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john watson smith
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progressive rationale examined further

May 26 2012, 1:27 PM 

The initial negative thoughts expressed about this site deserve additional consideration. The church of Christ I grew up in was strong in doctrinal orientation and had much depth to its Bible studies and policy. The progressives want to change that to be entertainment and "felt needs" oriented. Now we have weak doctrinal orientation and shallow Bible studies. We have exchanged strict concepts and absolute principles for pop psychology and huge voids in moral training. The future does not seem well for the young of the church who have been brought up on this swill. This is the legacy of the progressive post modern "experts" among us not the conservative "knuckle heads" who express there views here.

This is not a childish or judgmental attitude. Its one of a pattern of church functions that worked well for the times and place it was executed. It will still work and will always work in any culture or time because it is the truth.

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William Hall
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What do we do about it

July 4 2012, 2:17 AM 

I have recently discussed this with Mr. Cruz. I see people complain about how older Christians seem to "yearn" for the church of the '50s and '60s. Those were times when we had a clear identity and a sense of purpose. That identity and purpose was fostered and strengthened by Sunday School and Wednesday night Bible study, which is what it really was on Wednesday night. In addition, we were often taught something about the heresies and their timelines. We had what seemed to me to be gruff and stern elders that insisted that we learned, although as young people we always were trying to push buttons.

Now Sunday School often lacks much purpose. No more about God's grace is taught than dogma and doctrine. I have concluded that we missed a generation or two, and that we have a percentage of the eldership that is not committed to the uniqueness of our brotherhood. That is not entirely true, of course, and I could name some that went through the same curriculum as I but who have given up.

We should have a watchful eye now for our future leaders, I think, else we will disappear in a few short generations.

 
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