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Grace Centered Magazine Advertises End of world, May 21

April 15 2011 at 11:08 PM
Ken Sublet  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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If they could make it May 10 I would not have to celebrate wedding 54, wife's birthday, mother's day, kids and dogs.

Interestingly, their prophet uses 2 Peter 3 as a primary key to the end of the world. So, I did a quick study of 2 Peters 3

The Grace-Centered Magazine referenced advertisement reads:

"About 5,000 years later God wrote in His Holy Bible in 2 Peter Chapter 3 about this worldwide destruction by water in the days of Noah. In the same chapter He also warned that the time would come when Holy God would destroy the whole world by fire. Our entire universe would be forever destroyed. In between these two declarations of worldwide destruction that would come because of sin God made a very important statement. God declared in 2 Peter 3:8:

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

In 2 Peter 3:8, which is quoted above, Holy God reminds us that one day is as 1,000 years. Therefore, with the correct understanding that the seven days referred to in Genesis 7:4 can be understood as 7,000 years, we learn that when God told Noah there were seven days to escape worldwide destruction, He was also telling the world there would be exactly 7,000 years (one day is as 1,000 years) to escape the wrath of God that would come when He destroys the world on Judgment Day. Because Holy Infinite God is all-knowing, He knows the end from the beginning. He knew how sinful the world would become.

Seven thousand years after 4990 B.C. (the year of the Flood) is the year 2011 A.D. (our calendar)


It so happens that 2 Peter 1 defines the left memory of the eye--and ear witness of Jesus Christ by the Apostles. Only the Prophets by Christ and the prophecies made more perfect is the foundation upon which the church is built. That excludes that which is not written for our learning.

2Peter 2 defines false teachers as anyone who does not teach the Christ-inspired text: it also excludes all of the hypocritic arts: rhetoricians, singers, instrument players, actors.

If 2 Peter 3 defines May 21 as the end of the World then it also defines the MARKS in sight and sound of the destruction of the deceivers as the same musical and theatrical performers. Music from mystery MEANS "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

The group or Commune all singing the same thing with music is THE way to deceive people: they are forced to confess that which is NOT "that which is written for our learning."

http://www.piney.com/2.Peter.3.End.Time.Mockers.html

Strange, that GCMF has a thread for the Church of Christ which is controlled by someone not bright: Larry? Johnbp who mocks all of the Biblical data used by the historic church to identify the church as qahal, synagogue, ekklesia as a school of the Bible only. How can there be grace when people work really hard to get people to compose their own songs and sermons while accepting a wage for "teaching the Word of Christ?"





    
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Grace Centered Magazine Advertises End of world, May 21

May 15 2011, 4:51 AM 

Ken,

Is this "prophecy" by the "Worldwide Family Radio" still being advertised in Grace Centered Magazine?

GCM claims: "Its roots are in Restoration Movement Christianity, but Grace Centered is about unity and fellowship among all followers of Christ."

But yet one page lists the following "Forum Areas":
* Christian Music Lyrics
* General Christian Discussion
* Prayer Request: Online Prayer Requests
* Theology Forum
* Family Life
* Forum for Parents of Special Needs Children
* Apologetics | Christian Apologetics | Biblical Apologetics
* Christian Marriage Forum
* Christian Singles Forum
* End Times Forum
* Bible Verses
* Full Time Ministers
* History Forum
* Politics Forum | Religion and Politics | Christian Politics
* Health Forum
* Sports Forum
* Movie Reviews Forum
* Computer Assistance and Help
* Christian Business
* Christian Artists | Christian Writers
* Quotes
* Ministry Openings
* Restoration Movement Forum
* Calvinism Forum
* Arminianism Forum
* Catholicism Forum
* Cooking and Recipes Forum
* Assemblies of God Forum
* Baptist Forum
* Christian Church Forum
* Church of Christ Forum
* Disciples of Christ Forum
* Eastern Orthodox Forum
* Lutheran Forum
* Methodist Forum
* Nazarene Forum
* Pentecostal Forum
* Presbyterian Forum
* Seventh Day Adventist Forum
Since GCM concedes that it is "about unity and fellowship among all followers of Christ," does GCM also advertise that the body of Christ, His church, encompasses all the denominations, including the Roman Catholic Church?

So, besides the prophecy in question, am I looking at the correct website?

 
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Ken Sublet
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That's it!

May 15 2011, 11:44 AM 

They have a Church of Christ forum but it is off limits to quoting the Bible and correcting their false teachings.

