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"Easter Celebration" at a Divided Congregation

April 10 2012 at 5:04 AM
Donnie Cruz  (Login Donnie.Cruz)
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I wondered but did not question [at first] why the two separate [divided] groups did not have a combined "Easter Worship Service" in 2012. It wasn't obvious until I read the separate "worship" guide for each group and actually witnessed firsthand the almost completely performance-oriented event in the second assembly.

TRADITIONAL Division: [Background: This group is comprised of those that remained despite the turmoil that caused half of the congregation's membership to leave and seek fellowship somewhere else. It remains to be seen if by next generation this group will be no more. Anyway], ... based on the printed guide, what occurred during this assembly period was straightforward -- congregational singing of hymns, Communion, offering; and the message was titled "Empty." I would say that perhaps there was a reminder to the congregants that the commemoration of Christ's suffering and death of Christ is to be observed not just once a year.

CONTEMPORARY Division: [Background: This second assembly period was originally "traditional" also -- actually, both assemblies THEN were "traditional" by today's designation. But this period was eventually hijacked during and after the turmoil ... until the eldership formally announced that the second assembly would be designated for CONTEMPORARY worship.

The "Easter Celebration" consisted primarily of a mini "movie" drama on the screen with a narrator on stage and the ever-ready, well-rehearsed CHOIR [Praise Team] doing most of the "congregational" singing. This is not exactly the order of events, but you should get the picture:

-- Drama on screen with narrator
-- "Celebrate Jesus" [with the Choir]
-- Drama on screen with narrator
-- Female soloist -- ON STAGE
-- APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- Drama on screen with narrator
-- Duet [all-male, Country music-style, I think] -- ON STAGE
-- APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- "Here I Am" [Charismatic style and hand-waving as seen on TV]
-- Drama on screen with narrator
-- Male Quartet [whatever style, perfect performance] -- ON STAGE
-- APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- Male chorus with a lone female singer hand-waving -- ON STAGE
-- APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
-- Whatever else -- performances, performances, performances with
............ Praise Team and the oooo-oooo-ooo, wah-wah-wah in the background
............ exciting comments on stage and APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!!
-- Communion
-- Offering
-- "Alive Forever Amen"
-- Easter is over
-- APPLAUSE!!!!!! !!!!! !!!!!! !!!!!!


Forgive me ... I might have preferred another but more civil performance by a piano artist. I have never witnessed anything like the above at a supposedly church of Christ congregation resembling that of the first century Christians!!!


 
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Dave
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No One Likes A Whiner!

April 10 2012, 6:22 AM 

You ask for forgiveness? Certainly, because Jesus Himself said seventy times seven.

Now quit whining!

 
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Re: No One Likes A Whiner!

April 10 2012, 12:55 PM 

I don't think Donnie was specifically asking for Dave's "forgiveness." That would be like asking Hitler to shave off his mustache. BTW, does Dave have a mustache? happy.gif

Yep, nobody likes a whiner, Dave, so take your own advice and STOP whining about this site.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: No One Likes A Whiner!

April 11 2012, 1:20 AM 

Dave,

It was an exceptional made-for-TV production. Something you would've really enjoyed -- just your kind of thing. (I'm quite surprised you had nothing to say about the production.)

Performance ... performance ... performances!!!

I've never been to a well-rehearsed "worship."

 
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April 22nd

April 13 2012, 10:15 AM 

Dave, I tried to send you an e-mail but for some unknown reason I couldn't send it. Therefore if you see this post I would like to meet you when you vist Madison on the 22nd. We could meet in the mall area after the second service. Let me know if you still plan to attend.

 
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Re: "Easter Celebration" at a Divided Congregation

April 10 2012, 6:26 AM 

"Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves : who was slain ; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered , and brought to nought.After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished ; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed .And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone : for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought :But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." Acts 5:34-39

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: "Easter Celebration" at a Divided Congregation

April 11 2012, 1:09 AM 

Brian,

Excepting the Communion, I could have easily attended and enjoyed a Twila Paris or a Michael W. Smith religious concert production.

There was nothing Pharisaical in exposing the disunity in a divided congregation.

Now it makes sense that the "traditional" group was not invited to a combined assembly which turned out to be a theatrical religious concert.

 
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Ken Sublett
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The self-speakkers, singers and instrument players are hypocrites

April 13 2012, 7:24 PM 

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Ken Sublett
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Easter is Ishtar or Aster

April 10 2012, 11:45 AM 

Remember that Ezekiel defined the speakers, singers and instruments as hypocrites: Jesus applied that to the Scribes and Pharisees. Scribes and Pharisees are "doctors of the law who take away the key to knowledge." They do that by writing their own songs and sermons and make long prayers (hymns) to PREVENT the Word of God from being TAUGHT for our learning.

Israel was turned over to the worship of the starry host (on their way back to Babylon) when they profaned His Rest day by vocal and instrumental music as well as potlucking. Ishtar, Aster, Inanna and the other BABYLONISH "gods and goddessess" were in fact worshipped AT the temple with the Levites performing soothsaying as exorcism.

In Chapter 8 Ezekiel defines the women worshiping Tammuz and the men TURNED THEIR BACK on the temple to hold the BABYLONISH Sun-Rise service. They later recognized this as a fatal error.

Nevertheless, the MARK when people try to perform sorcery (Rev 18) on the people they are ABANDONED and they simply do not have any choice in the manner.

http://www.piney.com/MuTammuz.html

Madison had their Ishtar Tree and the Babylonians had theirs decorated with boar's testicles covered with gold foil. Aren't the hidden MYSTERIES wonderful?

 
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Donnie Cruz
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The Sunday After "Ishtar or Aster"

April 16 2012, 5:47 PM 

JimmyJoe,

I noticed that the "contemporary worship" guide the following Sunday listed this as one of the "praise service" songs: "The Ketchup Song."

I missed that one. What was all that about? Another charismatic motivation or whatever-pleases-the-crowd effort or some unusual attraction or a change-of-pace from worship boredom? I can understand somewhat the sermon by Jason Shepherd being titled "Half Price Reese's Eggs!!" -- as a post-religious [pagan] holiday discount sale concept.

I would say that should the brethren who painfully left during the church upheaval of the past decade return to even visit the congregation they once were a part of and loved, they would not recognize anything else other than the Communion. Even the solemnity of the observance may be in question.



 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: "Easter Celebration" at a Divided Congregation

April 14 2012, 4:34 PM 

Bumped for Dave Fields:

JimmyJoe has posted a message for you (dated: April 13 2012, 10:15 AM). You may need to verify your e-mail address to ensure that his e-mail is delivered to you. I'm thinking that JimmyJoe will be checking this thread often for your response to his post.


 
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Dave
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Try Again

April 16 2012, 4:25 PM 

JimmyJoe,
dfields@clemson.edu

 
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Donnie Cruz
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"The Ketchup Song"

April 20 2012, 2:07 AM 

A few posts above, I mentioned that the "contemporary worship" guide listed "The Ketchup Song" the following Sunday after "Easter."

I've started doing a Google search, and so far I haven't been able to find anything worth repeating here. Perhaps, there is a "praise" version of this song. Can someone give us the correct info?

The Russian Federation showed a considerable challenge to the U.S. on Thursday's page views between the two countries. It was 47% Russia, 53% U.S.

 
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