Seeing God as three "persons" each with their "centers of consciousness" and each given their own dispensation was invented by H. Leo Boles of David Lipscomb College (LU) and promoted by the Gospel Advocate and therefore the dogma of many churches of Christ.
No one prior to the slow ones in the Church of Christ dared define the Godhead as three persons. This is the meaning of ANTI CHRIST--sharing His glory
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
....that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
....both Lord and Christ.
Rom. 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle,
....separated unto the gospel of God,
Rom. 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
....which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, ....according to the spirit of holiness,
....by the resurrection from the dead:
1Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved,
....and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, ....and one mediator between God and men,
....the man Christ Jesus;
1Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher,
....and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;)
....a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
If you deny THAT John calls you an ANTI-CHRIST because you refuse to give full authority to Jesus of Nazareth.
I didn't think you had A holy spirit which means that you can't read the Word with discernment.
If the ONE God in Heaven made Jesus of Nazareth TO BE both Lord and Christ then Jesus was NOT one of the three members of the God family from all eternity. That repudiates the pagan trinity.
You MUST be a preachercator? I just laugh and laugh and laugh.
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Absolutely False: Is Your Spirit Your Other Person?
April 4 2012, 11:47 PM
Man has a spirit.
You, too, have a spirit. Agree or disagree?
Would you consider your spirit as another person of you?
Here's another concept, actually "truth," for you to consider:
Jesus Christ HAS a spirit:
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SpiritOFGod dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SpiritOFChrist, he is none of his." (Romans 8:9)
"Searching what, or what manner of time the SpiritOFChrist which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow." (I Peter 1:11)
"For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the SpiritOF Jesus Christ." (Philippians 1:19)
Question: Is the SpiritOF Jesus Christ the third person of the Roman Catholic Church's doctrine of the Trinity?
Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit
April 4 2012, 11:12 PM
Brian,
Not so fast.
The "Doctrine of the Trinity," according to you and others, is "basic Christian doctrine"?
I think not.
Study the "history of the Christian Church" [speaking here in general terms]. You will soon discover that the Roman Catholic Church originated the "Doctrine of the Trinity." It is a doctrine inherited and propagated by the Protestant Churches. This doctrine should remind you of another one -- also Roman Catholic -- the doctrine that Jesus needed/needs [a] "Mother"; thus, "the Father, the Son, and the 'Mother of God'" [the Virgin Mary].
The Trinity doctrine has been discussed here before. We don't mind discussing it here again.
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be IN you.
1John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One,
and ye know all things
A holy spirit or
A good conscience, consiousness.
John 14:9 Jesus
saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and
yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth
that Jesus is the Christ?
Which is the same as:
Which
is the same as:
he that
hath seen me hath seen the
Father;
and HOW sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
He is antichrist,
that denieth the
Father
and
the Son.
John
14:10 Believest thou not that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but
the Father that dwelleth IN me, he doeth the works.
1 John
2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son
he
that acknowledgeth the Son
the same
hath not the Father:
hath the Fatheralso
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You may have a point: "this has nothing to do with the doctrine of the trinity." Why? Because the trinity doctrine is NOT FOUND in the Bible.
John clearly explains the relationship between the Father and His Son. In John's account -- "that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me" -- just where was/is the spirit of Jesus Christ?
Now, we know about the spirit of Jesus Christ or the spirit of God in: Philippians 1:9; Romans 8:9; I Peter 1:11. Find out and study these and other passages very carefully.
Donnie: John clearly explains the relationship between the Father and His Son. In John's account -- "that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me" -- just where was/is the spirit of Jesus Christ?
Of the "different in some respects Comforter" Jesus said "I" will come to you. People have made a profession out of disputing the unique authority of "Jesus of Nazareth" and I have never found the "brotherhood" able to stomach quoting the punch line:
John 14:17 Even the Spirit OF truth; whom the world cannot receive,
because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Donnie probably passed "remedial reading, grade 6" since he grasps that "Father-Son" dwells IN the obedient believer AND the obedient believer dwells IN Father-Son. The Holy (wholly) Spirit is not mentioned because Jesus made it clear that I WILL COME TO YOU.
John who named the Comforting Holy Spirit as Jesus Christ the Righteous says that if you DON'T grasp that ONE GOD and One Lord relationship you are an ANTI-CHRIST.
How many God Persons are there? This is final exam:
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus;
The neo Trinitarians originating in Nashville and plaguing everyone means--in my opinion--based on the strong delusion patternism which produces Lying Wonders as in musical and theatrical performance--that those so deceived will never, can never confess their faults.
Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit
April 5 2012, 9:20 PM
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you anotherComforter [parakletos], that he may abide with you for ever;
And if any man sin, we havean advocate [parakletos] with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous
John 14:17 Even the SpiritOFtruth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth
them, he it is thatloveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of
my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar,
John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
and the truth is not in him.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:
1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of Godperfected: hereby we that we are inhim.
and my Father will lovehim, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
1John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Fathers which sent me.
1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
John 14:25 These things have I spokenunto you,
1John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old
commandment which ye had from the beginning.
being yet present with you.
The old commandment is the
word which ye have heard from the beginning.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the HolyGhost , whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
1John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is
true in him and inyou: because the darkness is past, and the true
light now shineth.
The Spirit's Name will be Jesus Christ
1John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. [trap or snare laid for an enemy]
Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit
April 7 2012, 1:24 AM
What's obvious is that you are confusing the Trinity with Tri-theism; but that's understandable coming from a guy whose dates on the Stone-Campbell movement are off by a hundred years or more.
Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit
April 7 2012, 4:07 AM
Brian,
There is no confusion here between trinitarianism and tritheism. There are differences, but there is also commonness in both doctrines. Both teach that there are three separate persons or beings. That is not taught in the Scripture.
We can go for a lengthy discussion of the Trinity doctrine. But we can start with a simple premise -- by properly defining the word, the noun, the common/improper noun called "spirit." Let's expand that a bit to the expression "holy spirit" as it is commonly claimed that the "Holy Spirit of God" refers to the third person in the Trinity doctrine.
Would you be willing to accept the expressions [notice the capitalization for your benefit]:
(1) "the Spirit" and
(2) "the Holy Spirit" and
(3) "the Spirit OF God" and
(4) "the Holy Spirit OF God" and
(5) "the Spirit OF the Lord" and
(6) "the Spirit OF the Father" and
(7) "the Spirit OF Christ" and
(8) "the Spirit OF our God" and
(9) "the Spirit OF life in Christ Jesus"
(10) "the Spirit OF the living God"
(11) "the Spirit OF His Son"
(12) "the Spirit OF Jesus Christ"
(13) "the Spirit OF life from God"
(14) NOTE: The preposition "OF" denotes that from which anything proceeds or possession or ownership or "belonging to"
... are synonymous expressions that are commonly identified by Christendom as referring to the third person in the Trinity doctrine????
So, some of the simple questions for you at this point are as follows:
(1) What is the definition of the word "spirit"?
(2) Is "spirit" a noun -- a proper noun or common noun?
(3) Is the word "holy" a proper noun or an adjective in "holy spirit"?
(4) If Scripture teaches about "the spirit OF the Father" ...
(5) If Scripture teaches about "the spirit OF His Son" ...
(6) Does the Scripture teach about "the spirit OF the Holy Spirit"?
(7) Before we go any further, do you understand the question listed in items (4), (5) and (6)?
(8) In other words, (a) if the Father has a spirit and (b) if the Son has a spirit, (c) why would you say or not say that the Holy Spirit has a spirit?
Finally, in response to your comment about the Movement, truth is not only that the change agents are off but also that the change agents are the ones who are rewriting the history of the Restoration Movement.
Boy, am I glad that at least one other person out there understands that "Holy" is not the first name of a people named Holy Spirit.
If someone tried to separate MY spirit from ME I would probably protect myself. That may be why John said that if you deny the Father - Son relationship you are an ANTI-Christ And as they say, THAT'S a Salvation Issue!
Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit
April 7 2012, 1:34 PM
This raises the question of who or what is "The angel of the Lord". By your reasoning, the angel is the Lord yet context clearly shows that the angel is a separate and different person than the Lord.
Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit
April 7 2012, 3:07 PM
It depends on the definition of the word, along with the preposition "of" that indicates possession.
Both "spirit" and "angel" are nouns and entities. Both "belong to" the Lord. Both can be modified by an adjective, e.g., "holy," etc. On those points, I agree with you.
By definition, the word "spirit" as an entity is not a being. Throughout biblical history, events and occurrences, the word "spirit" has meant: "power," "breath," "wind," "mind," etc. For example: "[3] All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils" (Job 27:3). A "spirit" does not have a gender.
On the other hand, an "angel" is a being, a spiritual being [if that makes you happy]; nonetheless, a being.
