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Donnie Cruz
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Re: What god was worshipped by the Jews and Progressives? Part ONE

May 23 2012, 3:16 AM 

"It's quite lively when the 'law of silence' is being discussed by both the progressive/liberal and conservative members of the church, stupid."

LOL!!!!

A-Z, you seem to be behind times. Learn to laugh and appreciate humor in certain expressions such as the one above.

"It is still about the economy, stupid."

Uh-oh!!! I did it again. But be assured that I do not think for half-a-moment that you are stupid.

 
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ken Sublett
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God worshipped by the Jews and the Musical Bandits Part Four

May 22 2012, 5:11 PM 

Any Simple Simon Bible reader would at least confess what the Stephen said and the Jews affirm: the Jews worshiped the Starry Host as well as serpents as we have shown in Ezekiel 8:13 where they worshipped the Babylonian Tamuz and Innana or Ishtar (Easter) and the men BOWED to the rising sun in the east and TURNED their back on the Temple they believed housed God.

Only Sissy Sallys ever worshiped a masculine "god" with any kind of hypocritic arts and crafts: the synagogue was a WORD ONLY Assembly and the Church of Christ is NOT different for anyone capable of reading the CLEAR COMMANDS.

Ovidius Naso, History of Love OUTED in a church near you

(born March 20, 43 bce, Sulmo, Roman Empire [now Sulmona, Italy]died 17 ce

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ken sublett
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Sorry, BriAl: you get no personal preferences.

May 23 2012, 1:05 PM 

Luke illustrates the uses of dialogismos...
But Jesus, aware of their reasonings (dialogismos), answered and said to them, "Why are you reasoning (dialogizomai = verb form) in your hearts? (Luke 5:22) (Comment: In the majority of occurrences of the verb dialogizomai is used for the deliberations of Jesus opponents, Mk 2:6, 8, or the interpersonal deliberations of the disciples, Mk 8:16ff)

But He (Jesus) knew what they (his opponents) were thinking (dialogismos), and He said to the man with the withered hand, "Rise and come forward!" And he rose and came forward. (Luke 6:8)

And an argument (dialogismos) arose among them (the disciples) as to which of them might be the greatest. But Jesus, knowing what they were thinking (dialogismos) in their heart, took a child and stood him by His side (Luke 9:46-47)

And He said to them, "Why are you (disciples at His post-resurrection appearance) troubled, and why do doubts (dialogismos) arise in your hearts? (Luke 24:38) (Here dialogismos denotes unspoken thoughts concerning the truth of what they see, hence questionings, doubts)


Vine notes that dialogismos is...

chiefly in the N.T. in an evil sense, of reasonings that are the outcome of self-will, reasonings of the natural mind in independence of God. So in the LXX (e.g., Lam. 3:60), imaginations....Dialogismos sometimes means inward questioning, sometimes dispute... the inward reasonings which find expression in controversy and contention. (Vine, W. Collected Writings of W. E. Vine. Nashville: Thomas Nelson )

As alluded to above, in the NT, dialogismos is used mainly in an evil sense describing reasoning that is the outcome of self-will. Here it describes reasoning of the natural mind in independence of God. In (see note Romans 1:21) it denotes the false notions about God, entertained in opposition to the facts revealed concerning Him in nature. We see this in Matthew's use...

"For out of the heart come evil thoughts (dialogismos), murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man." (Mt 15:19-20)

 
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Anonymous
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Re: Sorry, BriAl: you get no personal preferences.

May 23 2012, 9:38 PM 

Paul issues a DIREC COMMAND: if you claim that Paul endorses YOU replacing the Will of God knowing that you plan to sow discord and silence the voice of Jesus Christ then God has a prepared place for a prepared. Why call Paul a liar? If musical idolatry was BEYOND REDEMPTION at Mount Sinai, and God turned them over to their old Egyptian /Babylonian worship, why would you defend the PROGRESSIVES who try to TEMPT you to follow their patternism?

1 Cor. 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

If you say that this does NOT outlaw instrumental music on the day dedicated to God then we KNOW for a fact that the "progressives" have been made delusional. If you SPREAD the stock yard spittle all around without knowing that you CANNOT understand because in denying baptism you DO NOT have A holy spirit or A good conscience meaning a Co-perception of the word.

