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The Games That Change Agents Play

September 30 2011 at 1:44 AM
John Waddey  (Login Donnie.Cruz)
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The Games That People Play



In 1968, Joe South wrote and published the song, "The Games People Play." It was a commentary on the hypocrisy of many in modern society. Being a student and observer of the change movement that is currently troubling the Church of Christ, I have discovered the following games to be common among the leaders of that movement.

Let's Pretend: When a change agent first appears in a congregation of conservative Christians, he will pretend to be one with them. They who are quite happy to worship and serve God as they have long done will thus accept him in their midst, perhaps as their minister, or as a teacher, a deacon, or even an elder. Only after he is firmly established and secure in his position will he reveal his real faith and intention to implement innovative changes to their faith and worship.

A change agent can mingle with conservative preachers and elders at meetings and forums and never let his true faith and convictions be known. He will use all the right words to leave the impression that he is one with them. Even if he is asked to speak, the average preacher or elder might not detect that the man really pities or even despises their conservative views. Only when the winds are favorable will he reveal his true nature.

When interviewing for a position with a congregation, a shrewd change agent can answer all the questions that a concerned eldership might ask, leaving the impression that he is as conservative and loyal to Christ and his Word as they. A few months later, they discover that he has quietly recruited enough of their members to begin pushing for unscriptural changes.

When asked about his views on instrumental music in worship he might respond, "I love our a cappella congregation singing." Or, "We have a wonderful tradition of singing that I fully support." Or, "I believe it's wrong to divide the church over instrumental music." But he did not answer the actual question about using instruments in worship. To him, if they can be introduced without causing a division, he would not object; in fact, he would likely promote the idea.

The same tactic is sometimes used when answering questions about baptism's role in salvation. The change agent might say, "I believe in baptism." But he does not believe that, without it, a believing penitent would be lost. He really believes the sinner is saved by grace through faith and is then baptized to declare his salvation. When asked about the nature of the church, he will declare that he believes in the one church of the Bible, etc. But he really means one mystical, universal church which includes the many denominational churches. He thinks the Church of Christ is only one of those denominations.

In the world of politics, this slippery manipulation of words is described as "spinning" the facts or truth. In scriptural terms, it is the black art of deception, calling evil good and good evil (Is. 5:20).

A second game, closely akin to Pretend, is Catch Me If You Can. In this, the change agent dodges and deflects questions and pretends to be wounded that anyone would doubt his loyalty to the Lord and his church. He operates on the basis that "you can fool most of the people most of the time." All the while he is working to convert members to his errant views, he pretends not to understand why you would doubt his intentions. He is hurt that you question his soundness. Yet he continues to attend all the gatherings of change agents. He reads their books and papers. He shuns those of conservative brethren. He is invited to speak for liberal churches, and they love his message. He leaves the impression that he is on their team. But when the news gets home to his congregation, he dances and dodges, hoping to hold on to his job until he can capture the congregation or, failing that, find a church that does share his views. Only when he is cornered and caught will he finally admit what had long been suspected.

Given the effectiveness of these false teachers, Paul's warning is most timely. "Let no man beguile thee." (II Thess. 2:3).


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John Waddey, Editor
Christianity: Then and Now

E-Mail: john.waddey@yahoo.com


 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: The Games That Change Agents Play

September 30 2011, 9:49 AM 

John wrote: "When asked about his views on instrumental music in worship [the change agent] might respond, 'I love our a cappella congregation singing.' Or, 'We have a wonderful tradition of singing that I fully support.' Or, 'I believe it's wrong to divide the church over instrumental music.' But he did not answer the actual question about using instruments in worship. To him, if they can be introduced without causing a division, he would not object; in fact, he would likely promote the idea."

Is it a coincidence that John's hypothetical quotes actually reflect the sentiments of some posters on this site? Dave, for instance, says he "prefers" a cappella singing, yet he sees nothing wrong with those churches that "prefer" to ADD instruments to "enhance, aid, and accompany" the singing.

