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Dr. Bill Crump
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74.240.239.2

Re: You Go Bill!

July 6 2011, 3:44 PM 

Only uneducated folks don't care about good spelling, grammar, and punctuation. We know Dave's position on that. Is R* telling us that he and Dave think alike, unfortunately?

BTW, it looks like Dave's "shpuld-itis" is contageous; R* has caught it, too.

BTW, that's a good shot of Colonel Klink. The show may have been called Hogan's Heroes, but Klink was the true star. Without Klink, that show would have totally flopped. wink.gif


 
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R*
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98.81.113.140

Re: You Go Bill!

July 6 2011, 5:26 PM 

Just how C O N T A G I O U S is it?

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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74.179.248.126

Re: You Go Bill!

July 6 2011, 10:59 PM 

Well, it must be pretty C O N T A G I O U S. Dave typed "shpuld" and you followed right along with him. Go figure. wink.gif

BTW, always remember the words of the math teacher!

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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74.179.12.3

Re: You Go Bill!

July 7 2011, 11:27 AM 

Remember those Memorex commercials on TV? The slogan was, "Is it live or is it Memorex?" A variant of that slogan applies here: Is it a pop quiz to see if you can detect the spelling/grammatical error(s), or is it not? wink.gif

 
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R*
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98.81.66.162

Re: The Bottom Line

July 7 2011, 12:59 PM 

Who Cares?

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Dr. Bill Crump
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74.179.11.193

A Thought-Provoking Question

July 7 2011, 6:18 PM 

Given the subjects of spelling, grammar, and punctuation, what kind of person is most likely to shrug his shoulders, roll his eyes, and say, "Who cares?"

Choose the ONE correct answer:

A. A person who is ignorant
B. A person who enjoys being ignorant
C. A person who prefers to wallow in his ignorance
D. A person who is just too lazy, stupid, and obtuse to overcome his ignorance
E. ALL of the above

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R*
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Re: A Thought-Provoking Question

July 8 2011, 2:52 PM 

Given the subjects of spelling, grammar, and punctuation, what kind of person is most likely to shrug his shoulders, roll his eyes, and say, "Who cares?"


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The correct answer is the person who is tired of an arrogant Doctor who doesn't have the common courtesy to post his SGP comments in the proper thread that the Moderator has graciously provided for him. This Doctor can't spell "contagious" correctly yet he critiques the spelling of others. The Doctor's antics are disruptive and often used to stop any productive discussion.

I request that the Moderator place all future SGP comments in the SGP thread where they belong. If the Moderator does not care, then "who cares?"

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: A Thought-Provoking Question

July 8 2011, 6:51 PM 

The correct answer is E, ALL of the above. Why should a little SGP correction stop "productive discussion"? If it is truly "productive," a little SGP won't stop it. However, since most "discussion" here has NOT been productive and has consisted primarily of some malcontent's hollering that all his opponents are cursed, wrong, sinners, and need to "repent" (of their opposition to him), then the flow of gab stops at the first SGP correction.

Now R* is squawking his head off, because Dr. Crump nailed him a few too many times in SGP issues; R* is embarrassed, and he wants something "done" about it. That sounds like someone who lets "little" things get under his skin, even if it is SGP. Since R* obviously doesn't give a hoot in blazes about SGP, when why all the fuss? Just calm down, R*, take a few deep breaths, go your way, and be at peace (if that's possible). wink.gif

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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Oh, How Quickly They Forget

July 8 2011, 8:36 PM 

R* wrote: "This Doctor [sic] can't spell 'contagious' correctly ..." BTW, you do not capitalize "doctor" unless you are addressing a doctor directly by name, as in, "How are you today, Doctor (or Dr.) Crump?" The situation where "doctor" is not capitalized is illustrated as follows: "Bill Crump is a doctor."

How quickly R* has forgotten the immortal words of my math teacher. Did Dr. Crump deliberately misspell "contagious" to get R*'s juices flowing, or did Dr. Crump blow it? R* can praise himself all he wants, but my math teacher's words are seeds that I planted, and they have been in R*'s subconscious mind. Therefore, he will never know for sure: Did Dr. Crump, or didn't Dr. Crump...?

