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Grace Centered Magazine Advertises End of world, May 21

April 15 2011 at 11:08 PM
  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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If they could make it May 10 I would not have to celebrate wedding 54, wife's birthday, mother's day, kids and dogs.

Interestingly, their prophet uses 2 Peter 3 as a primary key to the end of the world. So, I did a quick study of 2 Peters 3

The Grace-Centered Magazine referenced advertisement reads:

"About 5,000 years later God wrote in His Holy Bible in 2 Peter Chapter 3 about this worldwide destruction by water in the days of Noah. In the same chapter He also warned that the time would come when Holy God would destroy the whole world by fire. Our entire universe would be forever destroyed. In between these two declarations of worldwide destruction that would come because of sin God made a very important statement. God declared in 2 Peter 3:8:

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

In 2 Peter 3:8, which is quoted above, Holy God reminds us that one day is as 1,000 years. Therefore, with the correct understanding that the seven days referred to in Genesis 7:4 can be understood as 7,000 years, we learn that when God told Noah there were seven days to escape worldwide destruction, He was also telling the world there would be exactly 7,000 years (one day is as 1,000 years) to escape the wrath of God that would come when He destroys the world on Judgment Day. Because Holy Infinite God is all-knowing, He knows the end from the beginning. He knew how sinful the world would become.

Seven thousand years after 4990 B.C. (the year of the Flood) is the year 2011 A.D. (our calendar)

It so happens that 2 Peter 1 defines the left memory of the eye--and ear witness of Jesus Christ by the Apostles. Only the Prophets by Christ and the prophecies made more perfect is the foundation upon which the church is built. That excludes that which is not written for our learning.

2Peter 2 defines false teachers as anyone who does not teach the Christ-inspired text: it also excludes all of the hypocritic arts: rhetoricians, singers, instrument players, actors.

If 2 Peter 3 defines May 21 as the end of the World then it also defines the MARKS in sight and sound of the destruction of the deceivers as the same musical and theatrical performers. Music from mystery MEANS "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

The group or Commune all singing the same thing with music is THE way to deceive people: they are forced to confess that which is NOT "that which is written for our learning."

Strange, that GCMF has a thread for the Church of Christ which is controlled by someone not bright: Larry? Johnbp who mocks all of the Biblical data used by the historic church to identify the church as qahal, synagogue, ekklesia as a school of the Bible only. How can there be grace when people work really hard to get people to compose their own songs and sermons while accepting a wage for "teaching the Word of Christ?"

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Re: Grace Centered Magazine Advertises End of world, May 21

May 15 2011, 4:51 AM 


Is this "prophecy" by the "Worldwide Family Radio" still being advertised in Grace Centered Magazine?

GCM claims: "Its roots are in Restoration Movement Christianity, but Grace Centered is about unity and fellowship among all followers of Christ."

But yet one page lists the following "Forum Areas":
* Christian Music Lyrics
* General Christian Discussion
* Prayer Request: Online Prayer Requests
* Theology Forum
* Family Life
* Forum for Parents of Special Needs Children
* Apologetics | Christian Apologetics | Biblical Apologetics
* Christian Marriage Forum
* Christian Singles Forum
* End Times Forum
* Bible Verses
* Full Time Ministers
* History Forum
* Politics Forum | Religion and Politics | Christian Politics
* Health Forum
* Sports Forum
* Movie Reviews Forum
* Computer Assistance and Help
* Christian Business
* Christian Artists | Christian Writers
* Quotes
* Ministry Openings
* Restoration Movement Forum
* Calvinism Forum
* Arminianism Forum
* Catholicism Forum
* Cooking and Recipes Forum
* Assemblies of God Forum
* Baptist Forum
* Christian Church Forum
* Church of Christ Forum
* Disciples of Christ Forum
* Eastern Orthodox Forum
* Lutheran Forum
* Methodist Forum
* Nazarene Forum
* Pentecostal Forum
* Presbyterian Forum
* Seventh Day Adventist Forum
Since GCM concedes that it is "about unity and fellowship among all followers of Christ," does GCM also advertise that the body of Christ, His church, encompasses all the denominations, including the Roman Catholic Church?

