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Anonymous
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Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit

April 8 2012, 2:59 PM 

...and how do you handle John 14:26, "But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." The Holy Spirit also prays or "intercedes" for us (Rom. 8:27, indicating a distinction between the Holy Spirit and God the Father to whom intercession is made. This Holy Spirit is a person, not the idea of the power of God.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Jesus Denies the always-pagan trinity Part ONE

April 8 2012, 3:24 PM 

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Ken Sublett
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John 14 the godhead Part B

April 8 2012, 3:46 PM 

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Anonymous
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Re: John 14 the godhead Part B

April 8 2012, 6:01 PM 

Look at John 14:17 - Jesus refers to another person.He is not using the majestic plural.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Spirit OF truth

April 8 2012, 7:29 PM 

Jesus promised the spirit OF truth. The Spirit OF Truth was WITH the apostles at the time: Later the spirit OF truth would be in them. Father-Son abides with those who keep Christ's commandments in the same sense that one who keeps God's commandments abides with or IN Father-Son. "IN" here cannot be INSIDE OF but in connection or in community with.

Jesus said I will come to you: and He did at Pentecost and to Paul

Notice that the following are not people: the spirit OF adoption is like the spirit OF anger and neither are persons.


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It's hard to break out of erroneous teaching. It is provable that those who write books and their own sermons to replace the work of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles will NEVER, NEVER lay out the whole message of Jesus. Instead they will heap up long connections of verses with no interest in the message in the whole story line.


    
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Anonymous
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Re: Spirit OF truth

April 9 2012, 12:48 AM 

It's hard to break out of erroneous teaching. It is provable that those who write books and their own sermons to replace the work of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles will NEVER, NEVER lay out the whole message of Jesus. Instead they will heap up long connections of verses with no interest in the message in the whole story line.

...kinda like you do with this garbage?

 
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Ken Sublett
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John 14 the Godhead Part C

April 8 2012, 4:09 PM 

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Ken Sublett
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Jesus received the COMMISSION as The Holy Spirit Part D

April 8 2012, 8:03 PM 

I am not sure about why "doctors of the law" work so hard to pile up isolated verses when by reading John 12-16 it is absolutely certain. Maybe Jesus was right when He said that doctors of the Law take away the key to knowledge? Maybe that is their mission.

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Anonymous
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Re: Jesus received the COMMISSION as The Holy Spirit Part D

April 9 2012, 12:45 AM 

You don't understand because you are too lazy to study.

 
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Anonymous
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True.

April 9 2012, 4:01 PM 

That's a fact: but I can read writing and would never blaspheme the statements of Jesus Christ who IS no The Holy Spirit. And NO, Jesus doesn't tell the neo-nazis that a "spirit" told them to add instruments or take the confession of CHRIST off their public display.

 
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Anonymous
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Re: True.

April 9 2012, 4:15 PM 

Stick to the subject. The doctrine of the Trinity is Christianity 101.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: True.

April 11 2012, 12:35 AM 

Brian,

I've been extremely busy of late. So, be patient with me. Yes, we need to continue our discussion in a much better organized manner. Perhaps a numbered list of items pertaining to the Trinity doctrine will help -- using numbers as points of references. [As of now, e.g., when I post a lengthy article that is comprised of 7 subtopics, and you discuss or disagree with one, I'm unable to tell if you agree with the other six.] So, I'll initiate this process as soon as time allows.

Meanwhile, in response to your above assertion, I need to ask you if you believe that the "doctrine of the Trinity" [3 persons as one God] has been in existence since "in the beginning."

(a) If not, will it be fair to assume that you personally believe that the Trinity is taught in the New Testament but not before this era?

(b) If so, would you prove that the Trinity dogma was taught in the Old Testament and during that era? We need specifics -- explicit references [or even "hints" and implications may be acceptable] that the "Holy Spirit" is the "third" [or "first" or "second"] person in the Trinity.

 
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Anonymous
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Re: True.

April 11 2012, 2:21 PM 

Yes, I believe that God existed as three persons from eternity. That said, the doctrine is not explicitly stated in the Old Testament writings. What we see, however, when we take the Bible as a whole, is that the doctrine of the Trinity is progressively revealed throughout the period of history recorded in the Bible
With me so far?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: True.

April 11 2012, 3:46 PM 

John calls you an ANTI CHRIST.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Donnie: Time for pronouns 101A for the "Scholars"

April 11 2012, 4:21 PM 

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Anonymous
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Re: True.

April 11 2012, 7:54 PM 

Raise your hand and wait until the teacher calls on you, Ken. Otherwise, we'll have to put you in time-out.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: True.

April 11 2012, 8:24 PM 

This is my pulpit: you will have to be sat down on the rearward pews like all non-clergy.

Didn't learn PREPOSITIONS as in the Spirit OF Christ OR pronouns either?

I is a personal pronoun. God is never a WE. No, Genesis 1:1 is the ELOHIM claim.

The Spirit OF (preposition) said that the ELOHIM did NOT create all things.

The ONE God created all things by HIS Word. God SPAKE and it was DONE.

Jesus used parables (Matthew 13) because the clergy had no right to know.


    
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Anonymous
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Re: True.

April 12 2012, 2:41 AM 

"And God said , Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" - Genesis 1:26

"And the LORD said , Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do : and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do .Go to , let us go down , and there confound their language, that they may not understandone another's speech" - Genesis 11:6,7

Seems you are wrong again, Ken.

 
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Ken Sublett
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That's the pattern: just ignore WORDS

April 12 2012, 12:35 PM 

God is the UNIVERSAL SPIRIT and is not a "people" having conversation with literal god persons. God does and always has used INSTRUMENTAL MEANS. A person did not HATCH the earth like a brooding chicken. For heavens, sake, the Word is for we DISCIPLES and not for making DOGMA to be used by the ANTI CHRISTS to make money and deliberately sow discord.

Why do you think they ALL blaspheme the SHEMA and thereby deprive the man Jesus Christ of His honor and glory which he now has as the promise (assigned task) as THE HOLY SPIRIT Who in His Spirit form does not ADD to the Words of Jesus Christ revealed through the prophets and apostles.

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Ken Sublett
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And Hebrews 1 makes the same point

April 12 2012, 12:55 PM 

if you are already an anti-christ (doing an end run around Jesus Christ to teach beyond the sacred pages) there MAY NOT BE ANY HOPE of grasping something so clear that you need to be a Doctor of the Law to miss ie

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