Since R* has delivered his share of protests about SGP, I decided long ago to play with his mind. wink.gif

 
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R*
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Re: Oh, How Quickly They Forget

July 9 2011, 12:16 AM 

Bill, your math teacher made a chump out of you! You fool no one here. You are just a classless old hypocrite that no one respects. Try to get a life, son.

 
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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
67.142.130.49

The "Worship Service'

July 6 2011, 12:24 PM 

Praise singing hit the "fans" post Jubilee and Rubel Shelly: as part of a small body of changelings they decreed that CHURCH IS ONLY ABOUT WORSHIP and they defined "worship" in terms of music. That led simple congregational singing to performance singing with everyone racing to "sang my part." This, in turn, was an instrumental form of singing called a cappella or Organum--imitation of the pipe organ.

Of course, they had nevver read any of the Bible which makes the assembly as a Teaching the Word of God Only assembly which read and rehearsed or mutually confessed the Word of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles. Anyone who has ever read Ephesians 3 wouldl understand that:

WHAT IS THIS GRACE?

Eph. 3:6 That the Gentiles
......should be fellowheirs,
......and of the same body,
......and partakers of his promise in Christ
......by THE gospel:
Eph. 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister,
......according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me
......by the effectual working of his power.

TO WHOM IS THIS SAME GRACE EXPANDED.

Eph. 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints,
......is this grace given,
......that I should preach among the Gentiles
......the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Eph. 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
......which from the beginning of the world
......hath been hid in God,
......who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Eph. 3:10 To the intent that now
......unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places
......might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Eph. 3:11 According to the eternal purpose
......which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Eph. 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access
......with confidence by the faith OF him.

Paul then sets up the SAME role of the church as in Ephesians 5:


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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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READING not SERMONIZING

July 6 2011, 4:44 PM 

Before writing, a king might send a herald out to the commander of the army, it would be common for the herald to memorize the message and chant or sing it to himself until he got to the commander.

The Bible makes it very clear that God sends out His heralds by making them write his message in a book. When they get to the audience the command was to READ the message.

Jeremiah 36:8 And Baruch the son of Neriah did
....according to all that Jeremiah the prophet commanded him,
....reading in the book the words of the LORD in the LORDs house.
Jeremiah 36:9 And it came to pass in the fifth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah,
....in the ninth month, that they proclaimed a fast before the LORD to all the people in Jerusalem,
....and to all the people that came from the cities of Judah unto Jerusalem.
Jeremiah 36:10 Then read Baruch in the book the words of Jeremiah in the house of the LORD,
....in the chamber of Gemariah the son of Shaphan the scribe,
....in the higher court, at the entry of the new gate of the LORDs house,
....in the ears of all the people.

A herald of the Word of Christ is a kerusso (preacher) or presbyter (elder). A herald has the same command and might get executed if he tampers with the word.

The modern turkeys gobble up much of your time and money and tidbits of the King's written message and deposits in your eyes and ears what is left over from feeding turkeys.

R. L. Dabney a contemporary of the Campbells and wrote against instruments on preaching:

http://www.piney.com/PreachDab.html

The object of preaching is the salvation of the soul; and that salvation consists in a redeption from the guilt, love and practice of iniquity.

The instrument of this redemption is God's truth, as he has revealed it. "Sanctify them through thy truth."

The preacher is most explicitly called a herald; that is, the deliverer of a message.

Now, the herald does not make his message, he merely transmits it. He has nothing to do with judging its wisdom or fitness; let him simply proclaim it as it is given to him. This was God's command to an ancient preacher: "Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee." (Jonah iii. 2.)

Or, the preacher's office may be illustrated by the work of one who uses a die put into his hands, to form impressions on some plastic substance. The sinful soul is that substance. The word of God is the die; and the divine image of knowledge and true holiness is the impression to be formed. God, who made man's soul, and therefore knows it made the die; and of course he best knew how to make it, to produce the impression he desired.

