graces...darling of the fair-haired Muses, thee did Cypris and Persuasion of the tender eyes rear amid the flowers of the rose." And so Phrynichus said of Troilus: "There shines upon his crimson cheeks the light of love...

Theophrastus, in hs essay On Love, quotes the tragic poet Chaeremon as saying that just as wine is mixed to suit the character of the drinkers, so also is the emotion inspired by Eros; when he comes in moderation, he is gracious, but when he comes too intensely and puts men to utter confusion, he is most cruel...
......Wherefore this poet, aptly distinguishing the influences of Eros,
......says: "With two arrows (verily) from the Graces he stretches his bow,
......the one bringing a happy lot, the other, utter confounding of life."
Now this same poet speaks of lovers in the play entitled The Wounded Man as follows: "Who denies that lovers live at hard labour? Why, in the first place, they must ever be on the war-path, their bodies must be able to endure toil to the utmost, and they must be most patient in pursuing their desire; inventive, impulsive, eager, skilfully managing the unmanageable, in utter misery while they live!" And Theophilus in He Liked to Play the Flute: "Who says that lovers have no sense? Surely, it must be somebody whose make-up is stupid. For if one take away from life its pleasures, there's nothing else left to do but die.
......Take my own case; in loving a harp-girl, a little maid, haven't I sense, in the gods' name?
......In beauty beautiful, in stature stately, in art clever;
......just to look at her is pleasanter than working for you all the time when you have the price of admission."



 
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Dazed and Conffused

March 25 2011, 11:28 PM 

Ken said that "God HIDES himself from the WISE."

Then what about Solomon? Wasn't he wise? God loved Solomon enough to grant him wisdom, and God was pleased with Solomon's request. God was pleased because Solomon asked for wisdom instead of worldly riches.
Confused again Ken?

 
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Re: Dazed and Conffused

March 26 2011, 12:11 AM 

Israel had been turned over to worship the starry host: Solomon especially built God a HOUSE but God does not live in houses built by human hands. Solomon didn't have the wisdom NOT to build that not-commanded house by enslaving the Jews. His oppression brought on a civil war after his death.

He was not a SOPHIST but:

2445 chakkiym, khak-keemĀ“; (Aramaic) from a root corresponding to 2449; wise, i.e. a Magian:wise.
2449. chakam, khaw-kamĀ“; a primitive root, to be wise (in mind, word or act):x exceedi

Daniel 2:12 For this cause the king was angry and very furious, and commanded to destroy all the wise men of Babylon.

It would be terminal to have such a vision of God that one's wisdom presumed to supply what they pretend God forgot: they are so bold as to say that if Jesus lived in our culture he would enjoy the Lord's Supper in the midst of a barbecue dinner.

There is no human past, present or future who has the slightest ability to aid or enhance the Word of Christ: that means the Prophets and Apostles to define the church. I would classify the enablers as consistent with Waco and Jonestown. You REALLY have to think a lot to grasp the nature of people who use GRACE as their reason for ignoring Christ in the Prophets and Jesus in the Apostles. When it hits you you will believe that we are pilgrims in a strange and hostile world: Jesus doesn't even pray for those OF the world.

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation.



 
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Re: Dazed and Conffused [sic]

March 26 2011, 9:58 AM 

Once again, Dave does not comprehend.

"At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight" (Matt. 11:25-26 KJV).

Jesus had upbraided the cities in which His mighty works had been done, yet they were "wise" unto themselves and did not repent.

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe" (1 Cor. 1:18-21 KJV).

God hides Himself and His Gospel from those who are "wise" unto themselves and from those who take pride in their worldly knowledge and wisdom.


    
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Re: Dazed and Conffused

March 27 2011, 10:59 AM 

"God hides Himself and His Gospel from those who are "wise" unto themselves and from those who take pride in their worldly knowledge and wisdom."

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I think man separates himself from God. Does God hide His Gospel from some men? Perhaps some men reject the Gospel.




2 Peter 3:9 (King James Version)

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.



Revelation 3:20 (King James Version)

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

 
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Never follow a multitude to do evil

March 27 2011, 4:24 PM 

I am puzzled: is it really a fact that men see "godliness as a means of financial gain" or occupation and discover that they do NOT have to preach the truth to fool the masses most of the time.

