I Still Wonder
|June 7 2011, 4:00 PM |
YOUR RENDERING of the Word of God....is not an interpretation, is it? It is 'speaking that which is written' (even if it isn't written in the 66 books), right?
Those who oppose you are only offering up an interpretation, right?
Just for clarification.....
You've got it
|June 7 2011, 4:18 PM |
I began school in a two roomed schoolhouse which was a one room school house when my parents attended and generations before.
It had an american flag and a confederate battle flag about 6 feet high.
It was never so archaic that it did not know the value of defining the meaning of words. That's where I've got it over the Phds.
The rest of it is IQ 101a which enjoys research beyond Mr. Rogers.
You cannot read the Bible without knowing the minds of the times: that's why you don't know a preacher who does not see in black text on white paper:
"Speak one to another using that which is written"
And have it encrypted as
"Sing everything BUT that which is written, singing and singing in the heart.
Then the pre-cognition hypocrites translate it:
"Let me sing to YOU and make melody with a harp."
|Dr. Bill Crump|
New Vain Repetition
|June 7 2011, 6:13 PM |
I get the impression that Dave is on a new kick. Since he is prohibited from saying that those who oppose him are cursed, are sinners, and need to repent, Dave's new strategy seems to say, "Is that really YOUR interpretation? Are you REALLY 'speaking that which is written'?" I get the impression that every time Ken posts, Dave, who has never understood Ken, will now respond with repetitious posts like that. So Dave will have gone from one kind of vain repetition (cursed--sinner--repent) to a new kind of vain repetition (your interpretation, huh?).
"Your Interpretation!!!" Pales in Comparison to....
|June 7 2011, 10:24 PM |
"That is only your interpretation, and it is wrong!!!"
The preceding remark is not that uncommon among those who are incapable of a rebuttal or counterargument. Indeed, it is often difficult to argue against historical facts, especially when they are evidences for the truth or when the truth supports the facts.
No, it's not quite like vainly repeating the "Hail, Mary." But I'm reminded of a Charismatic preacher who constantly interjects, "Hallelujah, Praise the Lord" after every statement he delivers.
There's nothing to worry about Dave vainly repeating the "it's your interpretation" bit. That pales in comparison to: "You sinned; you, sinner, repent."
Ken has done his homework and extensive research. He is always ready now to teach others the following courses in the music department: musicology 101, musical idolatry 101, idolatry 101, holy entertainment 101, the school of the Bible 101, etc.
|Dr. Bill Crump|
Re: "Your Interpretation!!!" Pales in Comparison to....
|June 7 2011, 11:52 PM |
Well, Dave's "interpretation" repetition may pale in comparison to his old "cursed--sinner--repent" repetition, but we should now expect to see a lot of that "interpretation" repetition bit time and time again in Dave's hysterical responses to Ken. It's all Dave knows how to do, now that he can't curse people here anymore.
Hope Springs Eternal
|June 7 2011, 4:38 PM |
This hasn't anything to do with music. PERIOD!
It has to do with you doing what you say NOT to do. You say to speak that which is written, but do not. It is called being a hypocrite. You believe that everyone interprets except for you, o thou vicar.
For you to believe that you need ANYTHING beyond what is written in the 66 books is laughable.
ANYONE can, from these 66 books, and NOTHING else, know WHO God IS, and WHO Jesus IS. From these 66 books, that can pattern their lives, and know that what they are doing is acceptable to God. If they do need help with an interpretation and understanding, as the eunuch did in Acts 8, I sincerely hope that they don't ask you. Not just because of you espousing skewed and false INTERPRETATIONS, but because you don't know how to show anyone that there is a HOPE for today and tomorrow. When you do speak of Jesus, it is never in the positive. If you can't show Jesus as a LIGHT and THE HOPE for the lost world, then you need not speak at all.
|June 7 2011, 10:49 PM |
I searched this entire thread for "66 books." Voila!!! The expression first appeared [and only] in your post above. If you have something else in mind, and it is not being discussed here, then, save it for another time ... or feel free to initiate a different thread. You may even title it: "66 Books ... and Then Some."
Ken has accurately identified the "hypocrite" or precisely defined "hypocrisy" -- "Let me sing to YOU and make melody with a harp."