Each one of us has a "spirit" -- whether holy or evil. But it doesn't mean that my spirit or your spirit is a separate being.
So, the "spirit OF the Lord" [a.k.a. "the spirit" or "the holy spirit" (which simply means "the spirit that is holy")] is the power or mind of God or Christ -- and is NOT a separate being.
Brian, I appreciate your spirit [pun intended?] of discourse this time. No animosity that I noticed. I agree with you on the related issue of "belongingness" or "possession" as to the use of the preposition "of." But, again, it goes back to the definition or identification of both nouns: (1) "spirit" as an entity meaning "power" or "wind" or "mind" vs. (2) "angel" as an entity that is a being.
Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit
April 7 2012, 6:20 PM
Remember the first premise: God is three persons. This means that the Father is not the Son; they are two distinct persons. It also means that the Father is not the Holy Spirit; they are two distinct persons as well.
The idea that the Holy Spirit is the force of God or the power of God is understandable but flawed because the New Testament says otherwise. There are several verses where the Holy Spirit is put in a coordinate relationship with the Father and the Son (Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2):since the Father and Son are both distinct persons, the coordinate expression strongly intimates that the Holy Spirit is a person also. Then there are places where the masculine pronoun he (Gk. ekeinos) is applied to the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 15:26; 16:13-14), which one would not expect from the rules of Greek grammar, for the word "spirit" (Gk. pneuma) is neuter, not masculine, and would ordinarily be referred to with the neuter pronoun ekeino. Moreover, the name counselor or comforter (Gk. parakletos) is a term commonly used to speak of a person who helps or gives comfort or counsel to another person or persons and is used of the Holy Spirit in John's gospel (14:16, 26; 15:26; 16:7).
Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit
April 7 2012, 7:59 PM
Brian,
I really appreciate you and one of the few times you've shown as being willing to discuss doctrinal differences. You brought up a very usual set of arguments that can be disproved very easily. Let me remind you again that the Trinity doctrine was invented by the Roman Catholic Church -- approved in the Council of Nicea. Doctrinally speaking, there are quite a few of the papal doctrines that the Protestant Churches have propagated. I think you should be one of those intelligent folks who would readily point out that the RCC is dominated by man-made traditions and creeds, not surprisingly, as the Roman government and paganism had so much influence upon what later became the ever-evolving Roman Catholic religion. Even the man-made tradition of the Trinity had its share of influence in various translations of the Bible, especially the New Testament. For example, even my beloved King James Version of 1611 did not escape from such an influence in its rendering of:
(1) the Holy Spirit OF the FATHER (GOD) or
(2) the Holy Spirit OF the SON, CHRIST (GOD) or
(3) [SADLY and ERRONEOUSLY] the Holy Sprit OF the HOLY SPIRIT (also GOD)
----------- oops!!! no. (3) sounds ODD ----------
. . . as being each a PERSON or BEING--clearly a papal influence. That's how you've come across the translation that the Holy Spirit OF GOD is masculine. (Translators have become obligated to identify the spirit of God as a "HE" -- which is a distortion.
Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit
April 8 2012, 2:59 PM
...and how do you handle John 14:26, "But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." The Holy Spirit also prays or "intercedes" for us (Rom. 8:27, indicating a distinction between the Holy Spirit and God the Father to whom intercession is made. This Holy Spirit is a person, not the idea of the power of God.
Jesus promised the spirit OF truth. The Spirit OF Truth was WITH the apostles at the time: Later the spirit OF truth would be in them. Father-Son abides with those who keep Christ's commandments in the same sense that one who keeps God's commandments abides with or IN Father-Son. "IN" here cannot be INSIDE OF but in connection or in community with.
Jesus said I will come to you: and He did at Pentecost and to Paul
Notice that the following are not people: the spirit OF adoption is like the spirit OF anger and neither are persons.
It's hard to break out of erroneous teaching. It is provable that those who write books and their own sermons to replace the work of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles will NEVER, NEVER lay out the whole message of Jesus. Instead they will heap up long connections of verses with no interest in the message in the whole story line.
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It's hard to break out of erroneous teaching. It is provable that those who write books and their own sermons to replace the work of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles will NEVER, NEVER lay out the whole message of Jesus. Instead they will heap up long connections of verses with no interest in the message in the whole story line.
Jesus received the COMMISSION as The Holy Spirit Part D
April 8 2012, 8:03 PM
I am not sure about why "doctors of the law" work so hard to pile up isolated verses when by reading John 12-16 it is absolutely certain. Maybe Jesus was right when He said that doctors of the Law take away the key to knowledge? Maybe that is their mission.