"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

Theodoret (Quasten, Music & Worship, p. 65) claimed that the Jews brought liturgical music from Egypt and Philo wrote that "Moses learned rhythm, harmony, meter and everything concerned with instrumental music from the Egyptians." This is why Moses knew that the noise at Mount Sinai was not the sound of defeat or of victory. Rather, it was the "sound of them singing that I hear."

The Jews sang in the type of the Egyptian threnodies (elegies for the dead):
Thus they made a golden bull, the image of an animal that was held to be the most sacred in that land;
they offered unholy sacrifices, performed impious dances and sang hymns
which differed in no way from the pagan mourning songs. Philo, De specialibus legibus


Jesus threw them out more or less violently

"This reference probably indicates the use of songs from the cult of Osiris... it can hardly be denied that Egyptian influence on Jewish musical practices was quite significant. This would stand to reason because of the high quality of Egyptian cultic music. The tambourine or timbrel, a hoop of bells over which a white skin was stretched, came from Egypt. Miriam used this instrument to accompany the singing and dancing on the shores of the Red Sea (Ex. 15).

That needs no proving: performing musicians say "WATCH JESUS" but they know and all fools know that they are saying "WATCH ME perform my idolatry of talent."

"We know that all of the Israelites brought Egyptian gods and practices with them and it is not far-fetched to think that Miriam, who had not yet been exposed to the Covenant, was part of the consciousness-altering rhythms and which was part of a priestly myth-play brought to destructive consummation at Mount Sinai as the golden calf was called back into action.

This "rising up to play" involved eating, drinking, nakedness and musical worship. The goddess, Hathor, is the best candidate for the Mother Goddess of the Mount Sinai idolatry. Here priestesses or prophetesses were highly trained with musical instruments, cultic songs and be able to join in the religious dance.

"Music and drugs were co-consiprators in religious ecstasy. They may have used some product of the sycamore fig which both intoxicated and induced an altered state of consciousness. The ergo of barley was well known. Anton Marks

"Rising up to Play" was playing instruments in a ritual drama and was mocking Jehovah God as they rejected Him and worshiped Apis. Elsewhere we see that this was seduction, the theme of all ancient worship with music:


THIS IS WHAT DAVID DID: Sorry you missed the first authorized PROPHET:

http://www.piney.com/2.Samuel.6.html

"They sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play. They practiced rites in which they made themselves naked, perhaps similar to those which were carried out by naked Babylonian priests." (Woodrow, p. 158)

This is the EPHOD David wore when He "ROSE UP TO PLAY" while moving the Ark of the Covenant. All neo-pagans just out of Cave Man 101a think that THEY can seduce their gods with music and virtual sex called "worship teams."

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Theodoret (Quasten, Music & Worship, p. 65) claimed that the Jews brought liturgical music from Egypt and Philo wrote that "Moses learned rhythm, harmony, meter and everything concerned with instrumental music from the Egyptians." This is why Moses knew that the noise at Mount Sinai was not the sound of defeat or of victory. Rather, it was the "sound of them singing that I hear."

The Jews sang in the type of the Egyptian threnodies (elegies for the dead):
Thus they made a golden bull, the image of an animal that was held to be the most sacred in that land;
they offered unholy sacrifices, performed impious dances and sang hymns
which differed in no way from the pagan mourning songs. Philo, De specialibus legibus


[Jesus threw them out more or less violently]

"This reference probably indicates the use of songs from the cult of Osiris... it can hardly be denied that Egyptian influence on Jewish musical practices was quite significant. This would stand to reason because of the high quality of Egyptian cultic music. The tambourine or timbrel, a hoop of bells over which a white skin was stretched, came from Egypt. Miriam used this instrument to accompany the singing and dancing on the shores of the Red Sea (Ex. 15).

That needs no proving: performing musicians say "WATCH JESUS" but they know and all fools know that they are saying "WATCH ME perform my idolatry of talent."

See that Al Maxey thinks that this ESCAPE from the males by Miriam is a PATTERNISM for female worship ministers playing instruments.

http://www.piney.com/Maxey.Miriam.html

"In the New Testament there is nowhere any emphasis laid on the musical form of the hymns; and in particular none on instrumental accompaniment whereas this is significantly paganism." (Delling, Gerhard, Worship in the New Testament, trans. Percy Scott Phil. Westminster press, 1962, p. 86).