It is a COMMERCIAL SITE! Selling stuff. If you are ANTI Anti-instrumental church of Christ then you are okey dokey. Buff the Reformer was last pastoring for a Christian Church.

I have a Grace Centered Forum Review here.

http://www.piney.com/GraceCenteredReview.html

I think this spills out of Otter Creek which is home base of the Zoe Group. Zoe as in the Eve Paul warned about and Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden.

Shiyr (h7891) sheer; or (the orig. form) 7788 (1 Sam. 18:6), shoor; a prim. root [rather ident. with 7788 through the idea of strolling minstrelsy]; to sing: - behold [by mistake for 7788], sing (-er, - ing man, -ing woman).

Shuwr (h7788) shoor; a prim. root; prop. to turn, i. e. travel about (as a harlot or a merchant): - go, sing. See also 7891.

And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell. Is.57:9

The ships of Tarshish did sing of thee in thy market: and thou wast replenished, and made very glorious in the midst of the seas. Eze.27:25


They are also ANTI-baptism and "faith only." Strange that the FAITH ONLY have to add instruments defined as a machine for doing hard work, mostly in making war and creating the shock and awe Jesus died to silence along with the Shock and Awe Teams.

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And a STRANGER is:

Zuwr (h2114) zoor; a prim. root; to turn aside (espec. for lodging); hence to be a foreigner, strange, profane; spec. (act. part.) to commit adultery: - (come from) another (man. place), fanner, go away, (e-) strange (-r, thing, woman).

Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers (h2114), as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low. Isa 25:5

A BRANCH of the strange minstrels was:

H2159 zâmyr zaw-meer'From H2168 ; a twig (as pruned):branch

H2167 zâmar zaw-mar'A primitive root (perhaps identical with H2168 through the idea of striking with the fingers); properly to touch the strings or parts of a musical instrument,


Musical Minstrels Perverted Jesus Cast them Out Like Dung.

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Grace Centered Magazine Advertises End of world, May 21

May 19 2011, 10:04 AM 

Part of the alleged "proof" cited in this issue is from Revelation:

"And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man" (Rev. 9:3-5 KJV).

These end-of-the-world folks calculate their dates based on the Bible's saying that one day is as 1,000 years and 1,000 years is as one day with God. That, of course, is a metaphor meaning that time as man knows it is only relative with God. Yet the "enders" say that Judgment Day comes first on May 21, 2011, followed by the end five LITERAL months later on October 21. So the "enders" are mixing metaphorical time with "literal" time to get their alleged dates. Thats like comparing apples with oranges (just like the change agents compare PA systems with instrumental music--the two are not equivalent).

 
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Ken Sublet
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Just lost the battle, huh?

May 19 2011, 12:27 PM 



    
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Ken Sublet
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The Mark of the Locusts

May 19 2011, 1:46 PM 

"And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man" (Rev. 9:3-5 KJV).

John was in exile in the center of the Greek accounts: whether myths, legends or in part real fact, he and even the common people would have spent lots of time in the forums or theaters which were a center of educating the masses. The Greek society would not tolerate what goes on in the Grace-centered church of the latter plays.

Apollo (Abaddon, Apollon) will or has unleashed the locusts from the pit and John calls the rhetoricians, singers and players sorcerers who HAD deceived the whole world. They may be these old spirits doomed to try to deceive people with music in the end time or this may be a pattern or motiff which defines all falls of civilizations: Babylon, Rome, a church near you.

Whenever it happens, these are the signs of the locusts, cicallas, or some other singing insect resurrected from their sentence under the earth: we don't have many if any of the "locusts" in this cycle.

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The Muses in Revelation 18 were called "prophesyiers" in the literature John read. The other "patternism" I have discussed is that the music in the "holy place" is a sign that the speakers, singers, instrument players, craftsmen as theater builders and stage managers mark their EJECTION from the Church of Christ since the LAMPS have been removed.

Bacchus or Dionysus is the "god type" worshipped in Egypt and at Mount Sinai as the worship of the starry host. This was the Abomination of Desolation when the Greeks forced Jewish boys to singing and be prostitutes in the Jerusalem Temple. While the Jews resisted by fleeing, the FOR HIRE alien priesthood still tried this on Jesus: they piped hoping He would lament and dance. That's the homosexual initiation and that is why Jesus refused to speak clearly to them and why they were all burned up along with their harps.

Let me know if these imagas are too big. Donnie: they are 600 wide.

Ken



 
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Wide Images

May 20 2011, 1:43 AM 

Testing.