Or, is it true as Paul spoke of the MANY in Thessalonia who are identified as pretend teachers of the new faith and said "if they will not work neither let them eat."

Or, is it a fact that the MASSES preach and believe that God can be pleasured or appeased by our music and therefore he NEVER said anything against musical instruments in his presence are OF the World or of the WISE or of the PRUDENT and are agents of an alien power:
Refusing to take pay from his present teaching area was Paul's ONLY approoved example of a way to smoke them out.

2Corinthians 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


They PRETEND that God never opposed instruments but they HISS loudly as they cast you out of your (now their) synagoguel.

Take a look at the PRUDENT from whom God HIDES Himself: musical or hypocritic performance was the EASIEST and most profound MARK OF THE BEAST where "theiron means a new style of music or drama." Sorry about the pictures: I will post this in my Matthew 11 paper:

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The Wise

March 27 2011, 8:32 PM 

Some people know what the Word says, but they want what they want instead of what God wants.
Does the Word of God contradict itself? Never. Some men just distort God's Word to suit their own selfish desires.
1 Kings 3
11 Then God said to him: Because you have asked this thing, and have not asked long life for yourself, nor have asked riches for yourself, nor have asked the life of your enemies, but have asked for yourself understanding to discern justice, 12 behold, I have done according to your words; see, I have given you a WISE and understanding heart, so that there has not been anyone like you before you, nor shall any like you arise after you. 13 And I have also given you what you have not asked: both riches and honor, so that there shall not be anyone like you among the kings all your days. 14 So if you walk in My ways, to keep My statutes and My commandments, as your father David walked, then I will lengthen your days.

Proverbs 3:35
The wise shall inherit glory, But shame shall be the legacy of fools.
Proverbs 9:9
Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser; Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning
Proverbs 10:5
He who gathers in summer is a wise son; He who sleeps in harvest is a son who causes shame.
Proverbs 10:8
The wise in heart will receive commands, But a prating fool will fall.
Proverbs 10:14
Wise people store up knowledge, But the mouth of the foolish is near destruction.
Proverbs 10:19
In the multitude of words sin is not lacking, But he who restrains his lips is wise.
Proverbs 11:29
He who troubles his own house will inherit the wind, And the fool will be servant to the wise of heart.
Proverbs 11:30
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, And he who wins souls is wise.
Proverbs 12:15
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But he who heeds counsel is wise.
Proverbs 12:18
There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword, But the tongue of the wise promotes health.
Proverbs 13:1
A wise son heeds his fathers instruction,But a scoffer does not listen to rebuke
Proverbs 13:14
The law of the wise is a fountain of life, To turn one away from the snares of death.
Proverbs 13:20
He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will be destroyed.


etc., etc.

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Re: The Wise

March 27 2011, 9:33 PM 

Since the New Testament says that God will destroy the wisdom of the wise (those who pride themselves in their worldly wisdom) and that God makes foolish the wisdom of this world (see my previous post for the reference), that is good enough for me. That should also be good enough for you.

 
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Two kinds of wisdom

March 27 2011, 11:44 PM 


1Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

This wisdom of the SOPHISTS, we have noted and noted is specificially anything the hypocritic arts and crafts can compose. By definition, man's wisdom in the pseuto-churches is specificially that which Jesus condemns as the hypocricy of the Scribes and Pharisees (writers and preachers and singers Ezek 33)

Of the world or KOSMOS specificially identifies the superstition that music controls everything including the stars.

There is no humanoid with any skill which he / she /it sells pretending to speak for God we noted that Christ in Jeremiah 23 called "blasphemy."

For it is written (Scripture), He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. (Astuteness)

Drassomai: II. c. acc., take by handfuls, tautas tas mneas d. Hdt.3.13; also, catch, tous sophous en t panourgia autn 1 Ep.Cor.3.20.

These SELF-wise teknokrats are SOPHISTS rhetoricians, singers, players, actors using the works of their own hands which CANNOT be used by God.