If you ARE a superstitious PAGAN then CONFESS IT.
The MARK is that baptized believers having received A holy spirit can read the word SPEAK and not have Satan translate it as SANG. Isn't that the wildest exactly reproduction of the FALL FROM GRACE at the Red Sea and at Mount Sinai?


    
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Ken Sublett
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Re: What god was worshipped by the Jews and Progressives? Part ONE

May 24 2012, 12:57 PM 

All of the "progressives" build on the foundation of the Law of Moses. Even though Christ said that God DID NOT command sacrifices or burnt offerings, they say that the accompanying instrumental "noise" is "a" spirit telling them that God commands "instrumental praise" in MY congregation.

When the Israelites refused to hear The Book of The Covenant of Grace, they fell into musical idolatry.
As a result God gave them The Book of The Law and sentenced them to captivity and death in Assyria and Babylon
He gave the Levites to EXECUTE 3,000 instrumental idolaters: The COMMAND was to use instruments to warn people that they would be executed if they came near the Jacob-Cursed Levites or had ANYTHING to do with their assemblies. Moses proves that Israel (Jews) had been abandoned to Sabazianism or the OLD New Wineskins gods. Leaders of small groups as small as ten persons were to be gathered (Church of Christ) for instruction only: vocal or instrumental rejoicing was outlawed because this would be a MARK of people who had despised the Word and had been consigned to the Babylon mother of Harlots (Rev 17) who used "lusted after fruits" as rhetoricians, singers, instrument players, religious teknokrats and the Brides-Bridegroom-Grinders would identify the MUSES and GRACES as sacred prostitutes.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee
..... a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren,
.....like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,
.....and will put my words in his mouth;
.....and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deuteronomy 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,

Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed
.....by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,
.....when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ,
.....which before was preached unto you:
Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things,
.....which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers,
..... A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren,
.....like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass,
.....that every soul, which will not hear that prophet,
.....shall be destroyed from among the people.

.....Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
.....and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after,
.....as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets,
.....and of the covenant which God made with our fathers,
.....saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

.........Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant,
.............that was confirmed before of God in Christ,
.............the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after,
.............cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
.........Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
.........Galatians 3:27 For [what I mean is]
.............as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
.........Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free,
.............there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
.........Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christs, then are ye Abrahams seed,
.............and heirs according to the promise.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God,
.....having raised up his Son Jesus,
.....sent him to bless you, in turning [Converting] away every one of you from his iniquities.

Christ prophesied and Jesus repeated that the ONLY way He will remit sins or save is by baptism as obedience to a direct command.

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Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel,
.....A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren,
.....like unto me; him shall ye hear.

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness
.....with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina,
.....and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Acts 7:39 To whom our fathers would not obey,
.....but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,

Acts 7:40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us:
.....for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt,
.....we wot not what is become of him.
Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
.....and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
.....and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Euphrain , Ep. euphr-, fut. Att.155.12, Pi.I.7(6).3
Pind. I. 6 Just as we mix the second bowl of wine when the men's symposium is flourishing, here is the second song of the Muses for Lampon's children and their athletic victories: first in Nemea, Zeus, in your honor they received the choicest of garlands,

Christ in all of the prophets DENY those who claim that the Law of the Monarchy gives THEM the power to impose THEIR OPINION on other people:

> For I spake NOT unto your fathers, nor commanded them
..... in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
..... concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jeremiah 7:22

> But this thing commanded I them, saying,
.....Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people:
.....and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you,
.....that it may be well unto you. Jeremiah 7:23
> But they HEARKENED NOT, nor inclined their ear,
..... but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart,
.....and went backward,

 
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Re: What god was worshipped by the Jews and Progressives? Part ONE

May 24 2012, 1:18 PM 

Not responsive: not awake.


    
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Re: What god was worshipped by the Jews and Progressives? Part ONE

May 24 2012, 6:19 PM 

Spiritual violence and not responsive.


    
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ALL DISCIPLES understand God's rejection of the Jews.

May 24 2012, 10:08 PM 

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