    
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Ken Sublet
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Resized

May 20 2011, 12:07 PM 

I believe that all of these have been resized to 600 W.

The scaled thingy is from my editor which always wants you to "name" the images.

See how these look. If I begin with 600W then the post gets longer and requires more images.

Ken

 
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A false prophet promotes false prophets

May 20 2011, 8:06 PM 

The World is filled with visionaries: people see things and impose instruments where the beast is Theiron including dogs, wolves and "a new style praise singing and drama."

LU brings in people to promote Spiritual Formation. They suggest that you can use your imagination to fill in the "blanks" left by God but god said the imagination of man is only evil continually.

Others hear audible voices and the leader of the instrumental "band" said that a spirit stopped his sermon and informed him that God's abandonment of Israel to worship the starry host was now the COMMANDMENT FOR INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and you had better not be disobedient. The latest NACC mantra is that God COMMANDED instruments. They led one misleader is the "father" of all of the lies because Christ in all of the Prophets warned:

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If the "rapture" is tomorrow the only RAPT word seaks of those

rap·ture
Pronunciation: 'rap-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin raptus
1 a : a state or experience of being carried away by overwhelming emotion b : a mystical experience in which the spirit is exalted to a knowledge of divine things

2 : an expression or manifestation of ecstasy or passion
synonym see ECSTASY


Rapio Charis. p. 39 P.), v. a. [root harp; Gr. harpê, a bird of prey, harpagê, harpazô; Lat. rapidus, rapax, rapina. lupê] , to seize and carry off, to snatch, tear, drag, draw, or hurry away, = violenter sive celeriter capio Nasonis carmina rapti, i. e. torn from his home, borne far away, Ov. P. 4, 16, 1 ; cf. id. H. 13, 9

Rapta the ravished one, the seduced
carmen , nis, n. (old form cas-men , Varr. L. L. p. 86 Bip.) [Sanscr. çasto declaim, praise; cf.: camilla, censeo],
I. a tune, song; poem, verse; an oracular response, a prophecy; a form of incantation (cf.: cano, cantus, and canto).

13. The agurtes or begging priest generally belonged to the worship of Rhea [ZOE] or Cybele, the Mother. He is frequently depicted in a most unfavorable light. Apuleius speaks of a company of these emasculate priests in the eighth book of the Metamorphoses. They are also described in the Republic of Plato:
"Agurtæ and Mantics [Paul warned about the MAD appearance in Corinth]
frequent the houses of the rich and persuade them
that they possess a power granted by the gods to expiate,
by sacrifices and chants any unjust act that has been committed
and that they induce the gods by blandishments and magic rites
to help them.

They collected money in this way, and they also followed the selling of nostrums
and telling of fortunes."
[lord, lord prophesiers]

The speakers, singers and musicians under the mother of harlots (Rev 17)
are called sorcerers in Rev 18.






    
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"Wide Images" Post Edited

May 21 2011, 1:31 AM 

Ken,

I have edited "Wide Images" that I posted earlier. Please review. Thanks!

Donnie

 
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updated the image

May 21 2011, 12:32 PM 

I have edited the Isaiah.Amos table to include Jeremiah 7:22-23 to prove that God didn't command the sacrifices: they came along with God turning them over to worship the starry host. The "noise" was a burden or curse imposed on the tribe of Levi warned against by Jacob in Genesis 49: Moses leaps ahead to totally negate everything between the curse at Mount Sinai and the coming of Jesus out of the tribe of Judah. And yet, the leaders of the wolf pack stand up before God and the "flock" and tell them that God COMMANDED instrumental praise and to NOT do it would be disobedience. This is the affliction heaped on by the NACC who found a few dupes to lead a "unity movement." All of those who have added "Worship Teams" follow the same Judas Goat but don't have the nerve to "go all of the way."

Nothing could be clearer from an honest reader of the Bible is that there was a CIVIL-MILITARY-CLERGY complex used by God to carry the burden of the worship of the starry host, and an ekklesia or synagogue assembly for LEARNING ONLY for the godly people quarantined from the Holocaust hidden behind walls. Didn't Jesus call them hypocrites--rhetoricians, singers, instrument players--and HID Himself from the WISE and Jesus didn't even pray for the WORLD all of the MARKED groups squander the widow's living to attract.

 
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One more "wide image" ... I think

May 21 2011, 8:20 PM 

By reading the whole thought pattern you will save yourself lots of pain and not lead the lambs into the wolf den. Inspired writers "fully expound" what they mean to prevent us from private interpretation or further expounding. That is called corrupting the Word like the Scribes and Pharisees to "sell learning at retail.


