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socialism and the Lord's Church

March 28 2012 at 10:55 AM
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There seems to be a movement taking place in the church that encourages members to rid themselves of their belongings and give to the poor. The Church itself is being blasted by those in this movement. The youth seem to be the targets and they in turn accuse the older folks of not being good Christians and not following God. What do you know of this movement?

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john watson smith
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socialism and the church

March 28 2012, 11:30 PM 

The best book on this is of course the bible. Consider first that Christ teaches in the gospels that anything interfering with our obeying God should be discarded. This would include a hand, foot, eye or belongings. I Tim 6 does say that any that are rich in this world are to be reminded of cautions and activities they are to follow. There is nothing that says they should give up all possessions to the poor. Nothing to say that we are fundamentally unjust or evil because we have riches. Some rich people are rich because they cheat their employees but not everyone who is rich cheats or is dishonest.

The purpose of giving to the poor is to show the love of Christ and bring them to an understanding that they are lost and need much more than food clothes or shelter - the saving that is found only in Christ. Those that say we must give all to the poor have in mind that everyone should be equal regardless of talent, education and upbringing. That will never be and is not supported by the Bible.

The best non bible book I know of is out of print - Communism its faith and fallacies by James D Bales It may be available on as a used book. I have purchased many books this way.

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john watson smith
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Socialism and the Lord's Church

March 29 2012, 3:36 PM 

To add further

There are those who have advanced degrees and influence that have bought hook line and sinker the ideas of the unbelieving "religionists" These people put hell in the background and soft pedal miracles and the supernatural if they talk about it at all. They find that if you put away the emphasis on spiritual values there is a need to replace it with something they can see, feel and touch and which carries the approval of men. That is the "poor" problem or why all persons are not equal in material wealth. They feel the churches resources should be applied to this problem in the absence of opposing sin and looking forward to heaven. Some think almost everyone is going to heaven anyway regardless of how they act and try to worship God.

The Bible says the gospel is the power of God unto salvation - from sin not from poverty or being lower income

The Bible says to a certain slave to remain as such and no mention is made of the church buying him out of slavery

The Bible says Jesus came to save sinners - from sin not from poverty

The Bible says those who will not work should not eat.

The Bible says we should seek the approval of God rather than the approval of men.

The Bible says the magnitude of the sin problem is such that he fathered a child literally - that child did offer conditional salvation and offered himself as a sacrifice. This was addressing sin and shows the priority and depth of need of that mankind has.

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john watson smith
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books as references

March 30 2012, 8:34 PM 

The following books I found to be helpful in understanding what is taking place and why in the Church of Christ
I stress that you don't have to read every book. You should not read any other book than the Bible unless you are grounded in the faith and regularly study the Bible on your own. Please consider that the devil is devious and clever according to the scriptures. That these books exist and many are written by denominational persons shows how far off the mark are the change agents in the church of Christ. Many of these books are available on in used form for less than the price of new. If there is one reason for listing these it is the favorite trick of change agents to use the same words that are familiar to those in the pews but with vastly different definitions. This is a tried and proven subversion and deception in gradual progression taken from secular politics. Some of what is written in these books is denominational thinking so be on your toes when reading-

Redefining Christianity by Bob Dewaay 21st Century Press

A Faith Built on Sand by Phil Sanders Gospel Advocate

Deceived on Purpose by Warren Smith Mountain Stream Press

Faith Undone by Rodger Oakland Lighthouse Trails Publishing

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Reader Beware

April 1 2012, 7:29 AM 

I totally agree that you need to stay away from such books if you are not grounded in the faith. I read a vast array of books for information, so that I know what is taking place and where an attack on the truth lays. The problem I see is many of our young people are reading books such as Radical by David Platt and they are buying into what this man is teaching. And it is causing problems.

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john watson smith
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also consider

April 3 2012, 7:25 PM 

I look back at the books I have read with the following benefits

Self Examination - has my personal study and prayers been adequate and sufficient to engage in warfare with satan?

Intensity - has my understanding of the Bible been relayed to others with enough meaning and importance?

False Worship - has my contending for the faith been to the best of my ability? Have I been aware of the enemies of the cross of Christ are well armed and constantly marching forward?

Vocabulary - has my knowledge of the Bible meaning of terms strong enough to see thru false ideas?

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William Hall
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Interesting article in Christian Courier

April 3 2012, 11:39 PM 

The "Christian Courier" has an interesting article regarding Acts 4, when the disciples held all things in common, and from each according to their means gave to each according to their needs. The lesson of Ananias and Sapphira is uncomplicated -- everything was done on a voluntary basis; no one was REQUIRED. I understand that some Christian communities abroad, Africa and India perhaps, are much more in a sharing mode than we in the U.S. Here we seem to emphasize more "if a man does not work let him also not eat."

Bretheren, it is CONTEXT. If we are in a situation where we need to share vigorously, then let us hold all things in common. Even in bad times in the U.S. we look forward to being individualistic, and we do not share our resources within the Way effectively. It is my understanding that the Mormons are very good at this sort of thing, for instance.

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article on Acts 4

April 10 2012, 9:16 AM 

I looked up the article on Acts 4 in the Courier web site. I thought it was good and well rounded.

I think job market and physical condition of those in need has a great bearing on who we should help. If someone cannot work or there are circumstances beyond means of our brothers and sisters we should help no question. But I think the direction of the Holy Spirit work or don't eat and family members have primary duty is to be followed. Following these directions would be fundamental in being a faithful congregation.

I know several congregations who have helped with much money and support to those who got into financial trouble and needed help. I also know a lot of money is being spent on sending preachers to foreign lands for weeks at a time to assist poor congregations and teach them the truths of the Bible. These activities are(have) going on between races and levels of income.

These kind of issues underscore the need to think critically of everything you hear especially in sermons and Bible classes.
There is a lot of socialist and Marxist ideas in american media and someone is always willing to pick them up and apply to the church the standards and objectives of those thought patterns. Read the Bible - be well informed of what is going over the airwaves in the name of religion and be willing to think critically of all.

I suggest the church should follow its divine plan to teach the truth regarding spiritual matters, that is mankind is accountable to God. At the same time the government and our nations legal system should be engaged in fairness and justice for all. We should support and encourage all our secular leaders to be fair and eliminate injustice.

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William Hall
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Perhaps not the same mentality as Acts

April 13 2012, 4:24 AM 

I do not disagree with anything that you have said, but I do not believe, either, that you are expressing the mentality of the (very) early Church as described in Acts. Church is family, brother. I do not know how to improve on what we do except to do more of it with more Spirit.

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