Consult the Lord first, Dave, if He needs you to add another book or chapter to the Holy Scripture. Also, I know and the church of Christ Jesus knows what you would like to add. It is very obvious.
|June 7 2011, 11:13 PM |
The real fact about hypocrites is that they SELL you what Christ died to give you free of charge. Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites. In the prophets especially Ezekiel 33 he defines WHO IS A HYPOCRITE.
Ezekiel 33:30 Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the LORD.
Ezekiel 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh,
and they sit before thee as my people,
and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love,
but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
Ezekiel 33:32 And, lo, thou art unto them
as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice,
and can play well on an instrument:
for they hear thy words, but they do them not.
Ezekiel 33:33 And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.
A hypocrite literally means ONLY those who use the performing arts and crafts beginning with orators and including singers, players, actors etc. The mark is certain because they almost always use deceptive arts to blind people to the truth so they can get paid without working: we call them non-producers: parasites: maggots.
We use the word to speak of people who do not practice what they preach--almost always for their own profit.
Hypocrites work with sight and sound: it is a fact that the brain uses only 10% of what it sees and hears to THINK that they see and hear when they do NOT. Hypocrites are evil because they understand the nature of the brain to enchant or perform as sorcerers or witches.
That is why MAKING CAPITAL out of the Brain's effecient use of cells is always deemed to be without redemption.
I find it informative that Christ used beautiful singing accompanied with musical instruments the MARK of NOTHING: just nothing at all. When you tamper with the spirits Jesus has made holy or discerning by using tools ALWAYS said to be sourced from the Devil, there can be no redemption.
Did they pipers-parasites attack Jesus with their FLUTES?
|June 10 2011, 6:53 PM |
You will remember that the alarm word outlawed for the church in wilderness prevents "vocal or instrumental rejoicing including elevated forms of rhhetoric."
Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would attempt to triumph over Jesus: the Judas Bag for loot and the mouthpieces of wind instruments was always attached to the flute case of a "new wineskin" piper.
In both Hebrew and Greek a carnal weapon or musical instrument derive from the same word. That is why all of the ATTACK words such as psallo can beapplied to a harp (nothing else). If they were going to try to defeat Jesus with the "alarm" word then the following makes sense and defines why those caught in the viper trap cannot recover beyond personal attacks.
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Why Romans 14 - 15 outlaws the Jews and Roman Sects
|June 20 2011, 12:39 PM |
They all lie about all scholars
|June 27 2011, 6:09 PM |
No historical scholar was so uninformed that they could not tell the difference between the evil powers and the remedial Word of Christ. If you say that the church fathers were in favor of instruments. and they were antagonistic to instruments. Then you are found to be a liar willing to sow massive discord. Wittingly or not, they do the work of Satan.
Lactantius book VII Of True Worship
And whoever shall have offered to them this food, 11 [Saginam, thick coarse food, such as that which was given to gladiators] although he be an assassin, an adulterer, a sorcerer, or a parricide, he will he happy and prosperous.
Him they love, him they defend, to him they afford all things which he shall wish for. Persius therefore deservedly ridicules superstitions of this kind in his own style: 12
....."With what bribe," he says, "dost thou win the ears of gods? Is it with lungs and rich intestines?
....."He plainly perceived that there is no need of flesh for appeasing the majesty of heaven, but
.....of a pure mind and a just spirit, and a breast, as he himself says, which is generous with a natural love of honour.
.....This is the religion of heaven-not that which consists of corrupt things, but of the virtues of the soul, which has its origin from heaven;
.....this is true worship, in which the mind of the worshipper presents itself as an undefiled offering to God.
"But we have already spoken of spectacles: there remains one thing which is to be overcome by us,
.....that we be not captivated by those things which penetrate to the innermost perception. (emotions only)
.....For all those things which are unconnected with words, (just speaking in tongues)
.....that is, pleasant sounds of the air and of strings,
.....may be easily disregarded, because they do not adhere to us, and cannot be written...
Is God, therefore, the contriver both of the mind, and of the voice, and of the tongues,
.....unable to speak eloquently?
.....Yea, rather, with the greatest foresight,
.....He wished those things which are divine to be without adornment,
.....that all might understand the things which He Himself spoke to all."
Therefore God made all things to supply a contest between two things.
.....Those enticements of pleasures, then,
.....are the instruments of that whose only business it is to subdue virtue,
.....and to shut out justice from men.
.....With these soothing influences and enjoyments it captivates their souls;
.....for it knows that pleasure is the contriver of death. (Lactantius, The Divine Institutes, Ante-Nicene Fathers, VII, p. 188).