So, besides the prophecy in question, am I looking at the correct website?

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That's it!

May 15 2011, 11:44 AM 

They have a Church of Christ forum but it is off limits to quoting the Bible and correcting their false teachings.

It is a COMMERCIAL SITE! Selling stuff. If you are ANTI Anti-instrumental church of Christ then you are okey dokey. Buff the Reformer was last pastoring for a Christian Church.

I have a Grace Centered Forum Review here.

I think this spills out of Otter Creek which is home base of the Zoe Group. Zoe as in the Eve Paul warned about and Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden.

Shiyr (h7891) sheer; or (the orig. form) 7788 (1 Sam. 18:6), shoor; a prim. root [rather ident. with 7788 through the idea of strolling minstrelsy]; to sing: - behold [by mistake for 7788], sing (-er, - ing man, -ing woman).

Shuwr (h7788) shoor; a prim. root; prop. to turn, i. e. travel about (as a harlot or a merchant): - go, sing. See also 7891.

And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell. Is.57:9

The ships of Tarshish did sing of thee in thy market: and thou wast replenished, and made very glorious in the midst of the seas. Eze.27:25

They are also ANTI-baptism and "faith only." Strange that the FAITH ONLY have to add instruments defined as a machine for doing hard work, mostly in making war and creating the shock and awe Jesus died to silence along with the Shock and Awe Teams.

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And a STRANGER is:

Zuwr (h2114) zoor; a prim. root; to turn aside (espec. for lodging); hence to be a foreigner, strange, profane; spec. (act. part.) to commit adultery: - (come from) another (man. place), fanner, go away, (e-) strange (-r, thing, woman).

Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers (h2114), as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low. Isa 25:5

A BRANCH of the strange minstrels was:

H2159 zâmyr zaw-meer'From H2168 ; a twig (as pruned):branch

H2167 zâmar zaw-mar'A primitive root (perhaps identical with H2168 through the idea of striking with the fingers); properly to touch the strings or parts of a musical instrument,

Musical Minstrels Perverted Jesus Cast them Out Like Dung.

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Re: Grace Centered Magazine Advertises End of world, May 21

May 19 2011, 10:04 AM 

Part of the alleged "proof" cited in this issue is from Revelation:

"And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man" (Rev. 9:3-5 KJV).

These end-of-the-world folks calculate their dates based on the Bible's saying that one day is as 1,000 years and 1,000 years is as one day with God. That, of course, is a metaphor meaning that time as man knows it is only relative with God. Yet the "enders" say that Judgment Day comes first on May 21, 2011, followed by the end five LITERAL months later on October 21. So the "enders" are mixing metaphorical time with "literal" time to get their alleged dates. Thats like comparing apples with oranges (just like the change agents compare PA systems with instrumental music--the two are not equivalent).

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Just lost the battle, huh?

May 19 2011, 12:27 PM 

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The Mark of the Locusts

May 19 2011, 1:46 PM 

"And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man" (Rev. 9:3-5 KJV).

John was in exile in the center of the Greek accounts: whether myths, legends or in part real fact, he and even the common people would have spent lots of time in the forums or theaters which were a center of educating the masses. The Greek society would not tolerate what goes on in the Grace-centered church of the latter plays.

Apollo (Abaddon, Apollon) will or has unleashed the locusts from the pit and John calls the rhetoricians, singers and players sorcerers who HAD deceived the whole world. They may be these old spirits doomed to try to deceive people with music in the end time or this may be a pattern or motiff which defines all falls of civilizations: Babylon, Rome, a church near you.

Whenever it happens, these are the signs of the locusts, cicallas, or some other singing insect resurrected from their sentence under the earth: we don't have many if any of the "locusts" in this cycle.

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The Muses in Revelation 18 were called "prophesyiers" in the literature John read. The other "patternism" I have discussed is that the music in the "holy place" is a sign that the speakers, singers, instrument players, craftsmen as theater builders and stage managers mark their EJECTION from the Church of Christ since the LAMPS have been removed.

