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Dr. Bill Crump
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August 20 2011, 3:33 PM 

Dave wrote: "I didn't mean any names, did I?"

Of course you did, Dave. You BARK all the time. I'd say this mad pooch captures your attitude very well. wink.gif

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Teach Being Teached

August 22 2011, 12:18 AM 

You really don't like being schooled, do you William?

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The Games Cats and Dogs Play

August 23 2011, 3:03 AM 

OK, we need another display (perhaps, of a cat "barking") to complete the verbal exchange between adult Christians. Dave, can you provide us, in return, a video clip of a "barking" cat? The exchange of video clips may be a good illustration of "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth."

OK, OK. It's only a game, right? I think I've heard of this expression before: "Fighting like cats and dogs." What about something positive, such as: "How to Keep Dogs and Cats from Fighting." You know, there's actually a link to this:

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Donnie Cruz
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Counting the Dead Saints and Those in Purgatory--the Catholic Advantage

August 25 2011, 2:40 AM 

Maybe ... not.

But here's a question regarding religious censuses and statistics:

Are churches of Christ at a disadvantage when "members" are counted in a religious census?

I am sure that the Roman Catholic Church counts everyone, including sprinkled (baptized) babies as "members"; Protestant denominations do, too. In the church of Christ, only those baptized [at the age of accountability] are members of the church. So, what about family members who are not yet Christians in the church? Are they adherents--and not members?

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Counting the Dead Saints and Those in Purgatory--the Catholic Advantage

August 25 2011, 10:14 AM 

In some church of Christ congregations, the term "regular attendant" describes someone who attends services but who has not been baptized and hence is neither a member of the congregation in question nor of the Church. When they fill out the attendance cards for each service, congregants check either "Member" or "Regular Attendant." Of course, checking "Member" signifies a dual role: a baptized member of the congregation where one regularly worships AND a member of the Church.

What about the person who has been baptized but later starts visiting another congregation with the idea of placing membership there at some point? If he checks "Member" on the card, it implies that he is a baptized member of the Church (true) AND that he has placed membership with that congregation (false). If he checks "Regular Attendant," it implies that he is neither a member of that congregation (true) nor of the Church (false).

That's why church statistics based on attendance cards may be misleading.

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The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

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