Craftiness is Panourgia , Cic. N. D. 3, 30, 74.
B. Cunning, artfulness:sophistry. knavery, rogery, villany


HH 4 483 What skill is this? What song for desperate cares? What way of song? For verily here are three things to hand all at once from which to choose, mirth, and love, and sweet sleep.
[450] And though I am a follower of the Olympian Muses who love dances and the bright path of song
the full-toned chant and ravishing thrill of flutes

yet I never cared for any of those feats of skill at young men's revels, as I do now for this:


The leaders in Ephesians are given SPECIFICIALLY to cast out these people SO THAT the role of teaching that which is written can be possible. Sophocles defined those who drive people out of their homes (one of the Psallo meanings as to crucify again) for the sake of money. They are NOT just people caught up in sin: they PROMOTE it:

Soph. Ant. 300 Nothing so evil as money ever grew to be current among men. This destroys cities, this drives men from their homes, this trains and warps honest minds to set themselves to works of shame, [300] this teaches people to practise villainies, and to know every act of unholiness. But all the men who did this job for hire have made sure that, sooner or later, they shall suffer the punishment.

http://www.piney.com/Ephesians.4.Unity.in.Diversity.html

Remember? "Nothing to the cross I bring." That is true but the CRAFTSMEN (Sorcerers Rev 18) claim that they can bring THEIR songs and sermons and instruments. You need to hiss and boo and laugh them to scorn or the blind will fall into the same ditch (pit as in hell)

The MARK of the elders who have allowed the WOLVES to take the "worship" captive is specificially the new spawn of preachers trained in acting, music and pulling their sheep skin over the fool's eyes."

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A More Comprehensive Definition

March 28 2011, 11:29 AM 

Ken mentioned that "By definition, man's wisdom in the pseuto-churches is specificially that which Jesus condemns as the hypocricy of the Scribes and Pharisees (writers and preachers and singers Ezek 33)"

Let us continue on with what the definition of man is. It would include those that don't believe in the Power of God to keep His 66 books intact. Man's wisdom believes he can interpret the Word better than the interpreters (KJV, NIV, etc.) used by God. Man's wisdom believes that he needs additional books to give himself a better understanding further than what is already there. Man's wisdom believes that 66 books aren't enough while believing that the Word isn't complete.
Know what I mean Ken?

 
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Not really!

March 28 2011, 12:33 PM 

Aren't we lucky that Ken doesn't corrupt the Word meaning "selling learning at retail."

I just keep searching trying to find a way of escape for those who flaunt in the "holy place" that which Jesus defined as hypocrisy and consigned to the market place along with selling young boys and radishes.

Not even the most backward permitted poets who wanted to get paid for 'performing.'
They slathered him with myrrh and honey and covered him with feathers or cotton and rode him out of town.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until
......now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence,
......and the violent take it by force.

Matthew 11.12 a diebus autem Iohannis Baptistae usque nunc regnum caelorum vim patitur et violenti rapiunt illud

I don't think any pulpiteer knows or needs to know that the WORD is:

ptor , passus, 3, v. dep. (2. To suffer, have, meet with, be visited or afflicted with (mostly postAug.):
1. In mal. part., to submit to another's lust, to prostitute one's self, Plaut. Capt. 4, 2, 87; cf. Sall. C. 13, 3; Sen. Q. N. 1, 16; Petr. 25; 140.


Remember that I told you that Jesus said the Scribes and Pharisees were hypocrites: in the Ezekiel 33 version Christ named speakers, singers and instrument players. However, this was violently taking away the rule of God in their heart.

Sal. Cat. 13 For why should I mention those displays of extravagance, which can be believed by none but those who have seen them; as that mountains have been leveled, and seas covered with edifices, by many private citizens; men whom I consider to have made a sport of their wealth, since they were impatient to squander disreputably what they might have enjoyed with honor.

But the love of irregular gratification, open debauchery, and all kinds of luxury, had spread abroad with no less force. Men forgot their sex; women threw off all the restraints of modesty. To gratify appetite, they sought for every kind of production by land and by sea; they slept before there was any inclination for sleep; they no longer waited to feel hunger, thirst, cold, or fatigue, but anticipated them all by luxurious indulgence. Such propensities drove the youth, when their patrimonies were exhausted, to criminal practices; for their minds, impregnated with evil habits, could not easily abstain from gratifying their passions, and were thus the more inordinately devoted in every way to rapacity and extravagance.





    
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What Happened at the Madison Church of Christ?


There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least you will recognize the signs early on.

Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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