Bacchus or Dionysus is the "god type" worshipped in Egypt and at Mount Sinai as the worship of the starry host. This was the Abomination of Desolation when the Greeks forced Jewish boys to singing and be prostitutes in the Jerusalem Temple. While the Jews resisted by fleeing, the FOR HIRE alien priesthood still tried this on Jesus: they piped hoping He would lament and dance. That's the homosexual initiation and that is why Jesus refused to speak clearly to them and why they were all burned up along with their harps.

Let me know if these imagas are too big. Donnie: they are 600 wide.


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Wide Images

May 20 2011, 1:43 AM 


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May 20 2011, 12:07 PM 

I believe that all of these have been resized to 600 W.

The scaled thingy is from my editor which always wants you to "name" the images.

See how these look. If I begin with 600W then the post gets longer and requires more images.


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A false prophet promotes false prophets

May 20 2011, 8:06 PM 

The World is filled with visionaries: people see things and impose instruments where the beast is Theiron including dogs, wolves and "a new style praise singing and drama."

LU brings in people to promote Spiritual Formation. They suggest that you can use your imagination to fill in the "blanks" left by God but god said the imagination of man is only evil continually.

Others hear audible voices and the leader of the instrumental "band" said that a spirit stopped his sermon and informed him that God's abandonment of Israel to worship the starry host was now the COMMANDMENT FOR INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and you had better not be disobedient. The latest NACC mantra is that God COMMANDED instruments. They led one misleader is the "father" of all of the lies because Christ in all of the Prophets warned:

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If the "rapture" is tomorrow the only RAPT word seaks of those

Pronunciation: 'rap-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin raptus
1 a : a state or experience of being carried away by overwhelming emotion b : a mystical experience in which the spirit is exalted to a knowledge of divine things

2 : an expression or manifestation of ecstasy or passion
synonym see ECSTASY

Rapio Charis. p. 39 P.), v. a. [root harp; Gr. harpê, a bird of prey, harpagê, harpazô; Lat. rapidus, rapax, rapina. lupê] , to seize and carry off, to snatch, tear, drag, draw, or hurry away, = violenter sive celeriter capio Nasonis carmina rapti, i. e. torn from his home, borne far away, Ov. P. 4, 16, 1 ; cf. id. H. 13, 9

Rapta the ravished one, the seduced
carmen , nis, n. (old form cas-men , Varr. L. L. p. 86 Bip.) [Sanscr. çasto declaim, praise; cf.: camilla, censeo],
I. a tune, song; poem, verse; an oracular response, a prophecy; a form of incantation (cf.: cano, cantus, and canto).

13. The agurtes or begging priest generally belonged to the worship of Rhea [ZOE] or Cybele, the Mother. He is frequently depicted in a most unfavorable light. Apuleius speaks of a company of these emasculate priests in the eighth book of the Metamorphoses. They are also described in the Republic of Plato:
"Agurtæ and Mantics [Paul warned about the MAD appearance in Corinth]
frequent the houses of the rich and persuade them
that they possess a power granted by the gods to expiate,
by sacrifices and chants any unjust act that has been committed
and that they induce the gods by blandishments and magic rites
to help them.

They collected money in this way, and they also followed the selling of nostrums
and telling of fortunes."
[lord, lord prophesiers]

The speakers, singers and musicians under the mother of harlots (Rev 17)
are called sorcerers in Rev 18.

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"Wide Images" Post Edited

May 21 2011, 1:31 AM 


I have edited "Wide Images" that I posted earlier. Please review. Thanks!