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this is it

May 21 2011, 8:48 PM 

try again

 
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Ken Sublet
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My world didn't change

May 21 2011, 8:59 PM 

The problem with defending or enabling the message of a false prophet for profit is a very fatal problem. You cannot be a chatty kathy and be so wrong.

The problem false prophets or false teachers (2 Peter1-1) is that you destroy the REST Jesus died to give us and you may cause the weak minded to do something destructive. This is so serious that the universal message of the Bible is the YOUR thoughts are not GOD'S thoughts and YOU are bound to teach that which is written AS it is written.

Any literate person should be anxious to see how these patterns of folly have played out in every generation.

My forestry guy estimated $900.00 for clean up: that's p;retty close to the end of the world.

 
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Re: One more "wide image" ... I think

May 22 2011, 12:17 AM 

---p://www.piney.com/Romans15Cycles.gif = 600px × 467px (scaled to 700px × 590px)

img src="---p://www.piney.com/Romans15Cycles.gif" alt="[linked image]"


---p://www.piney.com/Romans15CyclesB.gif = 826px × 227px (scaled to 700px × 199px)

img src="---p://www.piney.com/Romans15CyclesB.gif" alt="[linked image]"

TESTING


    
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Ephesians-Colossians

May 22 2011, 12:25 AM 

As far as I know people read Ephesians 5 like an "unknown tongue." The theology is that Paul said, "Now, don't get EXCESSIVELY drunk before you speak the Biblical text. In the Greek literature getting drunk on wine was equivalent to getting drunk on passion or pride: music was always believed to be much m

In outlawing "wine" Paul was outlawing anything likely to be produced by drinking wine in a tavern. Drunks sing, dance, clap, play instruments and play with one another. Any in-depth reading of the Bible beginning in the Garden and ending with the Babylon mother of harlots (Rev 17) who uses the lusted after fruits (same as in Amos). They are rhetoricians, singers, instrument players or any of the CRAFTSMANSHIP required to keep a modern mega-church-tower of Babylon from tottering are called SORCERERS. Christ called them hypocrites.

Revised Table

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Any one who can define "disciple" or "ekklesia" will have not problem grasping that.


    
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This Is May 22, 2011

May 22 2011, 2:40 AM 

So, what's happened to GCM's advertisement (and endorsement) of the Worldwide Family Radio's doctrine:
JUDGMENT DAY

THE END OF THE WORLD IS ALMOST HERE!
HOLY GOD WILL BRING JUDGMENT DAY
ON
MAY 21, 2011

 
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Few Tornados....a Few Volcano Eruptions....but No Earthquakes

May 23 2011, 2:43 PM 

Well....boys......I see you faired about at good as I did......we are all still here.....getting a second chance........

Not much account to me. I have been getting a second chance everyday since I became a follower of Jesus.

 
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More proof of the burning process

May 30 2011, 11:38 PM 

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Proof that the spirits of those who hate truth is being consumed so that they have no ability to move into a totally spirit world. They are body today, tommorrow and forever.

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Malachi 3 and Malachi 4

June 1 2011, 1:53 PM 

http://www.piney.com/Malachi.3.html

http://www.piney.com/Malachi.4.html

Because the evidence is so 100% overwhelming, and those standing in the "holy place" DENY that there is any evidence against instruments, it is very likely that they are what Jesus called Sons of The Devil: the identifying mark is that they speak on their own. Further marked as hypocrites in Ezekiel 33 as Rhetoricians, singers and instrument players. That is why they go violent when you post context to refute their proof-texts. Disciples are students and not ceremonial legalists. If you are an enabler then the blind will fall into the ditch (pit or hell)


We have looked at numerous passages which by word definition identify instruments as the MARK of those who are already consuming their spirit and therefore the urge to remove Christ from their public confession and to spread hate against those ho teach and obey the command to be baptized as a request to be accepted as a Disciple of Jesus Christ Who is The Holy Spirit or post-resurrected and changed Jesus of Nazareth.

In reviewing

http://www.piney.com/Robert.Ballard.Case.Instrumental.Music.html

I put Malachi 3 and 4 on line as a partial review. Malachi 3 shows therole of the SORCERERS us their own ARTS and CRAFTS which they presumptiously claim to AID what Scripture has left us. They use music to LIGHT THE FIRES of love and lust to subdue people or "come upon them secretely." Music MEANS to make the lambs dumb before the slaughterh.

 
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