Now, the workman's business is not to criticize, re-carve, or alter the die which is committed to him, but simply to press it down upon the substance to be shaped. In this view, how plain is it that all preaching must be accurately representative of Bible truth, and in Bible proportions? Else it is not God's work.

The preacher's business is simply to take what he finds in the Scriptures, and as he finds it, and press it down upon the understandings, hearts, and consciences of men. Nothing else is his business as a preacher.

The die is just so sharp and hard, so large and so perfect as God would have it. He judged it was the right die to produce the impression he intends. This is enough for us. Here we have a few obvious truths which none will dispute who are known as evangelical Christians. But if we are not mistaken, they contain the following deductions, by which many things very prevalent in the practice of persons considering themselves evangelical are condemned.




 
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Donnie
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ConcernedMembersMadison
99.177.249.211

"And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives."

July 7 2011, 4:25 AM 

In my earlier post, Reading 101, I was pointing out the difference between: (1) occurrences and events associated with singing and (2) a directive or command to sing.

I noted that events ("they sang a hymn and went"; "Paul and Silas sang, the prisoners heard them"; "his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover") recorded in Scripture are for our learning and may not be misconstrued as a directive or a command.

R* responded as follows:
Re: Reading 101
July 6 2011, 10:41 AM

Donnie, where are we going with this? Are you saying we are commanded to sing only in our hearts?
Great questions! Briefly, let me say....

The New Testament does not mention "worship service" as Christendom defines it or as it has evolved. It is a misleading concept as many contemporary believers now think of it as "going to church" to be involved in "musical worship." Some churches are known to "sing" from 10 to 15 or even more musical pieces during the "worship" hour -- most of which are contemporary, one-verse, 7x11 ["repeat a line of 7 words 11 times"] cheer-leading "praise songs." It's really a 1:15-minute "worship hour" during which 60% of the time is devoted to musical worship, with the remainder for the sermon and other activities.

Can we even begin to imagine how the early (New Testament) Christians did it when they gathered? I can imagine how modern and post-modern Christians have become so creative and innovative -- ah, the "Worship Leader"; the CHOIR (a.k.a. "Praise Team" in certain congregations); the musical devices and their pro performers; etc.

I believe the term "gathering of saints" or "assembly" is more appropriate than "worship service" is in identifying what the early disciples did. Actually, the 1st century Christians gathered simply to partake of the Lord's Supper and to learn God's Word.

The passages in Colossians and Ephesians, that we often quote to defend singing without operating musical devices, clearly indicate that we are to "let the word of Christ dwell in you richly."

There is NO COMMAND in those passages to "sing." Rather, we are to "let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs...."

We accomplish the purpose for gathering by: "Speaking to yourselves [which implies a gathering] in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs." "Speaking" can mean reading or reciting God's Word. Singing is one medium by which God's truth may be conveyed. It should be simple and easy to understand. Musical devices are inanimate objects that do not accomplish the teaching and admonishing process.

Let's be careful if or when we sing in the assembly. (If it's a personal "religious" rah-rah-rah song that hardly mentions the blood and His sacrifice or that describes the "I love you, Jesus, my darling" ... please save that for yourself.)

 
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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
67.142.130.22

The problem is in Reeding and Righting!

July 7 2011, 11:05 AM 

It was probably after the Reformation that using proof texts became the inspired way to read and understand Scripture. When preachers became pastors that level of comprehension became chained to the pulpit and preachers concluded (?) that being paid as a professional meant that he was the sole authority. That invasion of the soul snatchers virtually emasculated the male leadership and made the comprehension of the preacher the highest level most would ever achieve as disciples.

There is no level of scholarship I have found which does not take "having each of them harps" as the COMMANDED authority to impose musical instruments into the church Purpose Driven to sow discord in the hopes of stuffing more mites into the collection plates--they were call trumpets in the temple courts.

Someone has said that Satan cannot blush! In Revelation 5 there are.

Four classes of people.
Their "song" is defined in certain words.
And they all SAY the song.

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Rather than letting the praise singer seduce you into satisfying his/her/its needs, spend some time trying to comprehend this passage.

 
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