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updated the image

May 21 2011, 12:32 PM 

I have edited the Isaiah.Amos table to include Jeremiah 7:22-23 to prove that God didn't command the sacrifices: they came along with God turning them over to worship the starry host. The "noise" was a burden or curse imposed on the tribe of Levi warned against by Jacob in Genesis 49: Moses leaps ahead to totally negate everything between the curse at Mount Sinai and the coming of Jesus out of the tribe of Judah. And yet, the leaders of the wolf pack stand up before God and the "flock" and tell them that God COMMANDED instrumental praise and to NOT do it would be disobedience. This is the affliction heaped on by the NACC who found a few dupes to lead a "unity movement." All of those who have added "Worship Teams" follow the same Judas Goat but don't have the nerve to "go all of the way."

Nothing could be clearer from an honest reader of the Bible is that there was a CIVIL-MILITARY-CLERGY complex used by God to carry the burden of the worship of the starry host, and an ekklesia or synagogue assembly for LEARNING ONLY for the godly people quarantined from the Holocaust hidden behind walls. Didn't Jesus call them hypocrites--rhetoricians, singers, instrument players--and HID Himself from the WISE and Jesus didn't even pray for the WORLD all of the MARKED groups squander the widow's living to attract.

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One more "wide image" ... I think

May 21 2011, 8:20 PM 

By reading the whole thought pattern you will save yourself lots of pain and not lead the lambs into the wolf den. Inspired writers "fully expound" what they mean to prevent us from private interpretation or further expounding. That is called corrupting the Word like the Scribes and Pharisees to "sell learning at retail.

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this is it

May 21 2011, 8:48 PM 

try again

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My world didn't change

May 21 2011, 8:59 PM 

The problem with defending or enabling the message of a false prophet for profit is a very fatal problem. You cannot be a chatty kathy and be so wrong.

The problem false prophets or false teachers (2 Peter1-1) is that you destroy the REST Jesus died to give us and you may cause the weak minded to do something destructive. This is so serious that the universal message of the Bible is the YOUR thoughts are not GOD'S thoughts and YOU are bound to teach that which is written AS it is written.

Any literate person should be anxious to see how these patterns of folly have played out in every generation.

My forestry guy estimated $900.00 for clean up: that's p;retty close to the end of the world.

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Re: One more "wide image" ... I think

May 22 2011, 12:17 AM 

---p:// = 600px × 467px (scaled to 700px × 590px)

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---p:// = 826px × 227px (scaled to 700px × 199px)

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May 22 2011, 12:25 AM 

As far as I know people read Ephesians 5 like an "unknown tongue." The theology is that Paul said, "Now, don't get EXCESSIVELY drunk before you speak the Biblical text. In the Greek literature getting drunk on wine was equivalent to getting drunk on passion or pride: music was always believed to be much m

In outlawing "wine" Paul was outlawing anything likely to be produced by drinking wine in a tavern. Drunks sing, dance, clap, play instruments and play with one another. Any in-depth reading of the Bible beginning in the Garden and ending with the Babylon mother of harlots (Rev 17) who uses the lusted after fruits (same as in Amos). They are rhetoricians, singers, instrument players or any of the CRAFTSMANSHIP required to keep a modern mega-church-tower of Babylon from tottering are called SORCERERS. Christ called them hypocrites.

Revised Table

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Any one who can define "disciple" or "ekklesia" will have not problem grasping that.

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This Is May 22, 2011

May 22 2011, 2:40 AM 

So, what's happened to GCM's advertisement (and endorsement) of the Worldwide Family Radio's doctrine:

MAY 21, 2011

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Few Tornados....a Few Volcano Eruptions....but No Earthquakes

May 23 2011, 2:43 PM 

Well....boys......I see you faired about at good as I did......we are all still here.....getting a second chance........

Not much account to me. I have been getting a second chance everyday since I became a follower of Jesus.

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More proof of the burning process

May 30 2011, 11:38 PM 

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Proof that the spirits of those who hate truth is being consumed so that they have no ability to move into a totally spirit world. They are body today, tommorrow and forever.

