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Ephesians 2: Salvation by Grace Through Faith

September 2 2011 at 1:41 PM
Ken Sublettt  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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When Paul said that salvation was by GRACE (who hath appeared) through faith, he also said that it was not by the WORKS which we do: Works specificially identifies rhetoric, singing, playing instruments or acting in drama.

Grace, Faith, love and salvation (see Donnie's presentand future notes) is produced ONLY by teaching the Word of God as it is written for our learning.

http://www.piney.com/Ephesians.2.Salvation.by.Grace.Through.Faith.html

Not being able to read the TEXT is what they call a "salvation issue."




Not even at the Phd level can the clear Biblical text be understand: that is because they market their own thoughts and God HIDES Himself from them.

The idea that the Kingdom is INVISIBLE totally misses the meaning of simple words.

http://www.piney.com/Luke.17.Kingdom.Not.Observation.html

Bible words are often used in the literature to define pagan religious concepts all of which have been replaced.

The OBSERVATIONS which proves that the BODY is there but the KINGDOM of God cannot be there: there is no room left.

Not with an office, duty, service, services of expiation, offices of prayer, regard or esteem for religious clergy, not with ceremonies or the rites as well as the enrite system of religion and worship.

Not with outward show, not with observing days, not with pathos or personal experiences, emotional presentation, not with rhetoric, not with enthusiastikos especially of music, exciting.

Not with the WISE or sophists with cleverness an skin in music and singing

Not with poetry or anything you make or compose. sermons, drama.

Not with systematic observation or knowledge acquired by observance which is OPPOSITE TO LOGOS OR THE WORD.

Not with "praxis" of drama, lectures of a rhetorician. listening to a sermon.

NONE OF THE ARE EVIDENCE THAT THE SPIRIT KINGDOM IS PRESENT.

They are evidence of the BODY ONLY and you can tell by the eagles collecting to kill and consume their "brethren."






    
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Ken Sublett
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Not by Works we have done.

September 5 2011, 12:04 AM 

I will add this in the morning: if you want to be a Disciple of Christ in His School you are a Victim of Made-Off. Since many (most) are called but few (a tiny number) are chosen and chosen means those who "diligently seek HIM", and you probably attended even conservative churches who major in performance, you are blind being led by the blind and God has no pity for you.

Preachers and scholars look up proof texts and never read the whole context: even worship they do not bother to see what the words meant in the literature of the time. Webster's won't wok.

We have show that the Kingdom does not come with Religious Observations which means "worship services" not dedicated to the Word of God "as written for OUR learning."

The next enlightenment is in reading the GRACE ONLY passage in Ephesians 2.

Salvation is by Grace Through Faith.
Grace personified came TEACHING us.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

We are SAVED by this FAITH and not by our Works. Surprise, surprise, Works or Ergon has the meaning of Organon meaning a musical instrument. Sure, Christ says that YOUR works of playing a musical instrument does NOT save. Without blinking an eye these people boast of IMPOSING musical instruments to make the kingdom come after boasting about using all of the youth retreats to CONDITION your children by gradually USING great musical performance. Is that a Lying Wonder or what.

Works includes any kind of works in a building to make people believe that the gods have come: these thieves boast--with about fifty thousands on preparation--that their musicians can LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD.

You cannot believe elders who think that God commanded animal slaughter: all recorded history knows that when God IMPOSES He does not command.

More in the morning.

 
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R*
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Re: Not by Works we have done.

September 5 2011, 3:07 PM 

We are SAVED by this FAITH and not by our Works. Surprise, surprise, Works or Ergon has the meaning of Organon meaning a musical instrument.

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Ken, I think you are a bit "over the top" on that one! LOL!

 
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Ken Sublett
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It's a fact

September 5 2011, 6:53 PM 

It doesn't require much work to hear the word PREACHED by being READ and discussed each REST day. Now the Greek Pauo was invented for me: In connection with superstition by which everyone WORKED for their gods (or his agents), it is most often used to mean:

Stop the self speaking, stop the singing, stop the drama, stop the instrumental noise which in these texts meant "stop the panic." When you claim to lead people into a god's presence you do and know that you are leading them into spiritual anxiety.

A "professional grade" musician able to pass "audition" will have spent a life of pretty hard working learning music of performance grade. Listen to the limpy burgers on the internet about how you MUST be here and here and here to REHEARSE, REHEARSE, REHEARSE.

If God is not worshipped with the works of human hands why then the MANY times works is contrasted to rest and "learning of Jesus." You canclick on 'ergon' or 'organon' (Jubal's pipe handled without authority) and pick out any of the ways the word is used and decide whether you think God will hurt you if you don't DO those things because increasingly preachers are saying YOU MUST: it is a direct command. If you can define all of the ergs (units of work) you think would contribute to the EDUCATION as the only thing a DISCIPLE is required to do then go to it.

The kingdom does not come with "religious observations" as the word is used of religion. To become a Disciple of Christ you must REQUEST it (1 Peter 3:21). Ephesians 5:26 is also missed because at no level of scholarly incompetence does anyone define words beyond their handy little lexicon and--as taught by Lipscomb these days--fill in the blanks with YOUR imagination. That's spiritual formation where you hum in sync with a Catholic Father.

Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it

.....with the washing of water

.....by [In Verbo, En, Eis] the word,

This word is used in the Greek literature to mean "baptized into the school." One example was to be Washed to enter the school of guitarists.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
.....but according to his mercy he saved us,
.....by the washing of regeneration,
.....and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

That is OUR spirit which must be REnewed and that is required to be a disciple in the School of Christ where you will see the Musical Minstrels cast out more or less violently.

There is nothing you can do as a religious ceremony which has SAVING or Faith-building power but to be A School of the Word.

 
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Joe Spivy
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Ergon?

September 5 2011, 9:22 PM 

Could you provide a source that translates "ergon" (works) as music, musical instrument, singing, etc.?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Work most often means with machines.

September 5 2011, 11:46 PM 

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Have you ever watched a preacher pontificate or a musician musicate? Making it into heaven with sweat equity I suppose.

 
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Joe Spivy
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Ergon, works, and definition

September 6 2011, 1:54 PM 

"Epoikhomai" means to "go towards, approach" while "Ergon" deals more directly with work and activity. They are not equivalent terms though one may draw near to something and do so by their works and activities or to perform a work or activity.

Classical Greek and Koine Greek are not necessarily the same and the context and worldview of the authors are often diametrically opposed. Therefore, a classical text (such as Pindar's Olympian) speaking of drawing near to the feast-table, observing the rites of the blessed gods, after a chariot race is poor proof that the word translated "works" means musical instruments.

What reputable source equates Ergon and Organon?

"Work often means with machines" is true... as far as it goes. What is the significance? Some would describe Bible study as "work" - not that they are earning credits but that it takes some effort (even if it "doesn't require much 'work' to hear").

 
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