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The Community Church Movement: Now "The Emergent Church" Movement

May 15 2011 at 5:28 AM
Donnie Cruz  (Login Donnie.Cruz)
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A Long Train of Error

John Waddey

Some things in life are like a train. A powerful engine pulls a multitude of cars behind it. In religion, powerful leaders, ideas, or practices bring with them numerous other doctrines or practices.

The engine pulling the train is "The Emergent Church" Movement. When it appears, it will be towing some or all of the following practices: Taize worship (candlelight meditations), centering, labyrinths, breath prayers, Lectio Divina (meditation on a particular verse or word), Eastern mysticism, Orthodox and Roman Catholic mysticism.

Like a train emerging from a tunnel, the above items are those we can see. Other cars are yet to be revealed. Those engaged in Catholic mysticism will eventualy feel the need for aids to assist them in their spriritual exercises. Some will need rosary beads for prayer, crucifixes to wear about their necks, and the sign of the cross. Others will desire images of Christ and other spiritual heroes to bow before and adore. Some will have stations of the cross to aid them in their contemplation, holy water to help them purify their thoughts, cassocks and habits to remind them of their dedication, relics and pilgrimages to fulfill their spiritual hunger. For those embracing the more exotic Eastern mysticism, there will be mantras, yoga, altered states of mind, and ultimately panentheism and pantheism. The final step is belief that, through mysticism, men of all religions can find God and be acceptable to Him. You might say, "Oh, that will never happen!" Ten years ago no one thought the concept of the Emergent Church, with its contemplative spirituality, would ever surface among our brethren. It has arrived!

Should the more adventurous and enterprising change agents decide to do some or all of these things, on what basis could any of their comrades object?

  • They could not object that the Bible says nothing about such things. They have already decided that the silence of the Scripture is permissive, not prohibitive. They did this to justify their use of instrumental music.

  • They could not argue that it is denominational. They see nothing wrong with being denominational. In fact, they long to be recognized as denominational.

  • They cannot complain that it might lead to New Age religion, Catholicism, or Paganism. They have already conceded that spiritual rewards can be received from using these practices regardless of their origin.

  • They cannot reason that such conduct would be unbecoming to those professing to be New Testament Christians. They long ago cast aside that claim, insisting that they could draw from the Old Testament and other meaningful sources for their worship.

  • They cannot say that to do so would be surrendering to culture. They have argued that, to survive, the church must embrace the culture in which she finds herself.

  • They cannot say it would hurt the church. They have already inflicted many painful wounds on the body of Christ without shame or regret. A few more would be of no consequence to them.

  • They cannot condemn those who might go to such extremes. Being thorough-going Postmoderns, they cannot bring themselves to pass judgment on the beliefs and practices of one of their own.

Remember, the engine pulling the many and varied cars is the Emergent Church Movement. It is widespread in Evangelical circles and is already being promoted by our change agents.

John Waddey, Editor
Christianity: Then and Now


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Ken Sublet
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ACU and Lipscomb Already

May 15 2011, 12:34 PM 

You can get a degree in Spiritual formation: all of these are ancient and latter day Catholic programs.

If you read a passage and one word "strikes" you, you should ignore the text and chant and meditate on THAT word (even if you cannot define it). The "spirits" will speak to you directly. This is a product of Feminist Theology

That's why they are driven further into delusions when you quote the Bible in context. All of this, especially music from mystery always meant "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." In all pagan sacrificial systems it was called sacred violence.

However, we have proven from the TEXT which they reject that this is THE MEANING of strong delusions. Their lying wonders are specificially trying to WORK really hard to get a message from a spirit from your own head.

That's why there can be no repentance and no redemption.

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Donnie Cruz
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The Emergent Church Movement

June 13 2011, 3:48 AM 


"Remember, the engine pulling the many and varied cars is the Emergent Church Movement. It is widespread in Evangelical circles and is already being promoted by our change agents."

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Ken Sublett
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Rember: lying wonder[S]

June 13 2011, 11:32 AM 

Theology stands on the foundation of the Phrenologists.
There is no such field so they just INVENTED theology.
It wouldn't be so bad but we have proven the missed the class on prepositional phrases

Next, we need some help on conjunctions: When they grasp their proof-texts they miss the fact that Scripture always follow up with BUT.

They will supply another lying wonder as fast as you can shoot them down.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Revelation 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Revelation 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

In John's symbol, Apollo (Apollyon) is the god worshipped by the Jews and the latter day church. The "locusts" are well known in the Greek world as the Muses or dirty adulterers as Apollo's musical worship team..

That is what has emerged.

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June 19 2011, 9:44 PM 

Chime in there Bill Crump.....come on doesn't look so one-sided if there are three of you with inputs....even if it the three inputs are still biased and legalistic.

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Donnie Cruz
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No: Rebut This One

June 19 2011, 10:28 PM 

The last paragraph of the initial post regarding the Emergent Church!!!
Remember, the engine pulling the many and varied cars is the Emergent Church Movement. It is widespread in Evangelical circles and is already being promoted by our change agents.

Get real, Dave, with what's happening in the brotherhood--thanks to the change agents and your support for the "Acts of the Change Agents." Don't confuse that with the "Acts of the Apostles"--a book of history of the New Testament church of Christ Jesus.

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: And???

June 19 2011, 11:24 PM 

I noticed that Dave didn't attempt to offer a rebuttal. Smart move. BTW, "biased and legalistic" are not elements of rebuttal; they are simply two of many words hurled in fits of name-calling. wink.gif

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June 20 2011, 1:01 AM 

Rebuttal, Bill?
You jest?
Rebuttal is out of place here. You men haven't [. . .]

See Thread: "How to Settle a Brother's Dispute with Another Brother in the Church"

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Rebuttal?

June 20 2011, 7:11 AM 

As I said, Dave cannot offer rebuttal. He cannot refute John Waddey's essay about the Emergent Church. [. . .]


See Thread: "How to Settle a Brother's Dispute with Another Brother in the Church"

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