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Malachi 3 and Malachi 4

June 1 2011, 1:53 PM

Because the evidence is so 100% overwhelming, and those standing in the "holy place" DENY that there is any evidence against instruments, it is very likely that they are what Jesus called Sons of The Devil: the identifying mark is that they speak on their own. Further marked as hypocrites in Ezekiel 33 as Rhetoricians, singers and instrument players. That is why they go violent when you post context to refute their proof-texts. Disciples are students and not ceremonial legalists. If you are an enabler then the blind will fall into the ditch (pit or hell)

We have looked at numerous passages which by word definition identify instruments as the MARK of those who are already consuming their spirit and therefore the urge to remove Christ from their public confession and to spread hate against those ho teach and obey the command to be baptized as a request to be accepted as a Disciple of Jesus Christ Who is The Holy Spirit or post-resurrected and changed Jesus of Nazareth.

In reviewing

I put Malachi 3 and 4 on line as a partial review. Malachi 3 shows therole of the SORCERERS us their own ARTS and CRAFTS which they presumptiously claim to AID what Scripture has left us. They use music to LIGHT THE FIRES of love and lust to subdue people or "come upon them secretely." Music MEANS to make the lambs dumb before the slaughterh.

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The Heat Getting to You?

June 2 2011, 11:39 AM 

Ken, If the evidence is "100% overwhelming," then you wouldn't have to assume and interpret.
Have you now fallen in the ditch and can't get out?

Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
THAT, Ken, is 100% Proof Positive.

What you claim about music, and more importantly, make assumptions about what Jesus and others have said about music, is self-condemning.
You have been blinded. You see what you want to see instead of what God wants you to see.

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To prove a point.

June 2 2011, 12:04 PM 

You can have Jesus show up and say it and it would make NO DIFFERENCE: once you have dedicated yourself in a religious sense as adorning or AIDING God you cannot be redeemed and MUST be burned.

When Christ in Malachi 3 etal uses the word SORCERY that is self evidence. The problem is that if you are a Scribe or Pharisee (speaker, singer or instrument player) YOU cannot slow down and define your own profession wiped out.

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Malachi and the GRACE message

June 2 2011, 11:30 PM 

The evil of music in several passages was that it starved people for lack of the Word and as a result it was easy to take them captive.

Making church a ritualistic worship center--Richland Hills boasts of a mostly music worship--as opposed to ekklesia, synagogue or School of the Word is that people can deliberaly begin to burn away or destroy your spirit or mind needed to be with Jesus in the next stage.

When you sermonize and give all of yur attention to the 'worship team" or to your own singing of not or anti-Biblical words is that they can be exposing your nakedness (Re Romans 15) and you even boast about it on Facebook.

The problem is that a God given and then a God purified spirit is a very fragile thing: the crooked race always pointed to Apollo, Dionysus etal from Egypt onward uses a style of music which taps into the wave patterns in the brain and thereby forces you to dance or bow over to them. Why else would people sow so much discord trying to force people to drink their KoolAid or spreading hate to people who refuse to let their Christ-cleansed spirit be manipulated by hyhpocrites: preachers, singers, instrument players in the prophecy of Christ and all known literature.

Here is a bit more research on Malachi 3: people go ballistic because I do this while they are being seduced into body worship and claim they are superior or more GRACECENTERED. Sure enough-the GRACE concept of the world is antithetical to the grace taught by Jesus. And the fruits of being connected to Christ are NOT the samme as the chants of the fruits.

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You may if you can find the clickable links here:

You ARE worshiping the having-fallen star, Apollo,Abaddon,Apollyon, the Jews worshipped because ALL of those imposing instruments say that "a spirit" told them to use the Goat-Burning warrior noise trying to purify their temple, their bodies AND attract the bulk of the nation who REPUDIATED their slave labor driven by the musical Levites.

You shouldn't make fun of PATTERNISM because they DO repeat.

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Simplicity is Best

June 3 2011, 8:57 AM 

Ken said "people go ballistic because I do this while they are being seduced into body worship and claim they are superior or more GRACECENTERED."