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That's a fact: but I can read writing and would never blaspheme the statements of Jesus Christ who IS no The Holy Spirit. And NO, Jesus doesn't tell the neo-nazis that a "spirit" told them to add instruments or take the confession of CHRIST off their public display.
I've been extremely busy of late. So, be patient with me. Yes, we need to continue our discussion in a much better organized manner. Perhaps a numbered list of items pertaining to the Trinity doctrine will help -- using numbers as points of references. [As of now, e.g., when I post a lengthy article that is comprised of 7 subtopics, and you discuss or disagree with one, I'm unable to tell if you agree with the other six.] So, I'll initiate this process as soon as time allows.
Meanwhile, in response to your above assertion, I need to ask you if you believe that the "doctrine of the Trinity" [3 persons as one God] has been in existence since "in the beginning."
(a) If not, will it be fair to assume that you personally believe that the Trinity is taught in the New Testament but not before this era?
(b) If so, would you prove that the Trinity dogma was taught in the Old Testament and during that era? We need specifics -- explicit references [or even "hints" and implications may be acceptable] that the "Holy Spirit" is the "third" [or "first" or "second"] person in the Trinity.
Yes, I believe that God existed as three persons from eternity. That said, the doctrine is not explicitly stated in the Old Testament writings. What we see, however, when we take the Bible as a whole, is that the doctrine of the Trinity is progressively revealed throughout the period of history recorded in the Bible
With me so far?
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"And God said , Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" - Genesis 1:26
"And the LORD said , Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do : and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do .Go to , let us go down , and there confound their language, that they may not understandone another's speech" - Genesis 11:6,7
God is the UNIVERSAL SPIRIT and is not a "people" having conversation with literal god persons. God does and always has used INSTRUMENTAL MEANS. A person did not HATCH the earth like a brooding chicken. For heavens, sake, the Word is for we DISCIPLES and not for making DOGMA to be used by the ANTI CHRISTS to make money and deliberately sow discord.
Why do you think they ALL blaspheme the SHEMA and thereby deprive the man Jesus Christ of His honor and glory which he now has as the promise (assigned task) as THE HOLY SPIRIT Who in His Spirit form does not ADD to the Words of Jesus Christ revealed through the prophets and apostles.
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if you are already an anti-christ (doing an end run around Jesus Christ to teach beyond the sacred pages) there MAY NOT BE ANY HOPE of grasping something so clear that you need to be a Doctor of the Law to miss ie
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Trinity Not Taught in the Old Testament (and Not in the New Testament)
April 11 2012, 11:09 PM
Statistics from the Old Testament [KJV]:
"spirit" --------------------- = 244 times
"spirit of" ------------------ = 86 times:
spirit of = ...man...princes...Jacob...Pul...Cyrus...Tilgath...Egypt
spirit of = ...knowledge...wisdom...jealousy...judgment...deep sleep
spirit of = ...grace...heaviness...whoredoms
spirit of = ...the gods...the holy gods...the kings...the living creature
spirit of = ...the beast...the ruler
"holy ghost" ----------------- = 0 times
"spirit of God" -------------- = 14 times
"spirit of the Lord" --------- = 26 times
"holy spirit" ---------------- = 3 times
Brian, I knew/know that you believe "that God existed as three persons from eternity." That's why I wanted you to prove it from the Old Testament. However, you were not able to prove it on both counts: (1) explicity and (2) implicitly.
The Old Testament teachings regarding "the spirit of the Lord God" match those from the New Testament [which we are going to study more later on].
The word "spirit" is an improper or a common noun that is not a being nor a separate being from another being. Rather, the word "spirit" or the expression "holy spirit" is an entity that belongs to or in the possession of a living being, in this case: the Father or the Son.
The O.T. expressions:
----- "spirit OF God" (14 times);
----- "spirit of the Lord (26 times);
----- "holy spirit" (3 times) ...
... are used properly and grammatically correctly in both the Old and New Testaments. The preposition "OF" indicates in possession of or as belonging to the Lord God. Please NOTE, Brian, that the expression "holy spirit" in Psalms and Isaiah is used in conjunction with the personal pronoun:
"thy" [the form of the possessive case of the personal pronoun "you"]; therefore: "thy [your] holy spirit"; or
"his" [belonging or pertaining to "him"]; therefore, "his holy spirit."