We could slightly alter John's last sentence to the following: "To Dave, if instruments could be introduced into his congregation without causing a division, he would not object; in fact, he would likely promote the idea."


 
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R*
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Re: The Games That Change Agents Play

September 30 2011, 2:25 PM 

Dr. Crump, you don't have a problem about speaking for God where God has spoken. You have proved that many times. Why should we be surprised that you speak for John Waddey or any other man as well?

Yours is an old ploy that has run its course.

God never condemned IM, you and John Waddey did.

 
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Dr. Bill Crump
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Re: The Games That Change Agents Play

September 30 2011, 10:37 PM 

It's also an old ploy people use when they say God never condemned pizza and soft drinks to use at the Lord's Supper. It's an old ploy to say that whatever God never condemned by name is acceptable. That old ploy of saying that God's silence is permissive just won't wash, most especially regarding that which God has explicitly addressed.

People need to learn that, just as God specified bread and fruit of the vine to use for the Lord's Supper, so He also specified singing and making melody in the heart. Man is not at liberty to change and alter what God has explicitly commanded, what He has explicitly addressed. Just as we are not at liberty to alter the emblems of the Lord's Supper, we are also not at liberty to alter the music made through singing.

Using that old ploy, it is man who speaks where God has not when he says that it is acceptable to ADD instruments where God has only specified singing in the New Testament. THAT old ploy has certainly run its course.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: The Games That Change Agents Play

September 30 2011, 10:42 PM 

Rastric, If you are right and the Bible and most recorded history is WRONG then you have hope.
If you say that God did not outlaw "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" when the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ in the wildernes, and UNIVERSALLY condemns it in the prophets and identifies the performers as Scribes, Pharisees, robbers and parasites.

And Christ the Spirit outlawed it.
Then you have a terminal case of blasphemy: that is the state of all but a tiny remnant.

If you say that God did not condemn anything YOU can produce or compose as AIDS for worship,
And you can hardly pick a page which does not have REJECTING pagan sorcery OUTLAWED and identified by a quiet assembly reading and discussing the Word.

Then Paul in 2 Corinthians 3 says that you have not TURNED or been baptized into Christ.
That is why people who see godliness as a means of financial gain MAKE IT CERTAIN that Jesus will not be there and you will not be the kingdom of God.

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The starter of performance music is the IGNIS: the firestarter. The use of INSTRUMENTS to silence the voice of the victim is often the PRELUDE to being "cast alive into the lake of fire." That's what they do to sorcerers, dogs and liars.

 
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R*
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Re: The Games That Change Agents Play

September 30 2011, 11:53 PM 

Ken says "Rastric". LOL! I get it, I really do. Good stuff, Ken!

 
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Re: The Games That Change Agents Play

October 1 2011, 12:12 AM 

Church of Christ youth have questions on IM. Does that make them Change Agents?

http://mattdabbs.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/reflections-on-gulfcoast-getaway-instrumental-music/


 
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Ken Sublett
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My Review

October 1 2011, 7:22 PM 

Matt Dabbs reviewing Danny Corbit on Ripening issues.

http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbitt.Matt.Dabbs.Ripening.Issues.html

The changelings went to the get a way and all youth meetings INTENDING to lie.

Rick Atchley: The era of the progressive Church of Christ is over.

Back in the 80s you could go to any major city, especially in the South, and you could find a progressive Church of Christ and if they would preach grace, and if they would put words on a screen, and if they would let divorced people place membership, they would grow.

The generation of Boomers has enough denominational loyalty that theyre going to find the least legalistic

Well, we discipled the children of those progressive churches
....for a whole generation to grow past us Boomers.
....They never heard the sermons we heard.
....They never heard the rationale for a cappella music.

We sent them to youth rallies and Church of Christ events
....with some of the finest Christian bands in the world.
....We discipled our children to leave our Movement!

Satan couldn't have said it better.

http://www.piney.com/Rick.Atchley.Chris.Seidman.Instrumental.Music.Delusion.html

 
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