Ken, you offend people because you don't do what you say. You claim to speak that which is written but use books that aren't a part of the Word (Enoch). Again, you don't believe that God has the power to keep His Word intact so you believe that something else needs added. God has directed men all along to keep His Word (66 books) just the way He wants. Then you pour in your Greek mythology and expect to be credited with teaching the Truth? The Word is more than competent to stand alone. It doesn't need yours or my interpretation. It doesn't need commentaries nor Greek mythology to explain it. It is FULL and COMPLETE and needs NOTHING nor ANYONE to add anything to it. Ken, think about it. Greek mythology. Think especially about the second word. MYTHOLOGY.
Ken, in the OT men worshipped pagan gods. Those gods only existed in their minds. All of these greek gods that you speak of do not exist. There is only ONE GOD.

Myth: a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence

Sometimes, even for those who believe that they know have to make it simple for them so they can understand.

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Re: Simplicity is Best

June 3 2011, 11:06 AM 

Dave still claims to speak for everyone, when he only speaks for himself. Ken offends only Dave, because Dave still doesn't (and never will) really understand what Ken is talking about.

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Don't waste your mind and time on songs and sermons that rhyme

June 3 2011, 11:36 AM 

Prince the Piper
A little, friv'lous, abject mind,
Pleased with the rabble, puff'd with wind,
When once, as fast as pride presumes,
Itself with vanity it plumes,

Is by fond lightness brought with ease
To any ridicule you please.
One Prince, a piper to the play,
Was rather noted in his way,

As call'd upon to show his art,
Whene'er Bathyllus did his part,
He being at a certain fair,
(I do not well remember where,)

While they pull'd down the booth in haste,
Not taking heed, his leg displaced,
He from the scaffold fell so hard-
(Would he his pipes had rather marr'd!

Though they, poor fellow! were to him
As dear almost as life and limb).
Borne by the kind officious crowd,
Home he's conducted, groaning loud.

Some months elapsed before he found
Himself recover'd of his wound:
Meantime, according to their way,
The droll frequenters of the play

Had a great miss of him, whose touch
The dancers' spirits raised so much.
A certain man of high renown
Was just preparing for the town

Some games the mob to entertain,
When Prince began to walk again;
Whom, what with bribes and pray'rs, his grace?
Prevail'd upon to show his face

In this performance, by all means-
And while he waits behind the scenes,
A rumour through the house is spread,
By certain, that "the piper's dead."

Others cried out, "The man is here,
And will immediately appear."
The curtain draws, the lightnings flash,
The gods speak out their usual trash.

An ode, not to the Piper known,
Was to the chorus leader shown,
Which he was order'd to repeat,
And which was closed with this conceit-
"Receive with joy, O loyal Rome,
Thy Prince just rescued from his tomb."
They all at once stand up and clap,
At which my most facetious chap

Kisses his hand, and scrapes and bows
To his good patrons in the house.
First the equestrian order smoke
The fool's mistake, and high in joke,

Command the song to be encored;
Which ended, flat upon the board
The Piper falls, the knights acclaim;
The people think that Prince's aim

Is for a crown of bays at least.
Now all the seats perceived the jest,
And with his bandage white as snow,
White frock, white pumps, a perfect beauty

Proud of the feats he had achieved,
And these high honours he received,
With one unanimous huzza,
Poor Prince was kick'd out of the play.

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Still running on empty

July 31 2011, 8:58 PM 

Looks like Grace Centered Forum is running on empty: vain and vapid.
That's what happens when you are willing to teach false doctrine but not brave enough to let the Bible do the speaking.

I check in every once in a while and understand why it is an orphan.

Don't forget to remember that I am still posting BIBLE in Review at this site.

If Jesus ever said it they will deny it: that fine. They DENY the only means of GRACE.

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No grace for that band of brothers who love to call Jesus a liar about baptism.

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Re: Grace Centered Magazine Advertises End of world, May 21

December 1 2011, 12:51 AM 

I'd like to know more about Grace Centered Forums.

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Re: Grace Centered Magazine Advertises End of world, May 21

December 1 2011, 7:27 PM

Lollipop, follow the above link. I think that "End of world, May 21" was just an ad that run on their site. I am not sure who sponsered the advertisement.