"Thy holy spirit" simply means the spirit that is holy [the adjective "holy" modifies the common noun "spirit"] and it [the spirit that is holy] belongs to the Lord God -- not to Brian, not to Donnie.
There is no justification for identifying "the spirit" as the Lord God. Listen to these expressions, Brian:
(1) If "the spirit" is God, then, "the spirit of God" would mean "God of God."
(2) If "the spirit" is God, then, "the spirit of the Lord" would mean "God of the Lord."
(3) If "the spirit" is God, then, "the spirit of Jesus Christ" would mean "God of Jesus Christ."
No, I'm not with you so far. There's a lot missing or lacking in your "progressive" [pun intended] history of the Trinity dogma.
Re: Trinity Not Taught in the Old Testament (and Not in the New Testament)
April 12 2012, 2:45 AM
I'm just getting started. Let me rephrase - do you understand my reasoning so far? My intent is to lay this out in small chunks.
If you ask me why I believe something, I'm going to lay it out for you. In return, I expect a fair hearing.
Re: Trinity Not Taught in the Old Testament (and Not in the New Testament)
April 12 2012, 11:46 PM
Brian,
You are getting started alright. So, let's just say then that so far you have delivered only your introduction to the study of your Trinity doctrine? Here's what you said:.
Yes, I believe that God existed as three persons from eternity. That said, the doctrine is not explicitly stated in the Old Testament writings. What we see, however, when we take the Bible as a whole, is that the doctrine of the Trinity is progressively revealed throughout the period of history recorded in the Bible
With me so far?
You're not known to me as someone who explains matters in detail. So, I took your short paragraph as your complete answer. And I did not see any evidence or fact to validate your assertion. Your belief concerning the Trinity is only premise, an assertion, with which I disagree.
You can expect a fair hearing. And if you're just getting started, then, get started with biblical references to the man-made, Catholic-based Trinity creed. I'm purposely dealing with what the Old Testament [at this time], in particular, teaches regarding the Trinity.
We've just GOT to get you a remedial reading class along with all of the "scholars"
Ken Said: Seeing God as three "persons" each with their "centers of consciousness" and each given their own dispensation was invented by H. Leo Boles of David Lipscomb College (LU) and promoted by the Gospel Advocate and therefore the dogma of many churches of Christ.
There is NO classical trinitarian who ever went so far into heresy. The First Nicean Creed spoke the truth:
There is one God
And there is one Lord
And as an after thought "OH, and we believe in the Holy Spirit"
If anyone had mouthed the Nashville Creed I am pretty certain that they would have been burned with dry wood.
Re: Nashville School of Preaching and the Holy Spirit
April 12 2012, 6:22 PM
"And God said , Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" - Genesis 1:26
When Jim says, Let US be going, Jim is not triplets. Jesus warned about parables from the foundation of the world to FOOL the clergy who made up their own songs and sermons (matt 13) SO THAT they didn't have to obey the command, example and inference that Word of Christ is intended to be PREACHED by being READ. The elder in the synagogue STOOD OVER the young reader to make certain that he did not change one word or add "I think" which would be an oxymoron.
Therefore, we FLASHED with no expectation that it will be caught that God uses instrumental means to carry out His will wind (spirit) and fire: those are the two major agents in turning huge mountains into flat plains.
Those just grap lexicons or the list followed by all of the non-thinkers are CERTAIN to use GEnesis 1:26 to prove that the TRINITY was present: In the words of John Mark Hicks "three centers of consciousness" and others "each with their skills and according to Boles ranked 1, 2, 3.
Here are a few more statememts by the Spirit OF Christ who warns about the "lying pen of the Scribes" who keep books for the Jacob-Cursed tribe of Levi.
Never get caught lying by CHRIST who defined the future reign of Messiah in His church both inclusively and exclusively.
Isn't it blasphemy to have the Spirit of Christ make such absolute statements only to leave the "US" word to give theologians the authority to tell Christ that HE did not REALLY know what He was talking about. What He did NOT know is the "ONE GOD" really means THREE PERSONS (people) all united in a friendly sense. They say that Christ was not smart enough to say what He meant.
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Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books,
seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change
so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....
At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to
be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched
through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the
"Community Church Movement"
Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready,
or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the
plans very nature, it had to be secret.
The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was
never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last
15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.
The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the
elders went along unwittingly.
This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell
something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill
in some of the timeline.
To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the
background materials in the first of the book.
This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be
printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our
web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison
Here is the list of players;
5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
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