Matthew 28 Except ye be Converted ye shall not enter the kingdomJuly 26 2011 at 4:22 PM
|Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)|
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Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you,
Except ye be converted,
and become as little children
ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
A Disciple of Christ is a Student of Christ: if you are a ceremonial legalists you are NOT a Christian, your preacher is not a Christian and your Edifice is a complex (know what I mean). You have been taken captive and need radical reprogramming.
Converted means that you have made a radical wheel-about: if your preacher wants to continue down the road of the world to attract the world then you have not been converted. You are not a Christian. You have serious problems with Christ. And Jesus promised that you will be damned.
Conversion is done at the time of Baptism of an adult who wants to be a Disciple of Christ and not a groopie.
The u-turn is clearly defined as the OPPOSITE of all of the performance preaching, singing and instrument playing which INTENDS to make sure that you do not hear "that which is written for your learning."
Jesus said that the sons of the Devil speak on their own: their own evil imagination.
We Know .....Oh Yes, We Know
|July 27 2011, 8:38 AM |
Ken, speaking of Matthew 28, do you believe that you are doing what the Lord asked his disciples to do? Ridiculing others and continual slander, as you continue to espouse day after day, isn't acting on the great commission.
You talk about Jesus often but don't want to follow his example.
Know what I mean?
Re: We Know .....Oh Yes, We Know
|July 28 2011, 3:54 AM |
Ridiculing others is not the same as pointing out when others distort the truth. "Ridiculing others" is not even an argument, much less a winning argument.
One of several statements in the post is: "Conversion is done at the time of Baptism of an adult who wants to be a Disciple of Christ and not a groopie."
That statement alone would cause many others to adamantly argue concerning the type of baptism and its purpose, the age of the subject, discipleship, membership, etc.
Do you agree or disagree with what the post says about baptism and conversion?
Based on your constant judgments of others, how can we know (as you seem to know others) "that you are doing what the Lord asked his disciples to do" or that you "follow his example"?
|Dr. Bill Crump|
Re: We Know .....Oh Yes, We Know
|July 28 2011, 9:37 AM |
On message boards like this, the word "slander" is abused and hurled much too often. You can't say, "This is what the New Testament teaches" without the progressives hollering, "You imply that we're wrong and that's slander! According to the progressives, if you urge people to renounce denominationalism and follow the teachings of Jesus, you slander them. Did Jesus "slander" people when He said they would be lost if they didn't follow His teachings? He simply told the truth. Yet when progressives hear that same truth, they holler "SLANDER" at those who preach the truth.
Dave perseverates as much by hollering "Slander! Slander! Slander!" as he did with his "you're-cursed-you-re-wrong-you're-a-sinner-repent-repent" diatribes.
|July 28 2011, 5:32 PM |
I would not answer that question that you present about baptism and conversion. Why wouldn't I answer the question?
Because I have answered it before and I don't care to repeat myself.
There was no doubt, in my answer, the direction of my conviction and answer.
|Dr. Bill Crump|
Re: Salvation Issue
|July 28 2011, 6:53 PM |
Actually, a true Christian should be willing to answer questions about New Testament doctrinal matters like baptism, no matter how many times they are asked the same question. When people asked Jesus what they must do to have eternal life, think what would have happened if Jesus blew them off with, "I've answered that and similar questions many times before and don't want to repeat Myself."
When Christians are asked questions about baptism but blow those questions off, it suggests that they don't take the subject seriously or that they don't really have strong beliefs.
Here's Your Big Chance
|July 29 2011, 8:48 AM |
William Crump said "When people asked Jesus what they must do to have eternal life, think what would have happened if Jesus blew them off with, "I've answered that and similar questions many times before and don't want to repeat Myself.""
William, where, in Scriptures, did Jesus answer, to the same people, what "they must do to have eternal life?"
It's Best to Go Ahead and Repeat Your Answer
|July 29 2011, 8:52 PM |
It's really much better -- and there's nothing to be ashamed of -- to go ahead and respond to the initial question or to repeat your previous answer to the same question. You see, Dave, and you ought to know that not all readers read the same threads on the same day. It also means that you are not evading the question, when you respond then. Evading questions is very frustrating to many. And you know it.
|Dr. Bill Crump|
Re: It's Best to Go Ahead and Repeat Your Answer
|July 29 2011, 9:33 PM |
Evading obviously serious questions suggests one of two things: 1) The person does it to taunt others who desire to know the answers; 2) The person really doesn't know the answers to the questions (or doesn't care) and doesn't want to say, "I don't know" or even "I have no interest in the subject."
|Dr. Bill Crump|
Re: Here's Your Big Chance
|July 29 2011, 9:23 PM |
"And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions" (Matt. 19:16-22 KJV).
"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour? And Jesus answering said, A certain [man] went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded [him], and departed, leaving [him] half dead. And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked [on him], and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion [on him], And went to [him], and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave [them] to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise" (Luke 10:25-37 KJV).
In John 6, the Jews are trying to understand Jesus' mission. "The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day" (John 6:52-54).
Since the Gospels contain only a sample of the events in Jesus' life (John 21:25), we can conclude that people asked Jesus how to be saved many times and He told them the answers many times.
Now, Dave, whenever anyone, even regular posters on this board, ask you about your views on baptism, answer them. Don't play the part of a stubborn little kid who won't answer because you delight in taunting others. That's immature.
So, Dave, here's YOUR big chance. Are you ready to answer the question that Donnie posed to you about baptism, or do you wish to remain stubborn and immature?