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truthful is impossible because we do know enough about own self?

September 1 2011 at 2:32 AM
Roy  (Login year2027)
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Truthful is impossible because we do know enough about own self?

I always try to tell the truth but sometimes I do not know enough things about my own natural or body of sin. We have a sin nature we have nurture this natural all our own lives it has become a part of us. So to sat it aside is not easy thing to do the things I know as truth must be set aside if I going to know Gods truths.

Like is the world round or does its mass constrain by more than what I see has the earth gravity I see does it also contain things I cannot see. What is the true me what I see or what I cannot see or both the two together? Questions that we do not know enough to even try to tell the truth about what was truthful about.

Even biography of something does tell every thing a thing they just tell the basic of the person, thing, place or what ever they do give every detail line by line. Biology of a human person does not telling us why the person was and how dust formed into us in first place? By not given us enough we can tell a lie about it without knowing it because we just understand enough to get us in trouble.

If I say my name is Jack am I lying because I am not different than I am a man of sin like Jack similar to Jack the person. Jack and me are humans alive on this earth there are different in our personalities Jack is a religion fruitcake but I am what I is. Jack Howard has made himself my enemy but I have made him mine I have enemy but myself.

I was a copy of Jack Howard in the pasted I was a religion fruitcake I believe the words of Gods bible were the only truth I could see then. But now I see past my sins and the blamed goes on no one other than my weak flesh it is on my shoes and our own shoes the blamed must be set. Now that I see clearly I can put the blamed on my personal self as the Jacks of this place can bowel our heads together in that all of us are in sin.

Maybe people call me Roy William Perry III known as year2027 but I am one of the Jacks of this world. We are the ones in the sin doomed until we evolve out of this fleshly dust that lives as me. How can I evolve out of this world Christ is the only part I know because I am not wise enough to understand yet.

Jack and me Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Jack and me are accepted in Christ whether I believe or not and Jack believes I am.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Whether we understood what the redemption is or the forgiveness of sins that we live in and this mystery of Gods will towards us.

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

In Christ we have obtain the dispensation of Gods truth about our selfs.

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

We have now earnest of our inheritance without blamed for our weak flesh has we look forward to our spiritual bodies that not decay and die. This is the new concision that planted in us the spark of new life that no man can kill only God can destroy it. Thank you with love and a holy kiss from Roy known as year2027

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Ken Sublett
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I know what you mean.

September 1 2011, 12:08 PM 

That's what I told the cop when he caught me speeding.

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: I know what you mean.

September 1 2011, 12:59 PM 

Was the cop's name Jack Howard? Did he say he was from the year 2027? LOVL!!

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Ken Sublett
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Didn't say

September 1 2011, 1:36 PM 

My kitty agreed with me: she is almost on my feet and that means that it is time for lunch.

That Asteroid or whatever which just missed about that time will be returning about 2034 for a hit: that's ok with me, in 2027 I will be 97 and molding in my grave.

I kinda like that Calvinistic "Just go limp."

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Ken Sublett
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Truth never depends on me: that would make me God and I'm too tired!

September 1 2011, 8:13 PM 

Here is a statement of propositional truth:

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth [complieth] and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not [complieth not] shall be damned.

Faith here is trust and the word is used meaning to 'comply.'

Believeth not or Apistos says that those who do not comply are traitors and dangerous.

That is a statement of Fact about the teaching of Jesus Christ.
There is nothing within any humnan which will change one jot or tittle of that statement; nor can it change the meaning.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

For those who have trouble understanding the writer lists a lot of definitions of FAITH:

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

There is not a single name of anyone in the whole bible predestinated to heaven or hell. Isn't that amazing? We predetermine that our children never have to suffer: we do not prevent their suffering.

If you believe in predestination the how do you know that YOU have not been predestinated to burn in hell by random choice?

In fact, IF you are predestinated you would have been caused to be baptized FOR the remission of YOUR sins: otherwise, there is nothing else which remits personal sins unless you know Jesus personally.

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Didn't say

September 1 2011, 9:28 PM 

I'll bet that cop [. . .]

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Many Thanks Roy

September 2 2011, 9:48 AM 

Roy, at least you [. . .]

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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: Many Thanks Roy

September 2 2011, 11:48 AM 

Dave should keep his [. . .]

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Dr. Crump is full of............................

September 3 2011, 9:01 AM 

HAAH [. . .]

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