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Bible and Church History pattern of which no Disciple was ignorant

April 22 2012 at 10:16 PM
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The Demonstrations of Aphrahat A.D. 337 and 345.

§6. Consider and observe, my hearer, that if God had given a hope to Sodom and to her fellows, He would not have overthrown them with fire and brimstone, the sign of the last day of the world, but would have delivered them over to one of the kingdoms to be chastised.

As it is written that when Jeremiah caused the nations and kingdoms to drink the cup of wrath, he said concerning each one of the cities, that after they shall drink the cup, I will turn back the captivity of Elam, of Tyre, of Zidon, of the children of Ammon, and of Moab , and of Edom. Concerning each one of these kingdoms he said:-In the last days I well turn back her captivity.

Now we see that Tyre was inhabited, and was opulent after she had wandered seventy years, and after she had received the reward of her harlotries and after she had committed fornication with all kingdoms.

And she took the harp , and played it sweetly, and multiplied her music .

And also the region of Elam is inhabited and opulent. And with regard to Babylon Jeremiah said:-

Babylon shall fall, and shall not rise. And lo! unto this day does it continue in desolation, and will do so for ever. And also about Jerusalem he said:-

The virgin of Israel shall fall, and shall not rise again. She is forsaken upon the ground and there is none to raise her up. For if the prophecy is true which Jeremiah spoke about Babylon, also that about Jerusalem is true and worthy of faith. And Isaiah said unto Jerusalem:-I will not again be wroth with thee, nor will I reprove thee. Of a truth He will not again be wrath with her, nor will He reprove her for ever; for that which is in desolation He will not reprove, nor will she provoke him to wrath.

§19. Now thus is faith; when a man believes in God the Lord of all, Who made the heavens and the earth and the seas and all that is in them; and He made Adam in His image;
......and He gave the Law to Moses;
......He sent of His Spirit upon the prophets;
......He sent moreover His Christ into the world.

Furthermore that a man should believe in the resurrection of the dead;
......and should furthermore also believe in the sacrament of baptism.

This is the faith of the Church of God.
......And (it is necessary) that a man should separate himself
......from the observance of hours and Sabbaths and moons and seasons,
......and divinations and sorceries and Chaldaean arts and magic,
...... from fornication and from festive music, from vain doctrines,
..........which are instruments of the Evil One,
.......... from the blandishment of honeyed words,
..........from blasphemy and from adultery.

And that a man should not bear false witness, and that a man should not speak with double tongue. These then are the works of the faith which is based on the true Stone which is Christ, on Whom the whole building is reared up.

§20. Furthermore, my beloved, there is much besides in the Holy Books about faith. But these few things out of the much have I written to recall them to thy love that thou mayest know and make known and believe" and also be believed.

And when thou hast read and learned the works of faith,
......thou mayest be made like unto that tilled land upon which the good seed fell,
......and produced fruit a hundred-fold and sixty-fold and thirty-fold.
......And when thou comest to thy Lord,
..........He may call thee a good servant and prudent and faithful,
..........who on account of His faith, that abounded, is to enter into the Kingdom of his Lord.

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The Disciples from the Russian Federation

April 23 2012, 10:04 PM 

This has not happened before. The number of page views from the Russian Federation has more than just surpassed that from the U.S. -- so far today. It is 64% Russia vs. 36% U.S.

What does that tell us? Christians from Russia may have more interest and desire to learn about God's design of His church, the pattern of conversion or the pattern for Christian living.

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Ken Sublett
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Re: The Disciples from the Russian Federation

April 23 2012, 10:53 PM 

It is important that we try to make contact with them: some may be missionaries although our local guy could no longer affort to live over there. Many others have always existed but may have more freedom to assemble.

There is some focused work by the Progressives and it is important to warn people not to get too connected to anything highly organized. Nothing that a Church of Christ does would be a threat to anyone.

They are pretty confirmed in denying the role of baptism and using instrumental music along with a very weak effort at Bible Study.

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Re: The Disciples from the Russian Federation

April 24 2012, 1:01 AM 

Perhaps Americans are a little less interested?

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Re: The Disciples from the Russian Federation

April 24 2012, 1:42 PM 

Thanks for that heart-felt confession.

Most people are called Lambs by Jesus. Recently heard that HALF of the people WANT to believe that everything their preachers says is TRUE.

A Church of Christ does not do WORSHIP in the series of not-commanded songs or sermons enabled by complex singing.
That is why you need to grasp in the words of Paul about the MANY selling themselves as teachers will automatically be FALSE teachers.

Paul DIALOGED until midnight: he did not and never did "make up" a sermon beyond what he had been taught. The ekklesia was open to asking questions and even challenging any personal opionion (doubtful disputations in Romans 14 included anything which came out of the imagination of the STUDENTS or ELDERS as the Christ ordained Pastor-Teacher. A pastor would never lead his sheep to feed by the "sounds of rushing waters" nor would he fabricate something and CALL it grass.

Complex music, in fact, conditions the rational (spiritual) mind so that when sermon time comes the audience is not able to rationally judge a statement. That's why most people cannot tell you much about the made-up sermons 30 minutes after bragging about the sermon.

People have to be CAREFULLY TAUGHT not to care what Scripture says. That's why people who have not been brain-damaged see the Bible as the grandest book every written and can still understand more than a five letter statement. Without the instrumental disabling most people can tell the difference between the good, bad and ugly and do not get a Phd and then tell you that the UGLY is their pattern.

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