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Re: Grace Centered Magazine Advertises End of world, May 21

December 21 2011, 4:21 AM 

Thank you for the link. I have some things I'd like to say about this forum, things that are going on but I don't want to say anything on here out in the open.

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Re: Grace Centered Magazine Advertises End of world, May 21

December 21 2011, 4:47 AM 

I've tried to email ken but his email isn't working.

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end of the world

December 21 2011, 10:17 AM 

It may have been an ADD--commerce you know.

However this was at the same time all of the ANTI church of Christ people were posting their attacks and radically modifying my posts--mostly Scripture--or eleminating them totally. Finally "black-listing" my posts in the PSEUTO-Church of Christ thread moderated by Larry? and Johnbp. At the same time lots of personal attacks on me personally.

If you attack me or the forum personally I would hope that you would point to something about Scripture.


Yes, we know about people who sow discord and blame those who have been DEPRIVED of their church property and family for resisting.


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Re: end of the world

January 13 2012, 5:54 AM 

Well, I got banned from 'grace centered forums'

To anyone reading this 'STAY AWAY FROM THAT UNGODLY PLACE!'

It is the most unchristian and appalling place that I have ever seen masquearding as a christian forum. It is anything but.
You are persecuted for being a christian while those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit and those who are unsaved are allowed to say as they like.
Woe to you Admin, you have a lot to give an account for on judgement day.

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Congratulations for being viper bit!

January 13 2012, 12:40 PM 

They are a pretty vile bunch: sad, sad that those claiming to be preachers will hurt you real bad if you even respond to their claim of authority from God to use musical machines. Pugilist at best


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Lee Freeman

January 13 2012, 1:11 PM 

I was scanning and came upon Lee Freeman's twisting of the bible and recorded history:

Lee FreemanThe Christian Church, or Disciples of Christ, was officially founded when Thomas and Alexander Campbells Disciples, or Reformers, and Stones Christians, united on New Years Day, 1832 in Lexington, Kentucky. Stone had begun a unity and reform movement as a result of events that flowed out of the famous Cane Ridge Revival of 1801, the revival which began the Second Great Awakening on the American Frontier.

Of course as I would say on my kinder days: that is a bald faced lie. The disciples of Stone were a product of the witchcraft at Cane Ridge, Ky (bourbon county!) had nothing in common with what became Churches of Christ. At that time Stone didn't believe in baptism and denied the Atonement. Both Stone and Campbell DENIED that there was ever a union but Lee Freeman etal can never quit lying as a way to blame those who NEVER used machines for refusing ALWAYS to be forced into sinning against God and HIS Word

1934 came AFTE 1932:

In The Christian Messenger for November, 1834, is quoted an article from the Millennial Harbinger (Campbell's paper) as follows:

"Or does he (Stone) think that one or two individuals, of and for themselves, should propose and effect a formal union among the hundred of congregations scattered over this continent, called Christians or Disciples, without calling upon the different congregations to express an opinion or a wish upon the subject?

We discover, or think we discover, a squinting at [14] some sort of precedency or priority in the claims of the writer of the above article," etc.

It is well known that Mr. Campbell insisted upon immersion before believers were received into fellowship, to which Stone answered:

"We cannot, with our present views, unite on the opinions that unimmersed persons cannot receive remission of sins."

And though later on he came to teach immersion in water for the remission of sins, there is no evidence that he ever made it a test of fellowship, without which he could not have been a member of the Disciples of Christ.

Did Barton W. Stone Join the Disciples of Christ
Because UNITY or agreeing to disagree was so important to Barton W. Stone he,
too, saw the .... Of this union The Christian Messenger, edited by Rev. ..

People can make a profession of lying ABOUT churches of Christ but are not manly enough to allow any real rebuttal. Even pseudo-church of Christ preachers will pour out venom if you cross their paths with too much Bible.

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Re: Congratulations for being viper bit!

January 13 2012, 3:24 PM 

That place seems pretty dead to me. I rarely look at it anymore.

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